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Paulasomers

Member
Messages
16
Location
Milton Keynes
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Newly diagnosed... Last year, was doing quite well with diet and metformin but al gone to pot. I am so **** hungry so quick after eating., it doesnt make a difference what i eat. I also have such a craving for sweet stuff.
Ive been left my doctors after listening to a great speech about how we work together. I did go back and get a meter which has helped. I now recognise what tips me over and what signs to look out for.
I was told i would get a desmond course after 3 months... Hasnt come. Was told i would be able to get my feet checked at hospital... Hasnt come.
Was told they would support and get check ups every 3 months with. New HB1ac... Hasnt come.
I test regularly and sugar is between 8 and 13. Last Hb1ac was 8.6
Question is what should i be getting in way of support? And what diet can i do to stave of the hunger straight after eating... Advice or kick up backside if needed would be appreciated
 
Well you probably shouldn't wait for the establishment to get moving. Chase up the diabetes nurse at your GP's surgery (assuming they have one).
You will most likely get your feet looked at there. My GP seems to do A1c at roughly 3 month intervals. My hospital appointments are also 3 months apart and they test for other things like cholesterol etc. I think a lot of this depends where you live and whether you have a good team.
 
Welcome to the forum Paula, hopefully @daisy1 will be along shortly with her advice for new members of the forum.
 
Hi. As your HBa1C is still too high you should be having a new HBa1C every 3 months. Setup your own appointment with the DN or relevant GP and book a blood test with reception 2 weeks before. This is how my surgery works and it's works well. I always leave the current appointment with an agreed month for the next appointment and possibly blood test form and urine bottle. You should be getting dietary advice but if it was me I would decline that (politely) as NHS dieticians usually haven't a clue; follow this forum's advice and redcue your carbs in the diet. Your surgery (or hosptial dept if referred) should check your feet, blood pressure, weight etc at each appoinment and discuss (not tell) medication with you and agreed objectives. You should have a retinal exam yearly at the local hospital screening dept. With regard to food craving it is common for many of us having grown up with a carb overload. You have to force yourself to reduce the carbs and don't buy stuff you shouldn't. Read the labels on everything and look for total carbs figure. Have as much protein and fat as you want as these will make you feel full and will not add much to blood sugar or weight. Do come back with any further questions.
 
Hi and welcome Paula. NHS support is very patchy and I don't hold my breath. I'm just grateful to have been diagnosed when I was, and the rest is up to me. No kicks administered here, it's not your fault.
Are you eating quite a lot of carbs? They make you hungry for more carbs. And they turn to sugar in our blood.
Tell us what you eat and when you test.
 
Hey Paula, slash those carbs and add some fat to your diet, fat will run your engine without making you constantly want to eat more.

Works for most.
 
@Paulasomers

Hello Paula and welcome to the forum :)

Some helpful replies above from members who have been through all this before. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.



BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 140,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Thanks so much to everyone for the advice. I cant believe that by posting one thing i have more info than ive had before. I am shocked however at how little little support I have been given by the NHS, I had to beg for a meter etc after reading that i can have one as originally told i didnt need it. Surely if they give the right advice early it means we will make healthier choices and may even reverse this thing or at least get in under control?
After reading your advice it looks like low carbs is the way to go but looking at my breakfast of shreddies thats like 35 carbs for a small and i mean small bowl... How is that going to keep hunger at bay. I wake up some mornings and im so hungry i feel sick. :grumpy:
Even i dont eat carbs within 20 mins im starving! Is this all In my head?
Also why will I add more fat? Surely thats going to add pounds - yes i suppose its better for my Sugar level and thats the ultimate idea- but i dont understand how i lose weight if i add more fat?
Then my other question is how do i eat healthy when all healthier choices seem to higher in price? My shopping bill rockets when i start buying decent things to eat. :confused:

After all that said... Im scared. Im scared that even though i want to reduce this, i have no will power at all. Im still eating cakes and chocolate... What is wrong with me when its so important for me to reduce my sugar why am i not doing it. I feel desperate to do it, I even know what I have to do but i just dont do it:mad::mad::mad: :(

Has anyone tried hypnosis?
 
I've lost over 26kg in 4 months by adding fat and removing carbs from my diet.

It may sound counter intuitive but my understanding (I'm not a doctor or scientist) is that carbs are metabolised into glucose in your blood and excess glucose that isn't used as fuel is converted into fat by the adipose cells in your body. If you continue to eat more carbs than you need for fuel, you will continue to store the excess as fat

If you reduce carbs, your body will metabolise some of the stored fat to use as fuel and you will lose weight (as well as improving your blood sugar)
 
I've lost over 26kg in 4 months by adding fat and removing carbs from my diet.

It may sound counter intuitive but my understanding (I'm not a doctor or scientist) is that carbs are metabolised into glucose in your blood and excess glucose that isn't used as fuel is converted into fat by the adipose cells in your body. If you continue to eat more carbs than you need for fuel, you will continue to store the excess as fat

If you reduce carbs, your body will metabolise some of the stored fat to use as fuel and you will lose weight (as well as improving your blood sugar)

Firstly.. Congrats thats amazing! Okay so that kind of makes sense... So whats the best site to go to for research and is therany hard or fast rukes to follow. Did you make up ur menus or follow a specific diet?
How did you do such an amazing job with your diet... Do you have immense will power?
 
I've lost over 26kg in 4 months by adding fat and removing carbs from my diet.

It may sound counter intuitive but my understanding (I'm not a doctor or scientist) is that carbs are metabolised into glucose in your blood and excess glucose that isn't used as fuel is converted into fat by the adipose cells in your body. If you continue to eat more carbs than you need for fuel, you will continue to store the excess as fat

If you reduce carbs, your body will metabolise some of the stored fat to use as fuel and you will lose weight (as well as improving your blood sugar)
Fantastic! Well done you! Thanks for replying
 
Hi and welcome Paula. NHS support is very patchy and I don't hold my breath. I'm just grateful to have been diagnosed when I was, and the rest is up to me. No kicks administered here, it's not your fault.
Are you eating quite a lot of carbs? They make you hungry for more carbs. And they turn to sugar in our blood.
Tell us what you eat and when you test.

ThNks for replying. Well normally i am quite good but just recently ive gone back to snacking and being lazy...
I have porridge, shreddies or poached egg on multigrain toast
Lunch is normally sandwich meal deal or pasta
Dinner is whatever i can conjur up meaand veg with either rice, couscous or pots but small portion.
I test first thing normally around 7.5
Mid morning i get sweaty and test again and recently that's jumped to 11 or 13 so egg in toast is nirmally the better results and cereal being worse.
I test again before dinner if i feel odd but nirnally thats around 7.5 again and then sometimes before bed around 9

I know by testing what makes it spike but i thjnk laziness is the worst trait as uf i eat something for quickness my choices are pants!
 
Hi. As your HBa1C is still too high you should be having a new HBa1C every 3 months. Setup your own appointment with the DN or relevant GP and book a blood test with reception 2 weeks before. This is how my surgery works and it's works well. I always leave the current appointment with an agreed month for the next appointment and possibly blood test form and urine bottle. You should be getting dietary advice but if it was me I would decline that (politely) as NHS dieticians usually haven't a clue; follow this forum's advice and redcue your carbs in the diet. Your surgery (or hosptial dept if referred) should check your feet, blood pressure, weight etc at each appoinment and discuss (not tell) medication with you and agreed objectives. You should have a retinal exam yearly at the local hospital screening dept. With regard to food craving it is common for many of us having grown up with a carb overload. You have to force yourself to reduce the carbs and don't buy stuff you shouldn't. Read the labels on everything and look for total carbs figure. Have as much protein and fat as you want as these will make you feel full and will not add much to blood sugar or weight. Do come back with any further questions.
Wow thank u. Im going to push and get another appointment and go in armed with questions and do some research myself. It is hard though as you would think that the NHS should give the best advice but clearly this isnt always the case!
 
LCHF for Beginners
Thats low carb high fat ... a lot of us have lost weight this way.
Sugar makes you fat not fat.
I found it hard to believe at first too
Welcome aboard.
Clicky the linky ..... LCHF for Beginners Updated 2/25/2015
 
Yep, lots of good advice there.
Don't try hypnosis just yet!
Careful where you do your research. You may end up with a headache caused by conflicting opinions. I made a decision early on which bunch of "experts" I would go with, and it was this lot. Bless 'em.
 
Yes, we have all been taught that fat makes you fat but I think your meter and scales will tell you that when you have low-carb and high fat your weight will actually go down. Your cholesterol LDL/HDL ratios should also improve. Don't forget the proteins and veg etc to balance things. Avoid tropical fruit. Have cheese and nuts when you snack. I have egg and bacon for breakfast or a small portion of home made muesli.
 
Wow thank u. Im going to push and get another appointment and go in armed with questions and do some research myself. It is hard though as you would think that the NHS should give the best advice but clearly this isnt always the case!
Hi Paula. I'm new to this too, however, it seems I was lucky. My DN gave me a blood testing kit and some guidelines on my first visit and encouraged me to attend the DESMOND education day. Which I did, but it seems the NHS don't give you the best information regarding eating,they recommended the 'balanced' approach, protein, veg and carbs. Like you, I'm a bit lazy but I had to give myself a kick up the backside and make an effort but I'm dying for something sweet, chocolate covered fudge would hit the spot LOL. Someone on the site recommended this http://www.bantingnetwork.co.za/7-day-plan-week-1/ at least it gives you some ideas what to eat.
Good luck, the Doll
 
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