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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

linnyb said:
the government have ignored the voices of many working class areas. Had they have listened & acted I believe we would have had a remain vote.

things will settle. With that brings hope that we will be able to rebuild our services that have been financially drained:stop:
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We have had Thatcherite monetarist Governments for the last 35 years, Conservative, New Labour, Coalition, and Conservative again. Do you really think any of them would listen to the voices of working class areas? They all have accepted the Reagan/Thatcher era view that markets and big business decide policy, not the lives of ordinary working people at the bottom.

We will be getting another Conservative Government, probably even more right wing than the last one. Do you really believe that they are going to rebuild services? They don't believe in public services, only businesses that can make more wealth for their rich backers.
 
philchap1 said:
I live in Wales and our town has had very little if anything at all from European funding, no jobs have been created since the closure of the areas coalmines so in my opinion being part of Europe does nothing for my town.
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I am also from Wales and ashamed to be Welsh at the moment after the vote. Wales got £245 million a year more from the EU than it paid in., more than any other area in the country. And I have heard "We don't want immigrants". WHAT immigrants???? 95% of people in Wales were BORN in Wales!!!! I live in London where less than half the inhabitants were born in the UK and we all voted to Remain. If you get the right sort of immigrants they are a benefit ....... great Polish builders, wonderful Italian doctors, French restaurants. You will end up with probably more migrants, but they will probably be the ones from the camps in Calais . And I hope Wales will be happy when Britain is made up of just Wales and England because Scotland and Northern Ireland sensibly want to stay in the EU so will break away.
 
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1rnold said:
Hope this doesn't happen although reading the links it seems likely. I just hope we don't end up like some countries needing semi-private / private healthcare
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Boris and Gove wanted to privatise it before. If they take over they may well do that.
 
linnyb said:
I watched question time last night & was appalled at the way the leave voters have been perceived. Firstly that they are stupid & have caused armageddon & secondly that it is ' the residents of ****** towns' that have put us in this position. The call for a second vote is a joke. I do not believe we live in a racist country & I believe most members of most cultures have integrated amazingly into Britain. However I do believe that Britains cultures & traditions are being lost & that the government have ignored the voices of many working class areas. Had they have listened & acted I believe we would have had a remain vote. Everyone needs to calm down & realise that Britain traded freely before hand & will do again. I am sure that we will all be made to pay a price for our voice for a couple of years but things will settle. With that brings hope that we will be able to rebuild our services that have been financially drained:stop:
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A wonderfully positive peace of writing and brilliantly put. here, here :)
 
Politicians do not usually leave big decisions to the people unless they think the people will give the right answer.....given sufficient propaganda! No politician would have a referendum on say an issue like bringing back hanging for terrorism or child murder. The vote for would be much higher than 53%. Cameron must be kicking himself for not having some escape clauses. Where wisdom lies now is in a true democracy, not that of the selfish and frightened first past the post. It is the need for wise politicians who will look for consensus out of division. That is what we elected them for not to abdicate their responsibility to referenda . Like predators looking on the big multinationals are ready to pounch and make money whilst our savings are flushed down the lavatory. I hope we get some decent leaders that have the interest of the people at heart. D.
 
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MickyFinn said:
Certainly is, and the ironic thing is, the EU was taking that money from the UK government and throwing it into deprived areas all over the UK, Hull and Liverpool being two others, when the UK government has refused to provide any funding.

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I listened to one of Merkel's acolytes this morning state that the best we could hope for if we wanted continued access to the Single Market would be the Norwegian model, where they pay in the same as the UK but ha e zero influence over EU decisions. So if that or any close variant emerges, we shall not see a penny coming back to the entire UK.


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linnyb said:
I watched question time last night & was appalled at the way the leave voters have been perceived. Firstly that they are stupid & have caused armageddon & secondly that it is ' the residents of ****** towns' that have put us in this position. The call for a second vote is a joke. I do not believe we live in a racist country & I believe most members of most cultures have integrated amazingly into Britain. However I do believe that Britains cultures & traditions are being lost & that the government have ignored the voices of many working class areas. Had they have listened & acted I believe we would have had a remain vote. Everyone needs to calm down & realise that Britain traded freely before hand & will do again. I am sure that we will all be made to pay a price for our voice for a couple of years but things will settle. With that brings hope that we will be able to rebuild our services that have been financially drained:stop:
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Well. at Boris will have a few cards.
Now the stock market and the pound has fallen, he will be getting to decide where are the money that used to go to Brussels, then get fed back into the deprived areas as grants, regeneration, business starter loans, can either continue to be fed from central government, or be diverted into propping up the banks, and rebuilding the financial institutions that were relocated out of London.
As you say, the working class need to calm down, knuckle under, and when we are great again, and trade as we used to, they'll be back in the land of milk and honey.
You know you can depend on an ultra right wing government, with a massive windfall, to do the right thing.
After all, they're in it until they retire, and their pensions don't come from nowhere.
 
KevinPotts said:
I listened to one of Merkel's acolytes this morning state that the best we could hope for if we wanted continued access to the Single Market would be the Norwegian model, where they pay in the same as the UK but ha e zero influence over EU decisions. So if that or any close variant emerges, we shall not see a penny coming back to the entire UK.


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The same costs, but none of the benefits. Essentially, that means, we would have to pay that £250million per week, then provide subsidies to the farming industry on top of it as well, as the EU will no longer provide the £80 million a week they send back to farmers!

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In a nutshell, was being part of the EU to stick together and help each other out? bailing Greece out etc? I know there were benefits of staying in but surely having control back of our own country and finances should be OK in the long term? I can understand some countries who need to be part of the EU as they couldn't survive on their own but France want out and so do Italy although I doubt Italy will be better off outside the EU as they are heading towards problems themselves. It may be the worst decision ever made but unless you take the gamble and risk, we'd never know.
 
carina62 said:
In a nutshell, was being part of the EU to stick together and help each other out? bailing Greece out etc? I know there were benefits of staying in but surely having control back of our own country and finances should be OK in the long term? I can understand some countries who need to be part of the EU as they couldn't survive on their own but France want out and so do Italy although I doubt Italy will be better off outside the EU as they are heading towards problems themselves. It may be the worst decision ever made but unless you take the gamble and risk, we'd never know.
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Why can't they survive on their own?
They did before the EU?
 
I expect the british government to help our farmers, welsh residents alongside scottish and northern irish members.
They should be able to rely on their govenment not anothers for support.
The british govenment needs to get used to helping its members instead of relying on other governments to assist. No more crying austerity. Help out when needed.
How dare they admit to relying on others for its responsibility. Of course they wanted to remain.
Leaving now gives us a chance to evaluate the uks needs. They should have the support they need.
I'm looking forward to a stronger more independant uk.
Like I've said before the results were disclosed.
Look after your own family before helping the neighbours.
Which also means supporting the whole of the uk. Not just Europe.
The british government are responsible for all it's residents, first and foremost.
 
ickihun said:
I expect the british government to help our farmers, welsh residents alongside scottish and northern irish members.
They should be able to rely on their govenment not anothers for support.
The british govenment needs to get used to helping its members instead of relying on other governments to assist. No more crying austerity. Help out when needed.
How dare they admit to relying on others for its responsibility. Of course they wanted to remain.
Leaving now gives us a chance to evaluate the uks needs. They should have the support they need.
I'm looking forward to a stronger more independant uk.
Like I've said before the results were disclosed.
Look after your own family before helping the neighbours.
Which also means supporting the whole of the uk. Not just Europe.
The british government are responsible for all it's residents, first and foremost.
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Do the british public believe that.
Do the governments?
It seems ironic that Corbyn, who seems a brexit socialist, may be forced to leave, and Cameron, a conservative remain, is being criticised for not staying in charge, by a public that voted to leave, on socialist issues, and then seemingly backed by a government that wanted the opposite to their vote?
 
ChrisamsDad said:
Cultures and traditions are always being lost, everywhere - it's progress, plus some of them are bad - like the house of lords, casual racism, hunting, slavery and only eating boring food and weak beer.

As for 'Britain traded freely before hand' - are you living on cloud cuckoo land? there had to be hundreds of continually shifting trade deals with every single country individually, there were tariffs, import duties both ways, political bargaining and bartering, it was a nightmare for businesses who trade abroad. Also, countries in the EU get to benefit from preferential trade deals that only a political entity the size of the EU could negotiate, that was one of the main points of it.
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But that was in the 60s and very early 70s. We have learned a lot since then. Don't judge us with the same ignorance of those days.
That's unfair.
 
SunnyExpat said:
Do the british public believe that.
Do the governments?
It seems ironic that Corbyn, who seems a brexit socialist, may be forced to leave, and Cameron, a conservative remain, is being criticised for not staying in charge, by a public that voted to leave, on socialist issues, and then seemingly backed by a government that wanted the opposite to their vote?
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lol the public were easily manipulated weren't they? :rolleyes:
 
Sunnyexpat said:
Do the british public believe that.
Do the governments?
It seems ironic that Corbyn, who seems a brexit socialist, may be forced to leave, and Cameron, a conservative remain, is being criticised for not staying in charge, by a public that voted to leave, on socialist issues, and then seemingly backed by a government that wanted the opposite to their vote?
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Individuals didn't want to go forward with EU restrictions and demands. They didn't want to compromise any more British values and traditions. They feel they had compromised enough. Their future looked bleak in the EU.
 
MickyFinn said:
The loss to Wales will actually amount to billions, because the EU had committed £1.8 billion by 2020 to be invested in regeneration schemes and projects aimed at bringing further outside investment in, and therefore generating huge numbers of jobs.

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That was kind of them. Was that £1.8 billion of our own money? ;)
 
ickihun said:
Individuals didn't want to go forward with EU restrictions and demands. They didn't want to compromise any more British values and traditions. They feel they had compromised enough. Their future looked bleak in the EU.
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It seems ironic that a socialist brexit was made the scapegoat.
 
ickihun said:
But that was in the 60s and very early 70s. We have learned a lot since then. Don't judge us with the same ignorance of those days.
That's unfair.
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Yay! You mean we won't want to pay ourselves over the odds and will put in a fair day's work for a fair day's pay? (I prefer the sentence that way round, it points out the duties before the rights). So we can compete with hard working nations? Yay! No strikes or powercuts this time!

Edit: when I was a little girl I used to wonder why some grown ups called the main employer in my home town 'Restinghouse'. I thought maybe they weren't that good at spelling, what with the 3r's and all that.....
 
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