Weight Loss Problems

[turvell]

This is my overall goal to become not type 2 I think I can do it


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[pavlosn]

Do you want to become not type 2 or do you want not to become type 2?


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[carraway]

Interesting thread guys. I wish I had taken measurements when I started to lose weight.
Since I tried to wear things with elastic I have no idea what size I really was to start with.

I have notice that my weight loss has slowed and it is harder to keep the motivation when the numbers fall slowly
I think it's looking at the bigger long term picture.

 

[turvell]

I want to become not type 2 I have it so they tell me


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[Daibell]

Hi. You have had an awful lot of good advice today and I'm going to add my little bit. You are still having quite a bit of carb although I can see you are trying to make it low-GI. Is the yoghurt no-added sugar as well as low fat? Do read the label. Have you set yourself a daily carb limit? Go for something like 150gm/day as an initial target and adjust as needed. Do have fat and protein as part of the daily diet but as others have said it's not calories that matter but the carbs; calories are not all equal.

 

[pavlosn]

Dear Turvell

Even before you stated yourself that you aim to become "not type 2", that is exactly the feeling I got by reading your previous posts - here is someone responding to a diabetes diagnosis by taking drastic action to try and reverse it. I do not think that there is anyone on this forum that does not understand this reaction or that does not share this ambition.

And, as it happens, what you are doing, exercising, watching what you eat and trying to lose weight, happens to be what you need to do to control your diabetes.

Conventional wisdom however, states that provided your original diabetes diagnosis was correct, then diabetes is not reversible. I hope you prove this wrong and indeed become "not type 2".

My concern is about what your reaction will be to the possible/probable even disappointment of not reversing your diabetes. Will you stick to the healthy lifestyle changes you have now adopted or will you react by abandoning them as not worth the sacrifice given that they failed you in not effecting the hoped for cure.

I do not want to stop you from pursuing your dream. We all need to dream. I just want you to be mentally prepared if the dream does not come true.

I could be wrong but I get the feeling that you are adopting somewhat extreme short term measures ( three training session a day while considering reducing carbs to ever lower quantities despite experiencing blood sugar levels as low as 2.8 mmol/l)

If (or when) you are convinced that your diabetes is here to stay, it is important to decide for yourself what exercise levels and what diet you can adopt and stick with for the rest of your life. So make the choices that work for you, that keep your levels in control but that you enjoy enough to stick with for the long run.

I understand that you are a runner but diabetes is not a race, there is no finishing line and the person who gets the lowest blood sugar levels or has the lowest carbs is not the winner. There is only one real goal and that is to stay alive and free of complications for as long as possible.

So by all means pursue your dream, I would love for you to realize it (not least because I could then follow your example ), but please do not be disheartened if in the end there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Pavlos



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[luceeloo]

Dear Turvell

Even before you stated yourself that you aim to become "not type 2", that is exactly the feeling I got by reading your previous posts - here is someone responding to a diabetes diagnosis by taking drastic action to try and reverse it. I do not think that there is anyone on this forum that does not understand this reaction or that does not share this ambition.

And, as it happens, what you are doing, exercising, watching what you eat and trying to lose weight, happens to be what you need to do to control your diabetes.

Conventional wisdom however, states that provided your original diabetes diagnosis was correct, then diabetes is not reversible. I hope you prove this wrong and indeed become "not type 2".

My concern is about what your reaction will be to the possible/probable even disappointment of not reversing your diabetes. Will you stick to the healthy lifestyle changes you have now adopted or will you react by abandoning them as not worth the sacrifice given that they failed you in not effecting the hoped for cure.

I do not want to stop you from pursuing your dream. We all need to dream. I just want you to be mentally prepared if the dream does not come true.

I could be wrong but I get the feeling that you are adopting somewhat extreme short term measures ( three training session a day while considering reducing carbs to ever lower quantities despite experiencing blood sugar levels as low as 2.8 mmol/l)

If (or when) you are convinced that your diabetes is here to stay, it is important to decide for yourself what exercise levels and what diet you can adopt and stick with for the rest of your life. So make the choices that work for you, that keep your levels in control but that you enjoy enough to stick with for the long run.

I understand that you are a runner but diabetes is not a race, there is no finishing line and the person who gets the lowest blood sugar levels or has the lowest carbs is not the winner. There is only one real goal and that is to stay alive and free of complications for as long as possible.

So by all means pursue your dream, I would love for you to realize it (not least because I could then follow your example ), but please do not be disheartened if in the end there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Pavlos



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I think that this is a very important message! You make some excellent points.
It's really easy for us to self-blame for being Type 2, and the whole idea of reversing diabetes seems to be what we are currently spoonfed by the media. Every week there seems to be another story in another newspaper about how this person REVERSED diabetes by stopping gorging on cakes and biscuits, and losing lots of weight. But it's never actually reversed, it's just improved to the extent that it can be managed with a healthy diet.
For those of us that have weight to lose there's always that thought at the back of our minds that maybe, just maybe, we did this to ourselves. We ate ourselves into some kind of hyperglycemic oblivion and by dropping some weight, we can cure our diabetes.
I'm guilty of it. I get frustrated when the scale is not moving, because that must mean that I'm being a rubbish diabetic and therefore getting more diabetic with each moment that passes. (Illogical, I know). The trouble is, we live in a fat-shaming culture, and T2's are always going to suffer from the horrendous social stigma that comes along with it.

 

[cath99]

i was going to say the same as u may be losing inches rather than weight t the minute

 

[carraway]

I can eat things now I am fitter and thinner and get a lower blood sugar score than before, which isn't exactly a reversal but possibly on the way.

If I watch what I eat my sugars stay in non diabetic levels.

Possibly if I took the test today I'd be fine....possibly

Cara

 

[Andy12345]

Dear Turvell

Even before you stated yourself that you aim to become "not type 2", that is exactly the feeling I got by reading your previous posts - here is someone responding to a diabetes diagnosis by taking drastic action to try and reverse it. I do not think that there is anyone on this forum that does not understand this reaction or that does not share this ambition.

And, as it happens, what you are doing, exercising, watching what you eat and trying to lose weight, happens to be what you need to do to control your diabetes.

Conventional wisdom however, states that provided your original diabetes diagnosis was correct, then diabetes is not reversible. I hope you prove this wrong and indeed become "not type 2".

My concern is about what your reaction will be to the possible/probable even disappointment of not reversing your diabetes. Will you stick to the healthy lifestyle changes you have now adopted or will you react by abandoning them as not worth the sacrifice given that they failed you in not effecting the hoped for cure.

I do not want to stop you from pursuing your dream. We all need to dream. I just want you to be mentally prepared if the dream does not come true.

I could be wrong but I get the feeling that you are adopting somewhat extreme short term measures ( three training session a day while considering reducing carbs to ever lower quantities despite experiencing blood sugar levels as low as 2.8 mmol/l)

If (or when) you are convinced that your diabetes is here to stay, it is important to decide for yourself what exercise levels and what diet you can adopt and stick with for the rest of your life. So make the choices that work for you, that keep your levels in control but that you enjoy enough to stick with for the long run.

I understand that you are a runner but diabetes is not a race, there is no finishing line and the person who gets the lowest blood sugar levels or has the lowest carbs is not the winner. There is only one real goal and that is to stay alive and free of complications for as long as possible.

So by all means pursue your dream, I would love for you to realize it (not least because I could then follow your example ), but please do not be disheartened if in the end there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Pavlos



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wonderful post

 

[Totto]

I think that this is a very important message! You make some excellent points.
It's really easy for us to self-blame for being Type 2, and the whole idea of reversing diabetes seems to be what we are currently spoonfed by the media. Every week there seems to be another story in another newspaper about how this person REVERSED diabetes by stopping gorging on cakes and biscuits, and losing lots of weight. But it's never actually reversed, it's just improved to the extent that it can be managed with a healthy diet.
For those of us that have weight to lose there's always that thought at the back of our minds that maybe, just maybe, we did this to ourselves. We ate ourselves into some kind of hyperglycemic oblivion and by dropping some weight, we can cure our diabetes.
I'm guilty of it. I get frustrated when the scale is not moving, because that must mean that I'm being a rubbish diabetic and therefore getting more diabetic with each moment that passes. (Illogical, I know). The trouble is, we live in a fat-shaming culture, and T2's are always going to suffer from the horrendous social stigma that comes along with it.

I agree. The blame is with those who said we should avoid fat, and with the food industry that started to make low-fat products with added sugars and starch. You only followed the advice!
I have lost 3 st on a high fat diet and love it. It is the low-fat advice that is rubbish.

 

[douglas99]

I agree. The blame is with those who said we should avoid fat, and with the food industry that started to make low-fat products with added sugars and starch. You only followed the advice!
I have lost 3 st on a high fat diet and love it. It is the low-fat advice that is rubbish.

Must be rubbish?
Only high fat can make you lose weight?
So you mean I couldn't have lost the 4 stone I did on a low fat diet then, and it must be piling on even now as I'm still on a low fat diet?
And every other poster on this forum who doesn't high fat is speaking rubbish?
Interesting take on the rest of us out here.

 

[Joe Sweatthang]

Muscle weighs more than fat. Your weight may be the same but your ratio of fat to muscle may have changed. Do you notice any change in measurements such as waist size etc?


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Paviosn beat me to this response. As long as the fat is being lost (around your organs) you'll still be on a good track.

 

[paul-1976]

Must be rubbish?
Only high fat can make you lose weight?
So you mean I couldn't have lost the 4 stone I did on a low fat diet then, and it must be piling on even now as I'm still on a low fat diet?
And every other poster on this forum who doesn't high fat is speaking rubbish?
Interesting take on the rest of us out here.

To be fair though-it wasn't simply a low fat diet that you lost weight on-it was a severely calorie restricted diet for a man of 800-1200 calories a day wasn't it if I remember correctly-of course anyone would lose weight on so little calories-difference is on LCHF,you can lose a similar amount without feeling hungry on sometimes twice as many calories-I need 3000 calories a day to maintain,on 2500 I lose weight.

 

[Andy12345]

also a huge reduction in carbs, we ate very similarly if i remember apart from the fat

 

[Totto]

Must be rubbish?
Only high fat can make you lose weight?
So you mean I couldn't have lost the 4 stone I did on a low fat diet then, and it must be piling on even now as I'm still on a low fat diet?
And every other poster on this forum who doesn't high fat is speaking rubbish?
Interesting take on the rest of us out here.

I don't blame you for the diabetes epidemic, no. By the way, were you ever hungry while you lost 4stone?

the thing with a highfat is that you get hungry and then you eat. Then you stop eating.

No, Douglas,of course you can loose weight through calorie restriction but why bother? I and many other envy you your strong character. I am only human and am thus ruled by my hormones. High fat is so much easier and probably better for health in the long run as well.

If it works for you, fine. But why do it low fat? I really don't get it.

 

[douglas99]

I don't blame you for the diabetes epidemic, no. By the way, were you ever hungry while you lost 4stone?

the thing with a highfat is that you get hungry and then you eat. Then you stop eating.

No, Douglas,of course you can loose weight through calorie restriction but why bother? I and many other envy you your strong character. I am only human and am thus ruled by my hormones. High fat is so much easier and probably better for health in the long run as well.

If it works for you, fine. But why do it low fat? I really don't get it.

"vegetable soup with at least 50 grams of fat of some kind, olive oil for example, or butter, or both"

To be fair, I really can't understand the need to swop the addiction for carbs simply to one of fat.
Both in excessive quantities aren't normal.
You said you need to put at least 50g of fat, extra, into vegetable soup, I have to be honest, the need for that high a fat isn't where I want to go instead. That's about 10+ spoons of oil, or a quarter of a cup of butter.

I'm fine on a normal, balanced diet, and no, I don't feel hungry.
I really don't need 400 unnecessary calories added to a bowl of soup, just to stop me feeling peckish later.
If that's what you need to do, that's fine as well, but those that don't aren't just talking rubbish.

" It is the low-fat advice that is rubbish"

 

[Totto]

"vegetable soup with at least 50 grams of fat of some kind, olive oil for example, or butter, or both"

To be fair, I really can't understand the need to swop the addiction for carbs simply to one of fat.
Both in excessive quantities aren't normal.
You said you need to put at least 50g of fat, extra, into vegetable soup, I have to be honest, the need for that high a fat isn't where I want to go instead. That's about 10+ spoons of oil, or a quarter of a cup of butter.

I'm fine on a normal, balanced diet, and no, I don't feel hungry.
I really don't need 400 unnecessary calories added to a bowl of soup, just to stop me feeling peckish later.
If that's what you need to do, that's fine as well, but those that don't aren't just talking rubbish.

" It is the low-fat advice that is rubbish"

No I can see you are not addicted to nourishment - sorry Douglas, but basically we need energy. I choose nourishment from good quality fats as that is what I need. I don't need high protein. I most certainly don't need carbs.. What is left is fat. I am a slim woman of 51. I know I will get older but I want control bg, so low carb. High fat is a way for me to stay healthy and after reading a lot I really haven't found any reasons for not doing high fat, quite the contrary. I go high fat, you go your way and merry may it be.

 

[douglas99]

No I can see you are not addicted to nourishment - sorry Douglas, but basically we need energy. I choose nourishment from good quality fats as that is what I need. I don't need high protein. I most certainly don't need carbs.. What is left is fat. I am a slim woman of 51. I know I will get older but I want control bg, so low carb. High fat is a way for me to stay healthy and after reading a lot I really haven't found any reasons for not doing high fat, quite the contrary. I go high fat, you go your way and merry may it be.

I quite agree, so as you now say, we'll all stick to the diet that works for us as individuals on this forum, without the need to have to justify our choices by simply saying all the other posters on this forum that don't high fat are "speaking rubbish", or feel the need to push every one else into switching from being addicted to carbs to being addicted to fats, (oh, sorry, addicted to "nourishment")

 

[Totto]

I quite agree, so as you now say, we'll all stick to the diet that works for us as individuals on this forum, without the need to have to justify our choices by simply saying all the other posters on this forum that don't high fat are "speaking rubbish", or feel the need to push every one else into switching from being addicted to carbs to being addicted to fats, (oh, sorry, addicted to "nourishment")

A bit prickly aren't we now? Cool down Douglas, Who said anything else? Even if you are the one exception I think you are all right! But not everybody has your stamina so stop it and let us help new, very sick people who has got very wrong advice. You wanting to cut my throat wont help them.