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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

So keen to have a voice and be listened to that they didn't realise what they were asking for? All the info was out there and particularly on this forum on the In/Out thread. No rhetoric just common sense replies full of facts, not opinions from @tim2000s in particular, but from others too.

Still gutted. Leave is what they voted for. Leave is what should happen.
 
Much, if not most, of the 'Out' campaign was to do with personal agendas. Boris has now bottled it, having realised what becoming Tory leader would have meant for him and to have fallen into the trap laid by David Cameron. It shows the measure of the man that he has kept very quiet since the result became known. People have spoken of MPs 'falling on their swords' - will Boris consider doing likewise I wonder?
 
Facebook, Twitter, speaking to wavering voters (well I did anyway). Lots of information out there as you say.
 
Can I just ask. Does every remain honestly believe that their politician/pm represents them?
I think I finally see why voters don't see eye to eye.
There are those who were happy with the direction of Britain in the EU.
And those who saw the vote as a chance of a better britain. (Whatever, that means to them).
Isn't that life.
People like the same and others who like change for a chance of improvement?

But I'm confused as most remainers are not poor and qualified to stay, doing the same. (Apparently)
I guess again that's a true prospective of life.
Educators and students. Rooky students consist of young minds who question things and young minds who just accept old text literature and accept it to be the 100% accurate.
I'm a student of life. I don't just accept what a few people have agreed on and put it in writing. It takes life experience for me to stand up and listen, fully.
One medical professor messed up my expensive and emotional IVF programme when I was in my 20s. So you can see out of experience a professional can sometimes get it wrong or make a mistake. They are human. Their life experience is needed to make the correct decision.
I feel I have plenty of that, of which I used to make my decision.
Wisdom cannot be found in a book. It isn't transferrable or inherited nor bought.
 
ickihun said:
Their life experience is needed to make the correct decision.
I feel I have plenty of that, of which I used to make my decision.
Wisdom cannot be found in a book. It isn't transferrable or inherited nor bought.
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Wisdom is all of these and Good Judgement. The question is what Good Judgement is in this case. And only time will tell us that.

I think your statement:
ickihun said:
And those who saw the vote as a chance of a better britain. (Whatever, that means to them).
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Is the important one. That's what no-one who voted "Leave" has yet been able to describe to me when I've spoken to them. What a "Better Britain" means to them.
 

I prefer politicians that do me the least harm.
Politicians are either out to make money, or to gain power.
But there are some that are genuinely there to do good, but normally the first two overwhelm them quite quickly. Altruism isn't an easy thing to foster on others.

But, it's easier to accept the promise of 'jam tomorrow', rather than be told that's it, we have no jam at the moment. The old may be seen not to question by the young.
It's just that they did question when they were young, and some found the best way themselves, and so don't need to change. Some didn't and are bitter that life hasn't turned out as they dreamt when young.
But whatever the young can imagine, the old actually have done it already.

You've also missed out those that like change, just for change.
Those that would always vote against the establishment, when the 'jam tomorrow' get delayed, until, tomorrow.

But, when you do get older, you will realise wisdom can be found in a book.
History is important.
But wisdom isn't accepting that the book is 100% correct.
It's reading the book, understanding who wrote it, why it was written, why it has been preserved for generations.
It may actually by 100% wrong, but if it is, and you understand that, wisdom will stop you repeating the same mistake.

The young won't make a new mistake, and they won't make a new good decision.
The old have already made the same ones.
But, part of the wisdom is recognising that every generation has to make there own mistakes.
The same with kids, you can never stop them getting cuts and bruises, you just pick them up, and keep the plasters in the cupboard.
Then when you get really old, you expect them to be looking after you, and you can be a kid again. That's why you need wisdom for generations, to lay the foundations for the next one, and to pass the mantle on.
 

Based on the economic and financial aspects of the case I have tried to present in some detail, a "Better Britain" is a long way off


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Crabb wouldn't implement the cuts in benefits IDS left scheduled. A man who champions the poor has a lot going for him as a leader. How can any of us be squeaky clean if our past is magnified out all proportion to our present position? D.
 

I believe I understand the Leave voters hopes of a better Britain, but what I don't understand is their thinking about how that's going to be achieved. I appreciate some Leave voters here have said that The Plan was somebody else's responsibility, but, again, which of those plans were the ones that attracted them to vote Leave?

That's what I'd like to know.

I love the UK and I have faith in it, but I'd like to see a practical plan or suggestions. At the moment, the only feasible plan I've seen is to leave the EU but then sign up for trade and all the things that come with it, like Freedom of Movement. So leaving but still being bound by rules - just ones that we won't have a part in making in future.
 

More fool the ones that didn't bother to vote then, if people feel passionate towards something they should use their right to vote.

But it's all academic now and there's no going back, we have to move forward collectively and put all the squabbling well behind us.
 
azure said:
I understand the Leave voters hopes of a better Britain,
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I get that. But in order to know how you get there, you need to know what the goal is.

It's like saying "I need a new place to live so I'm going to build something." and when asked the question, "What will it look like?", the answer is, "I'll see when I'm finished." In response to "How are you going to build it?", the answer is, "You know, with home building stuff."
 

As far as I can see, apart from the vague aims that you've detailed above (amongst some Leave voters, all over the media not meaning on this forum specifically), the hope seems to be for a return to more manufacturing and industry. Ok, but I can't see how that's possible as it's not like the EU was stopping us doing that. The price of commodities, the global market, lack of support from our national government - those are more pertinent reasons. And, with the plunge into recession, I can't see how our government will have spare cash to inject into manufacturing and industry. It doesn't make sense to me.
 
Having watched the ceremony in France to commemorate the Somme, I wonder if those brave men would have had any idea of the state of this country on this anniversary date. I think they would have wondered why they bothered to sacrifice their lives.
At present the internet is full of armchair politicians, the politicians we have got are in chaos and the man in the street wonders what is going on.
Unless we accept that the referendum went in favour of Brexit then what chance is there of moving forward? All the moaning and groaning does nothing to help anyone and it is the Politicians who need to get their act together rather than playing out their dramas. Shakespeare would have had the skeleton of a good play with the backstabbing, narcissism and plotting.
Politics is a dirty game and far removed from when Politicians were there to serve the people. This week has highlighted that.
 
As a nation we are currently in limbo, WE the people have decided we should leave the EU, the politicians now have to face up to this (one way or another) - sadly the government is in total turmoil and unable to proceed. I'm waiting to see if the PM will actually turn around and say no one wants to stand in his shoes at the moment so He'll keep going but on the proviso we don't actually leave the EU and the EU referendum is forgotten about.

..........Ok so the minority of true leave voters might revolt..........!
 
Assert your democratic right by all means but no one seems to
know what vote leave actual means? Do you?
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
you blame Cameron for setting up a vote you were all clamouring for? I really don't understand
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Well there you go, what can I say, seems there is quite a lot you don't understand. I wasn't 'clamouring' for anything, neither was most of the population! It was offered to us - as PM it was his responsibility to have a forward plan (other than running away). As PM he is the only one that can activate article 50, so it is his responsibility, or should I say was! It is like offering your child a choice: a nice chocolate bar or a nice piece of fruit. You are hoping the child is going to choose the fruit but of course, they chose the chocolate. Unfortunately for you, you do not have chocolate and no shops are open and you have no intention of going to find any chocolate. Perhaps you shouldn't have given the option in the first place. Perhaps you should have made sure you had the chocolate available or a means to obtain some?
 
zand said:
Why do so many leave voters now regret their awful decision?
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I keep hearing this repeated on this forum but I haven't heard one person say to me they regret their decision. I have not seen one person write on social media that they regret their decision. Feels to me as though it is just propaganda from the remain voters.
If there are any leave voters who read this and have changed their mind, please do let us know and why.
 
I was a leave voter.
I made my decision many months ago (I was not influenced by anything either side said, and I watched every debate) and did not change my mind during the campaign.
I do not regret my vote.
No-one I know personally that voted leave regrets it.
What I do regret is all the bitterness, recriminations, unpleasantness spouted by some remain people.
 
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