What I eat

Caeseji · Jun 2, 2019

Hi Everyone,

The first page (or so) of posts on this thread were moved from here,
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/sweden-has-not-endorsed-lchf-diet-yet.164914/#post-2066038
because they were completely off topic and were turning the thread into a 'What I eat, including raw meat and lots of dairy' thread, instead of addressing the thread's subject.

Now these posts have a new home, in the General Chat section of the forum, people can discuss whatever they choose to eat.

Regards,
Brunneria

(and apologies to Caeseji for putting these intro paragraphs into the top of your post - I felt the thread needed some kind of introduction. )

Mr_Pot said:
I think low carb would be more acceptable everywhere without the high fat label. Of course some people actually pursue high fat but for many it is just a case of adequate fat or compensating fat. In my case I don't really eat more fat than I used to, but now I don't feel guilty about it.

Usually for me it’s a bit of cheese and just whatever is on the meat. I think some go a little too far in pursuit of that label. It’s just about eating till you’re satisfied.

Member496333 · Jun 2, 2019

There are also those with very little body fat who have no choice but to eat high dietary fat, as their body does not readily give up its remaining fat stores and makes us hungry instead.

poemagraphic · Jun 2, 2019

Caeseji said:
Usually for me it’s a bit of cheese and just whatever is on the meat. I think some go a little too far in pursuit of that label. It’s just about eating till you’re satisfied.

I fully concur... Plus gallons of extra think cream and huge slabs of butter. Oh! and massive amounts of full to bursting with fat Cheese.
Po

poemagraphic · Jun 2, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
There are also those with very little body fat who have no choice but to eat high dietary fat, as their body does not readily give up its remaining fat stores and makes us hungry instead.

There, right there above, is the reason I MUST eat all that yummy stuff i just said to Caeseji.

Vilified no more will I be
Poda

Bluetit1802 · Jun 2, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
There are also those with very little body fat who have no choice but to eat high dietary fat, as their body does not readily give up its remaining fat stores and makes us hungry instead.

I have no weight to lose. If I cut down on the amount of fat I eat I would disappear. I already eat a lot of protein, and I do eat some carbs but have no intention of increasing those. At least I think I eat a lot of fat. I eat dairy and eggs in large quantities but have never been able to eat fatty meat. It makes me heave. I cut off all visible fat on my meat and buy lean cuts. Except bacon of course! I also dislike avocado and can't eat nuts.

Listlad · Jun 2, 2019

Caeseji said:
Usually for me it’s a bit of cheese and just whatever is on the meat. I think some go a little too far in pursuit of that label. It’s just about eating till you’re satisfied.

I agree. Some do go too far.

I do enjoy cheese and Greek yoghourt, full fat milk and streaky bacon. Also nuts. Like Mr Pot, I no longer have hangups about eating these foods.

Listlad · Jun 2, 2019

Bluetit1802 said:
I have no weight to lose. If I cut down on the amount of fat I eat I would disappear. I already eat a lot of protein, and I do eat some carbs but have no intention of increasing those. At least I think I eat a lot of fat. I eat dairy and eggs in large quantities but have never been able to eat fatty meat. It makes me heave. I cut off all visible fat on my meat and buy lean cuts. Except bacon of course! I also dislike avocado and can't eat nuts.

Funny as my wife’s family really do enjoy fatty meat and go out of their way to eat it but they fry it or grill it until it virtually turns charcoal.

Member496333 · Jun 2, 2019

Bluetit1802 said:
I have no weight to lose. If I cut down on the amount of fat I eat I would disappear. I already eat a lot of protein, and I do eat some carbs but have no intention of increasing those. At least I think I eat a lot of fat. I eat dairy and eggs in large quantities but have never been able to eat fatty meat. It makes me heave. I cut off all visible fat on my meat and buy lean cuts. Except bacon of course! I also dislike avocado and can't eat nuts.

I like fatty meat when it’s cooked, as it enhances the flavour, but recently I’ve been eating nearly all my meat raw, along with raw organs. Raw muscle really needs to be lean, as the fat can be tough and chewy. So in these circumstances I have to add extra fat into the same meal. Usually eggs, dairy and/or olives.

Listlad · Jun 2, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
I like fatty meat when it’s cooked, as it enhances the flavour.....

This is why my Mrs and her family like fatty meat as it enhances the flavour. But she never eats it undercooked. Always well cooked or over cooked as she calls it.

Listlad · Jun 2, 2019

Look at the amount of fat on that pork belly. But she loves that. Served with rice though, unfortunately.

JohnEGreen · Jun 2, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
I like fatty meat when it’s cooked, as it enhances the flavour, but recently I’ve been eating nearly all my meat raw, along with raw organs. Raw muscle really needs to be lean, as the fat can be tough and chewy. So in these circumstances I have to add extra fat into the same meal. Usually eggs, dairy and/or olives.

Thought you might like this.

1spuds · Jun 2, 2019

Listlad said:
Look at the amount of fat on that pork belly. But she loves that. Served with rice though, unfortunately.

That meat works for me!

poemagraphic · Jun 2, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
I like fatty meat when it’s cooked, as it enhances the flavour, but recently I’ve been eating nearly all my meat raw, along with raw organs. Raw muscle really needs to be lean, as the fat can be tough and chewy. So in these circumstances I have to add extra fat into the same meal. Usually eggs, dairy and/or olives.

Crumbs Jim. What is you thinking behind this? How long have you been following this diet, and what effect has it had?
Po

Member496333 · Jun 2, 2019

poemagraphic said:
Crumbs Jim. What is you thinking behind this? How long have you been following this diet, and what effect has it had?
Po

Just thought I’d give it a try. The rationale behind it is that no micronutrients are destroyed by the process of cooking. It makes me feel amazing and has made me stronger. Probably only a couple of weeks into it so far but I’m really enjoying it, and it’s great doing less cooking and getting more benefits.

Obviously it’s not for everyone and of course I am not promoting the idea to anyone else. Just stating the benefits as I see them

poemagraphic · Jun 2, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
Just thought I’d give it a try. The rationale behind it is that no micronutrients are destroyed by the process of cooking. It makes me feel amazing and has made me stronger. Probably only a couple of weeks into it so far but I’m really enjoying it, and it’s great doing less cooking and getting more benefits.

Obviously it’s not for everyone and of course I am not promoting the idea to anyone else. Just stating the benefits as I see them

well good luck mate, keep us informed how you are feeling

kitedoc · Jun 3, 2019

Caeseji said:
Usually for me it’s a bit of cheese and just whatever is on the meat. I think some go a little too far in pursuit of that label. It’s just about eating till you’re satisfied.

Depends on how many calories one needs, how much protein ( which almost invariably contains fat) and whether one is trying to maintain ketosis or not.

kitedoc · Jun 3, 2019

Jim Lahey said:
I like fatty meat when it’s cooked, as it enhances the flavour, but recently I’ve been eating nearly all my meat raw, along with raw organs. Raw muscle really needs to be lean, as the fat can be tough and chewy. So in these circumstances I have to add extra fat into the same meal. Usually eggs, dairy and/or olives.

Raw meat may have some nasty bugs in it. Dogs have the stronger stomach acid than us to usually deal with them but we also sometimes are on medications which lower stomach acid.
So i wonder about such a diet healthwise.

Caeseji · Jun 3, 2019

kitedoc said:
Depends on how many calories one needs, how much protein ( which almost invariably contains fat) and whether one is trying to maintain ketosis or not.

That is a fair point, following appetite is usually a good way to do it in my eyes but sometimes we have to keep a delicate balance.

Listlad · Jun 3, 2019

Caeseji said:
That is a fair point, following appetite is usually a good way to do it in my eyes but sometimes we have to keep a delicate balance.

A delicate balance. Often termed optimisation.

Member496333 · Jun 3, 2019

kitedoc said:
Raw meat may have some nasty bugs in it. Dogs have the stronger stomach acid than us to usually deal with them but we also sometimes are on medications which lower stomach acid.
So i wonder about such a diet healthwise.

Yes indeed. There’s certainly a higher likelihood of surface contamination not being cooked off, although I believe it’s still low risk if I eat high quality meat from reputable sources and consume it within a day or so. I’m definitely not the only person who eats raw animals without issue, and I assure you that I don’t make dietary choices without thorough thought and consideration. So far I’m doing extremely well

Apologies @Oldvatr for the somewhat off topic chat.

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