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[Pipp]

I think it's about getting enough fat to keep you full and off the carb snack wagon. Tonight I had a large salad with a sirloin steak and mushrooms and onions. I used an olive oil dressing and added a bit of diced Emmental to the leaves and that filled me up nicely without being too fattening or going overboard on the fats. Nuts are ok, but a handful is surprisingly high in calories and seems like nothing, so I've only had them when I've been out and needed a post walk snack. It is a juggling act but one that pays enormous rewards when we get it right. I only wish I'd paid as much attention to my eating, other than shovelling it in, before now.

I know nuts = danger for me.
You are doing well now cold ethyl, so forget what is past, enjoy the present, and look forward to the future.
Dinner sounds delicious.

 

[Pipp]

I go low carb and enough fat to make me feel well while still losing weight. Have been holding weight for a while now as I don't want my skin to go baggy(That may be an old wives tale.) Will start trying to loose more when we get back from holiday in 2 weeks.

I think the best way is to lose some, then stay that weight for a while, then go on to lose some more.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Pipp..
Yes, a huge black labrador sat on my lap!!

I know from my own experience that I was not having enough fat... This then contributed to having bowel problem and it certainly helped my leg pain... However, I still think I'm
Not having enough fat n protein and thats why I stay so **** muscly....

No not type 2 or trying to lose weight, the opposite almost!!! I do sympathise, but thats why I say high fat may not be right, but perhaps more fat (not in a gallon drum!) as high fat will not suit everyone..


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Thanks DD. I notice you are T1 and not overweight. So maybe the higher fat low carb is best for you. I don't know anything about T1, but as T2, obese, but bg controlled, I have to lose a lot of weight to make sure I keep blood glucose in safe levels.
It can be difficult finding the right combination of food, exercise medication etc to suit each individual. I find the info and opinions on here so helpful.
Best wishes
Pipp

I like your avatar pic too. Is that a labrador?

Its her boyfr

Pipp..
Yes, a huge black labrador sat on my lap!!

I know from my own experience that I was not having enough fat... This then contributed to having bowel problem and it certainly helped my leg pain... However, I still think I'm
Not having enough fat n protein and thats why I stay so **** muscly....

No not type 2 or trying to lose weight, the opposite almost!!! I do sympathise, but thats why I say high fat may not be right, but perhaps more fat (not in a gallon drum!) as high fat will not suit everyone..


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I am also very muscly. My muscles wobble a bit though.

 

[Pipp]

Its her boyfr

I am also very muscly. My muscles wobble a bit though.

I live in hope of finding my muscles again one day.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Its her boyfr

I am also very muscly. My muscles wobble a bit though.

I didn't think I inferred male or female?? Sorry...


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I didn't think I inferred male or female?? Sorry...


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OOps deleted that when I thought about it. Still came up for some reason. Sorry.

 

[Pipp]

OOps deleted that when I thought about it. Still came up for some reason. Sorry.

I was pretending not to notice.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Its her boyfr

I am also very muscly. My muscles wobble a bit though.

I didn't think I inferred male or female?? Sorry...



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Think Im in trouble.

 

[donnellysdogs]

For repetition??


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For repetition??


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[RosieLKH]

Nuts...and pumpkin seeds - they've been my downfall this week. It's just too easy to have another handful, and yes, so many calories for so little
I'm going to have to knock them on the head.

I'm also concerned about the increase in processed pork products. I've been having some sort of bacon, ham, salami or Polish sausage on a daily basis.

On the other hand, while I'm not doing high fat, I've not deliberately cut back on olive oil or butter, but I have been measuring and recording it. Not I'm not having bread I'm really not getting through anywhere near as much butter as I used to (I'd never have marg).

So, you can see I'm still learning!

 

[this is too difficult]

Don't worry about calories unduly. Carbohydrates seem to be our enemy.

 

[AdamAdam]

There is nothing healthy about fruit! Its loaded with fructose and will destroy your liver. Keep to the vegetables except potato, sweetcorn, carrots

 

[Pipp]

Nuts...and pumpkin seeds - they've been my downfall this week. It's just too easy to have another handful, and yes, so many calories for so little
I'm going to have to knock them on the head.

I'm also concerned about the increase in processed pork products. I've been having some sort of bacon, ham, salami or Polish sausage on a daily basis.

On the other hand, while I'm not doing high fat, I've not deliberately cut back on olive oil or butter, but I have been measuring and recording it. Not I'm not having bread I'm really not getting through anywhere near as much butter as I used to (I'd never have marg).

So, you can see I'm still learning!

I knew nuts and seeds have lots of calories, but I took dietdoctor.com advice a bit too literally, 'eat all you like'. Then when I had another look it said 'in moderation'. Moderation was not all I liked though. I have learned my lesson now.
I can't cope with the processed meats on a regular basis. Not having butter much because not having bread, I think margarine is disgusting.. Would like to eat as much as I want of cheese, but think that would be a lot of cheese, so will only have small amount in the house. Cream is too rich for me, but will try to have some. Maybe make ice cream with berries.
I am still learning too.

 

[Pipp]

There is nothing healthy about fruit! Its loaded with fructose and will destroy your liver. Keep to the vegetables except potato, sweetcorn, carrots

Can you explain a bit more please?

 

[phoenix]

There is nothing healthy about fruit! Its loaded with fructose and will destroy your liver

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If it were true, it's rather strange that those who eat more fruit are likely to be of lower weight and healthier than others.
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Studies on fructose overfeeding have been just that, very large amounts of fructose eaten in a most unnatural way. ( ie one such study used 1.5g/per kilo a day for a week and the men developed a bit more liver fat. That means they fed a 75kg man with 112g of fructose every day for a week . The dose makes the poison.
Apples contain more fructose than most other fresh fruits. An apple weighing 150 g contains only 11g of fructose but lots of other potential health benefits
I somehow doubt many people put on weight or developed fatty liver from including normal quantities of whole apples, pears or strawberries as part of their normal diet
Even Dr Lustig has no problem with whole fruits.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/...-for-eating-fruit/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Others will tell you to test various fruits since some have greater effects on glucose levels than others. Most people report few problems with berries (though they aren't necessarily the lowest in glucose/sucrose content.)
sugar content of fruits: http://thepaleodiet.com/fruits-and-sugars/

 

[staying positive]

Hi Ally, I agree with Brunneria, if you are so thirsty your bg is probably high, do you test before and 2 hours after eating? Some fruit is very high in carbohydrates, if I ate your menu my bg would be sky high. I know it sounds strange, but I started out on a Low carb/high fat LCHF diet (advice taken from members on this forum) and lost 2 stone in 3 months, I never feel hungry and have much more energy and feel much better in myself.

The lower carb bread that Zand mentioned is Livlife which is half the carbs of normal bread and you can buy it in Waitrose or Morrisons. Some people also eat Burgen Bread which is about 11g carbs per slice. Also, it might be worth investing in a book called Carbs & Cals, which you can buy from Amazon, it is the UK No 1 Best selling book for Diabetes and shows you portion size with carbs, cals, protein, fat fibre and saturated fats, I have found this really useful.

The other thing that has helped me tremendously is http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ I keep a food diary on there and it works out everything for you, it is totally free you just log on with your e-mail address.

Hope this has helped.

Marilyn x

i don,t have a debit or credit card so can,t buy anything from the internet
my mum won,t use her card to order for me as shes scared

if you are worried about running up bills or have other problems get a prepaid credit card and you will never owe money .Amazon should accept this. Its called quidity

 

[staying positive]

Aside from the carbs, 4 slices of bread is quite a whack of calories, especially when filled with cheese or buttered. It is worth bearing in mind that no matter what diet you embark on, some brake on food intake is necessary, though many find on the LCHF diet that this happens naturally with a return to more " normal" eating levels without the drive to eat that carbs raises in many of us. If you can't drop it all at once, then consider an open sandwich at lunch with just one slice of something like a Burgen bread piled high with salad leaves and the like, then some ham or tuna and a drizzle of homemade french dressing. Breakfast I would try and ditch bread altogether and have bacon and a poached egg if time allows, or some berries and greek yogurt. It is worth keeping an eye on the fats you add to food imho- although the LCHF advocates no restriction on the likes of cream and butter etc, they are highly calorific and if you have cholesterol issues other LC proponents suggest scaling back on these and using olive oil and not adding the likes of coconut oil and butter to coffee as in the bulletproof coffee. Similarly, fruit is not that healthy and is best thought of as an occasional treat , chosen with an eye on the meter readings. The book Carbs and Cals as mentioned is very useful for seeing what you get for your carb dollar and calorie buck. Although the five a day and now 7 a day advice includes fruit, a friend of mine knew someone involved in its formulation and actually it should be nearer 10 a day, but only one or two should be fruit, but this was deemed unlikely to be taken on board. I would suggest that you get that book or the app then get used to filling plate with a variety of low carb veg or salad alongside whatever main dish you have and drinking plenty of water as this helps weight loss and often we are thirsty and not hungry.

I would suggest tracking your food (and drinks) intake. It will begin to show you why you may not be losing weight, or gaining it, in your case. Do I recall you saying you use an iPad, or other tablet? myfitnesspal is available as an app (free) , and once you have been using it a few days, it takes moments to keep it up to date, on a daily basis. By truthfully entering your foods, the app records them, but also adds in the carb and calorie details for each item. (You do need to sense check the data, as some of it is added by users who may be guessing.). When you have a few days data, it will probably become clear where changes need to happen, if you are serious about improving your general health, and diabetes in particular. As @Mazzer suggests, it is also available on the PC, and smart phones.

I'm not suggesting you adopt the Newcastle Diet, unless you honestly felt it was right for you and you could get support from your GP, but Professor Taylor's web pages give great information on how the diet works, and alternative ways of achieving similar results - even "just" reducing calories. I say just reducing calories, as opposed to meal replacement shakes, which patently aren't for everyone. Personally, I thought this brief paper here provides a great summary, including the recommendations for on-going eating, after weight loss: http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/documents/Diabetes-Reversaloftype2study.pdf

That the paper suggests that after losing weight it is important to long term eat around 2/3rd of the amount you used to eat.

The site I've taken that paper from is here: http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm

Ive read the Newcastle Report and Richard Doubtys article and they make a lot of sense though im not sure that the 800 cal a day diet would allow a person to take any serious exercise -would you have the energy to use up say 600 cals a day eating so little? My comments about sustaining weight loss after losing 16% bodyweight would be that we cant ever go back to carbs as maybe before as especially have to be careful about bread which as sold in supermarkets is not wholemeal but mainly white flour misadvertised as SUSTAIN has now shown.