What does your daily meal plan look like?

norawrho

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Hey everyone! New member here who finally stopped being just a forum observer :)

I was diagnosed as T2 in 2015. No medication and have been attempting control with diet and exercise only. I have had a few benders here and there (OK more like 6-12 months I threw away control in the bin - that was stupid). Anyways, I'm now back on the right path.

I've been seeing so many positive reviews about the LCHF diet and wanted to know what were the meal frequencies like and what do your meal consists of.

My dietician recommended me to follow the eating every 2-3 diet when I was first diagnosed - I feel like all I do is eat.

What my current meals look like is:

8am - 3/4 cup Kellogs Advantage with 1/2 cup full cream milk or nobe

10am - 150g full fat natural yogurt and some frozen berries

12.30pm - 3/4 Brown rice, chicken thigh and a heap of steam veggies OR salad with chickpeas and TUNA OR multi grain sandwich with roast chicken tuna and salad

3pm - 30g almonds with 2pc dark chocolate

6-7pm - almost the same as lunch.

9pm - 1pc fruit

I know I'm already half doing LCHF but I feel that the old plan is not doing so great with me.

I would love to know what your food diary looks like or any feedback/ideas you may have with what my currently food schedule.
 
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sally and james

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Welcome to the forum @norawrho How do you fit in work/chores/leisure when you have to prepare and eat all that lot? We find that our Low Carb High Fat diet avoids any need for snacks. Here's our typical/sample meals:

Breakfast:
poached egg and wilted spinach with butter/grated cheese
OR
bacon and fried egg

Lunch:
home made soup, vegetable based, but using stock from home cooked chicken, served with cheeses and nuts
OR
home made liver or mackerel pate with green salad, plus tomatoes, avocado, home made linseed bread

Dinner:
chicken casserole, green veg with butter
OR
mushrooms stuffed with veg and cheese.
AND
red wine

In betweens:
black tea, black coffee, very dark chocolate after lunch, occasionally a few pork scratchings while cooking dinner.

Some days we skip breakfast.

Sally
 

Chook

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Hi and welcome to the forum. I'll just tag @daisy1 who will give you a welcome email which gives some great advice.

I'd say the single most important piece of advice I can give is to get yourself a blood glucose monitor. Your diabetes nurse and/or doctor have probably told you that you don't need to test but you can't know how your body is coping with what you are putting in to it without a meter. I'm lucky (or not so lucky) because I got mine from my GP's surgery when I had extremely high blood glucose.

I'm afraid I couldn't eat most of your meals :( I can't eat rice (except for cauliflower rice) or any kind of breakfast cereal - although I know that many people can but they make my blood glucose go up too high.

Most of us here do what is called 'eating to our meter' - which is checking what your blood glucose is like before eating (with a blood glucose meter) and then testing again at 1 and 2 hours after to see how that meal has affected us. If our BG goes up too much then that meal (or new item in that meal) is too carby for us and needs to be cut right down or cut out of the diet.

At the moment I have breakfast and dinner - usually nothing in between. Breakfast tends to be eggs and Lidl protein roll soldiers or maybe mackerel fillets fried in butter or a fry up at the weekends, dinner is meat / chicken / fish with salad or above ground vegetables.

If I do have snacks then I will have nuts - rarely fruit - but very occasionally I'll have some fresh raspberries.
 

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Hi and welcome,

Unless you have some other health issues that need these frequent meals and snacks, my opinion is you are eating too often. You are also eating a lot of carbohydrate.

3 meals a day is adequate, and snacking is not necessary. Most of us eat 3 meals. Some do what is called intermittent fasting, which means eating only in a short window, such as within 8 hours in a day. The other 16 hours without food other than drinks. The easiest way to do this is to skip food at breakfast time. This gives your pancreas and metabolic system a rest. Personally I skip breakfast other than a coffee with cream as soon as I get up and a cup of tea mid morning. Other than that, water only.

As regards your food, the Kelloggs Advantage (Special K?) is extremely high in carbs and extremely low in fats. It is 63% carbohydrate. Half a cup is 31.5g carbs of which 14g is sugar. If I ate that my blood glucose levels would hit the roof, especially in the morning. Personally I can't eat any carbohydrate before lunch time.

The brown rice is also very high in carbs. (all carbs whatever colour convert to glucose once inside the system) The piece of fruit may not be doing you any favours at all depending on which fruit. Berries are normally OK. It is advisable not to eat any fruit as a snack, but with yogurt or cream as part of a meal.

Rather than concentrate on eating this way, I suggest you start to count the grams of carbs you are eating and decide on a daily limit. Your own glucose meter will help you find your personal carb tolerance. (If you have a meter). If you don't have a meter then I advise you to buy one as they are essential if you are to formulate a sustainable diet for yourself.
 
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MikeTurin

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Welcome on the board.
First of all, If it were you I'll swap the corn flakes with something other, less processed, like some seasonal fruit (except bananas, figs, tangerine or grapes) or the wholegrain/rye bread of the day before.
Normally I don't eat for supper starchy foods, that I reserve for dinner. I'll take a fresh salad with seasonal vegetables. some fish like pilchards...
I've found that egg pasta like this http://www.barillafoodservice.co.uk.../egg-pasta/long-nests/tagliatelle-neutra.html with tomato sauce http://www.cirio1856.co.uk/en/products/item/17/pasta-sauces doesn't spikes me. And tastes good
 
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dipsydo

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Are you trying to lose weight or maintain lower BS or both?

We all react differently to various diets so you really need a meter to see what pushes up your blood sugar and what gives you the best outcome so what I state below might not suit your needs. To lose weight I needed be careful about how much protein used to replace carbs but fat was OK and did not impact whether I lost weight or not.

I will not have cereal of any sort if I had breakfast but some people can tolerate porridge - you need to test .I generally skip breakfast and eat between hours of about 12 to 6 but if I have breakfast will have eggs / bacon and no carbs . I have no milk but will eat cream and cheese . I would not have a piece of fruit as a snack but might use it to finish a meal and it would tend to be berries and cream . I do not eat much rice/ bread/ gains / potatoes so less than a teaspoonful if out with friends but usually nothing and replace with above the ground vegetables( I eat a lot of peas but some people cannot eat them because are quite high in carbs) again need to test. I eat about 40 to 60 carbs a day and do not calorie count . Some people on this forum have much less carbs but would not suit me as a diet for the rest of my life. I will eat the odd piece of birthday cake if at a party but generally no cakes / biscuits or similar. Snack is small packet of real pork rind or handful of nuts or or 10gm of cheese.

I drink about a couple of litres of water a day and if my food on any one day has been low in fibre will have a couple of tea spoons if milled flax with water so much nicer than bran and I feel less like a horse!

I am sure there will me more people along with a further advice .. do look at the low carbs section of this forum
 
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@norawrho

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. In my signature you will find a link to the Low Carb Program which you might like to try. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
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NoCrbs4Me

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These days:

br: black coffee, bacon, eggs
l: pork back ribs
d: ribeye steak
 
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Pauntiep

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I'm new to low carb (still not sure how to count) but usually:-

Breakfast - 2 boiled eggs
Snack - pear or couple of plums
Lunch - smoked mackerel / chicken salad or wholemeal salmon paste sandwich
Dinner - chicken / fish with rice, sweetcorn / peas / cabbage
Night - toast / cake (this is when I get cravings)

I'm T2 on insulin
 

norawrho

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Hi Everyone thank you for the information :) they are all helpful. My aim to lose a little more weight but not in a rush. I had been testing 2hrs before and after meal and usually they are sitting around 6mmol not so much anymore as results were quite consistent.

I train at F45 2 times a week and take 30-60min walks almost everyday. I'm more mindful with making sure to have a 15g carb before intense work out

I did find that had lost a little weight but no so much, I guess due to the excess carbs. I'm at a stand still.

I'll make some swap overs with the rice and cereal and less snacks. I find the rice actually makes me feel nausea but it doesn't show on the meter

Will let you guys know how I go
 
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Resurgam

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To see how a meal affects you, or a snack such as a piece of fruit test blood glucose just before eating and then two hours after the first bite.
I try to keep the increase to no more than two whole numbers.
If it is more than that then you really should consider substituting something less carb heavy, or cutting right down.
I had to give up on the Metformin and statin option - I was just so ill, so I rely on diet only.
I do drink a couple of half pints of water, one first thing, one after dressing - I don't know if that has any effect as I have done it for a long time.
First meal is eggs or meat or fish with a small amount of carbs - about equivalent to one tomato. Other options are mushrooms, or sweet pepper, sometimes leftover vegetables from the previous night's dinner, or leafy salad. Peas are legumes and high in carbs - but I can just about manage a small amount, as with green beans, but no other beans or peas. Similarly no cereal - sweetcorn is a cereal, not a vegetable.
I try to stay under 11 percent carbs for any food, but do eat strawberries, grapes and melon - keeping the amounts small.
I drink a coffee with cream and have a small amount of nuts and a small amount of chocolate - either no added sugar or high cocoa.
In the evening I have meat and vegetables and might have Greek yogurt with desiccated coconut, or sugar free jelly, or berries with cream - but not every day.
It is not a good idea to do intense workout, as it makes blood glucose levels rise, longer sessions at lower intensity are going to be more effective in controlling blood glucose at normal levels.
 
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Goonergal

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Hi @norawrho and welcome to the forum. I'm following lchf and my typical day of eating looks like this:

Breakfast (usually around 8am) - eggs in some form, often hard boiled the night before and taken to work, or crustless quiche. At the weekend sometimes add bacon and/or very low carb sausages (the very high meat content ones)

Lunch (usually around 12, sometimes later if caught up in meetings at work). Salad with meat or fish. Again in a portable form so can take to work.

Dinner (no later than 7pm, preferably earlier). Meat or fish with above ground vegetables. Sometimes a home made bolognese sauce with courgetti rather than pasta.

Snacking - very rare that I need one as I find the diet very satisfying. If I need something a small piece of cheese does the trick. I've tried pork scratchings and while they don't spike me, I find them way too salty.

These meals have all been tested with a blood glucose meter so I know they don't spike me - agree with the comments above that testing your blood would be the best way to figure out what level of carbohydrates you can safely eat. Personally my threshold is very low so I eat very few grams of carbohydrate- less than 30 a day.
 
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These days:

br: black coffee, bacon, eggs
l: pork back ribs
d: ribeye steak
You might be on to a longevity winner according to the doctor of the world's longest lived woman who recently died aged 117:

She also defied health advice, Dr Bava said on Saturday. Some doctors had warned her against eating three eggs daily, which she did for years, but she ignored their advice.

She claims the secret to her longevity might be down to eating the same things day in, day out.**

Morano lived alone and thrived despite an unorthodox diet which included raw eggs and little fruit or vegetables.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-16/worlds-oldest-person-dies-at-117/8446290
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...y/news-story/fb71bffbfcb3936e217c5aa0edfbd2ee

** I wonder if that's Dr Bernstein's secret too - he seems to eat the same meals day in/day out.
 
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MikeTurin

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You might be on to a longevity winner according to the doctor of the world's longest lived woman who recently died aged 117:

She also defied health advice, Dr Bava said on Saturday. Some doctors had warned her against eating three eggs daily, which she did for years, but she ignored their advice.

She claims the secret to her longevity might be down to eating the same things day in, day out.**

Morano lived alone and thrived despite an unorthodox diet which included raw eggs and little fruit or vegetables.


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http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/TG...tem-fd6420e5-381b-4266-b4d7-f3b867d048f8.html
At 6:40 THE SERVICE FROM THENLOCAL NEWS.
Aka "Il Gazzettino del Piemonte" The local GP was aware of the diet at didn't objected, according to the journalist. All of their relatives diied at pver 90 years.
By the way the eggs sje ate were from a relative's farm not bought at a mall.
 

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Hi Everyone thank you for the information :) they are all helpful. My aim to lose a little more weight but not in a rush. I had been testing 2hrs before and after meal and usually they are sitting around 6mmol not so much anymore as results were quite consistent.

I train at F45 2 times a week and take 30-60min walks almost everyday. I'm more mindful with making sure to have a 15g carb before intense work out

I did find that had lost a little weight but no so much, I guess due to the excess carbs. I'm at a stand still.

I'll make some swap overs with the rice and cereal and less snacks. I find the rice actually makes me feel nausea but it doesn't show on the meter

Will let you guys know how I go
If your after 2 hour tests are usually around 6mmol then that is really good