Oh dear. That sovereignty thing was yet another lie. I don't just have T1 diabetes, i also have Cohn's disease, and following a very serious operation in 2011, I was treated appallingly by this government. They even decided I had been cured of an incurable illness, and the only thing that stopped them was human rights laws that overruled them. So much to be gained by handing even more control back to a bunch of right wing zealots!My last thought on this. I have tried to be positive and put my points across to all those who are unhappy about the referendum result. Not one person has been optimistic or accepted any points I've made and try the pseudo-intellectual arguments of answering questions with another question or are very pessimistic and have the worst case scenario explained to me. The referdum was really about "sovereignty" and not about the economic arguments. Those who voted leave knew some financial sacrifices would have to be made in the short term. Those who are still going to rant on and not accept a democratic decision with a high turnout really are sore losers and need to move on. Finis.
Thank you.I have edited some posts here. Please can we keep debate polite.
We know there are two opposing sides here, but can we stick to discussing the ideas courteously
Actually, there is a two year time limit for the negotiations, article 50 to be issued and for the exit to be finalised. The EU want it done asap.It will take time. We won't leave EU for at least 2 - 3 years. It'll then be up to the gov't of the day. Hopefully this will come to pass. Cameron made a big thing of how little the EU contributions are (c. 1% of GDP). One has to ask, why not increase the NHS funding anyway. It simply cannot undertake the (increasing) job asked of it with the funding provided.
I agree, people have to accept different opinions. The result of this referendum doesn't automatically mean those who disagree with it have to like it, and vice versa. We can all avoid name-calling and being derogatory to each other though.I have edited some posts here. Please can we keep debate polite.
We know there are two opposing sides here, but can we stick to discussing the ideas courteously
There may have been many trade deals but at least we were allowed to trade. The EU has been restricting our trade for years. The whole point of joining the EEC was to improve trade.
Not quite, only from the moment the big red Article 50 button is pressed does the 2 year countdown begin. There's now some interesting stuff coming out from the constitutional lawyers which says legally speaking, there should be an act of parliament for it to be pressed - we are a parliamentary democracy, and the government of the day, or indeed its leader, shouldn't be able to call Article 50 without that. Given most MPs were in the 'stay' camp and also given what an unmitigated disaster it's been so far, that's not a given.Actually, there is a two year time limit for the negotiations, article 50 to be issued and for the exit to be finalised. The EU want it done asap.
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Neither. I'm a cup full person right now.
I know, I can see it simply not happening. All we have right now is infighting on all sides of the Commons, and none of them are fit to oversee anything, let alone the exit from the EU.Not quite, only from the moment the big red Article 50 button is pressed does the 2 year countdown begin. There's now some interesting stuff coming out from the constitutional lawyers which says legally speaking, there should be an act of parliament for it to be pressed - we are a parliamentary democracy, and the government of the day, or indeed its leader, shouldn't be able to call Article 50 without that. Given most MPs were in the 'stay' camp and also given what an unmitigated disaster it's been so far, that's not a given.
Not quite, only from the moment the big red Article 50 button is pressed does the 2 year countdown begin. There's now some interesting stuff coming out from the constitutional lawyers which says legally speaking, there should be an act of parliament for it to be pressed - we are a parliamentary democracy, and the government of the day, or indeed its leader, shouldn't be able to call Article 50 without that. Given most MPs were in the 'stay' camp and also given what an unmitigated disaster it's been so far, that's not a given.
Learn something new every day, thanks for that.It's article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, and it's the clause that any EU country has to trigger in order to, and if it wishes to exit the EU.
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I do love your Crystal ball, can I borrow it, mine appears to be broken.£1.8 billion that our own government would never have pumped into Wales. The EU was effectively doing what successive UK governments refused to do, and invest in rundown areas with low unemployment. Those areas have been left to rot since the 1980's or since the industries that provided the bulk of employment for them were closed by that same UK government. So yes, it is our own money, and ironically, it was going to be used for what it should have been instead of trident or nuclear power stations!
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Actually, we can issue article 50 when we want to, not when EU wants us to and the two years can be extended with agreement.Actually, there is a two year time limit for the negotiations, article 50 to be issued and for the exit to be finalised. The EU want it done asap.
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Actually, we can issue article 50 when we want to, not when EU wants us to and the two years can be extended with agreement.
You know, I checked my comment again, and I made no predictions. The EU had already committed to investing £1.8 billion in Wales, that's a fact! Referencing what happened in the 80's is hardly a prediction, and successive UK governments certainly haven't invested in deprived areas of Britain, the EU has done so. Maybe you just don't have a proper argument so you attempted to obfuscateI do love your Crystal ball, can I borrow it, mine appears to be broken.
So, you think they will allow us to dither other it. They already said issue article 50 now and start negotiations immediately, they want it done.Actually, we can issue article 50 when we want to, not when EU wants us to and the two years can be extended with agreement.
I agree, I would say, very, very, broken to be honest.I do love your Crystal ball, can I borrow it, mine appears to be broken.
Stop using facts.....facts are inconvenient and highlight misconceptions!You have actually grasped that the EU want us to leave now, and are looking at ways to invoke article 50 for us?
You really expect them to sanction an extension??
There seem to be two distinct groups of people posting here.
Negative, cup half empty pessimists spouting doom and gloom.
Positive, cup half full optimists wanting to unite the country.
Personally, I 'm in the second group. Which group are you in?
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