That doesn't mean it is always a good thing.
Is there really any need to be so rude?
There may have been many trade deals but at least we were allowed to trade. The EU has been restricting our trade for years. The whole point of joining the EEC was to improve trade.
In theory yes, we can but live in hope!
If you're implying that working people in that era were lazy then how come they had previously actively been doing a fine job working to win the war!
. Those who voted leave knew some financial sacrifices would have to be made in the short term. Those who are still going to rant on and not accept a democratic decision with a high turnout really are sore losers and need to move on. Finis.
I'm not implying it, that was the reputation of that factory/foundry. I think you may be forgetting that it was largely the women who worked back home in the UK to win the war whilst the menfolk were away fighting.
I can't debate anymore with you @zand, don't take it personal but you are not going to change your position or accept the result.They expected the financial sacrifices to be made by other people, it's going to come as a shock to a lot of them that they will be hit too. I for one fully accept the democratic decision (that's why I stated I wouldn't want a 2nd referendum) but it's a huge shame that some of those who voted for it have changed their minds already. Hey ho. I'm happy to move forward even if they aren't. lol There's not only sore losers there's sore winners too.
The lack of control thing was yet another lie. Out of the last 200 laws put through parliament, 6 were supplanted by EU bills. When the Tories have complained about EU laws, they are mostly against having troublesome things like equality laws, human rights and workers rights that are designed to protect us from our own government.
I for one fully accept the democratic decision (that's why I stated I wouldn't want a 2nd referendum) but it's a huge shame that some of those who voted for it have changed their minds already. Hey ho. I'm happy to move forward even if they aren't. lol There's not only sore losers, there's sore winners this time too.
It will take time. We won't leave EU for at least 2 - 3 years. It'll then be up to the gov't of the day. Hopefully this will come to pass. Cameron made a big thing of how little the EU contributions are (c. 1% of GDP). One has to ask, why not increase the NHS funding anyway. It simply cannot undertake the (increasing) job asked of it with the funding provided.
Those restrictions were by and large a myth. Mostly, the Tories objected to not being able to discard the European Human Rights Convention as it took precedent over them riding roughshod over people. The thing about bendy bananas was made up by the Daily Mail, as were other such restrictions. The government IS going to have to pay the EU £250 million a week to still be able to trade with them, and then gave to find at least an extra £80 million a week for the farming subsidies they will no longer get. This government, or any other will most certainly not pour funding into the deprived areas ripped apart during the Thatcher years, so all of those regeneration investments made by the EU will never be replaced either. The EU had committed £1.8 billion to projects in Wales over the next four years, when successive UK governments had allowed it to rot and never attempted to replace jobs that were lost to their actions. So the people of Wales voted against investment in their future, and to hand control of it back to a right wing government that will do nothing for them at all. As did the people of Hull and many other underfunded areas. The EU provided funding in the area I live too. Smart to kick them into touch eh? Helps to know the truth in these matters. Coulds, woulds, buts and ifs don't quite cut it really. Nor do misconceptions.
@eddie1968 I even removed my Belgian signpost avatar earlier today as I thought it was no longer appropriate, even though it did have my name on it. Looking for a suitable British one now.
£1.8 billion that our own government would never have pumped into Wales. The EU was effectively doing what successive UK governments refused to do, and invest in rundown areas with low unemployment. Those areas have been left to rot since the 1980's or since the industries that provided the bulk of employment for them were closed by that same UK government. So yes, it is our own money, and ironically, it was going to be used for what it should have been instead of trident or nuclear power stations!That was kind of them. Was that £1.8 billion of our own money?
Neither. I'm a cup full person right now.
