What is the expected blood sugar reading if a diabetic uses a severe Atkins diet?

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
@yetta2mymom The Type 1 boy you're talking about did manage to stay off insulin for approx two years so far by eating a ketogenic diet. HOWEVER as always happens, he will gradually lost the remaining function of his beta cells and need insulin. Do you not think that all the people like myself who actually have Type 1 haven't researched and tried everything for a cure? Do you not think that before the discovery of insulin the doctors, the patients, the families didn't try every single thing to stop themselves or their loved ones dying?

A very low carb diet can prolong the 'honeymoon' period of people with Type 1 sometimes but it CANNOT cure it. The boy you're talking about is fairly recently diagnosed so we can't look at how he is five years down the line, but we can look at other children who were put on very low carb diets at diagnosis and you will see that after a few years they lose more of their residual beta cell function and need to take insulin even though they continue to eat low carb.

I am not a doctor so I can only give my own opinion about your blood sugar results - and that is that you have a messed up insulin response with possible insulin resistance. If you find your diet is working for you, then that's great - stay on it. But it is not a cure for Type 1 and your experience and your blood sugar results on your diet cannot 'simulate' the readings of Type 1 on Atkins.

Hi

The doctors know nothing about the "hunter" gene. I have been communicating with possibly the world expert on Adrenaline related problems. He seems to find my musings very interesting. I should have an article in the Scientific American (seeing is believing). I do not have any symptoms that indicate insulin resistance. The diabetes people don't want to see me, I don't fit their protical. I am trying to get the word out that there is a (very small?) group of people who have the "hunter" gene who have problems processing sugar because they have a complicated way of producing insulin and that can be compromised. Of the 4 people I have found with my problem 3 have never been diagnosed. How many "hunter" gene problems are there? Less than 10% of our population has the "hunter" gene. It has the property of your (word?) gene but it does not necessarily lead to insulin resistance. I have a guess that people who change to the western diet from some other diet and have the "hunter" gene often have problems. Thanks for your infomation. Since I have been able to keep on this diet for about 7 years I must be producing enough insulin to keep my body happy.

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
Type 1 is an auto immune disease. It was terminal before the discovery and manufacture of insulin. It's more that Type 1s can't use the sugar in their blood because they have no insulin. The storage of sugar isn't the most important thing, in my opinion (unless I have misunderstood what you meant by 'storage').

The article I linked you to above really does suggest that the hunter gene/thrifty gene/caveman gene are pretty much the same thing. I think 'hunter gene' is a less common name and that's why you haven't been able to find much about it.

I believe you're saying that your insulin response is messed up - the wrong amount at the wrong times?

azure said:
@yetta2mymom The Type 1 boy you're talking about did manage to stay off insulin for approx two years so far by eating a ketogenic diet. HOWEVER as always happens, he will gradually lost the remaining function of his beta cells and need insulin. Do you not think that all the people like myself who actually have Type 1 haven't researched and tried everything for a cure? Do you not think that before the discovery of insulin the doctors, the patients, the families didn't try every single thing to stop themselves or their loved ones dying?

A very low carb diet can prolong the 'honeymoon' period of people with Type 1 sometimes but it CANNOT cure it. The boy you're talking about is fairly recently diagnosed so we can't look at how he is five years down the line, but we can look at other children who were put on very low carb diets at diagnosis and you will see that after a few years they lose more of their residual beta cell function and need to take insulin even though they continue to eat low carb.

I am not a doctor so I can only give my own opinion about your blood sugar results - and that is that you have a messed up insulin response with possible insulin resistance. If you find your diet is working for you, then that's great - stay on it. But it is not a cure for Type 1 and your experience and your blood sugar results on your diet cannot 'simulate' the readings of Type 1 on Atkins.

Hi

Thanks.
I must be producing eneough insulin to keep my body happy. I have been on this diet for about 7 years. The "hunter" gene is a gene which has the thrifty response. The difference is that the way it works is obvious (to me). The doctor who called it the hunter gene knew what he was talking about. If you are on an Atkins diet (hunter) it works fine. The problems come when you have grains in your diet. Women with this gene have problems regulating there sugar in pregnancy (grains in their diets). In this society people with this gene have a tendency to become fat (3 of the 4 familly members who definitely have the gene were/are fat) and some of them end up with insulin resistance. My familly generally does not (diet in pregnancy?).

azure · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

The doctors know nothing about the "hunter" gene. I have been communicating with possibly the world expert on Adrenaline related problems. He seems to find my musings very interesting. I should have an article in the Scientific American (seeing is believing). I do not have any symptoms that indicate insulin resistance. The diabetes people don't want to see me, I don't fit their protical. I am trying to get the word out that there is a (very small?) group of people who have the "hunter" gene who have problems processing sugar because they have a complicated way of producing insulin and that can be compromised. Of the 4 people I have found with my problem 3 have never been diagnosed. How many "hunter" gene problems are there? Less than 10% of our population has the "hunter" gene. It has the property of your (word?) gene but it does not necessarily lead to insulin resistance. I have a guess that people who change to the western diet from some other diet and have the "hunter" gene often have problems. Thanks for your infomation. Since I have been able to keep on this diet for about 7 years I must be producing enough insulin to keep my body happy.

I strongly suspect the Hunter gene is just an earlier name for the thrifty gene. I remember reading various names of theories connected to this - Caveman, Stone Age, etc. I cannot diagnose insulin resistance because I'm not a doctor, but I would not be surprised if you have it. Many people with insulin resistance do better on a low carb diet. Perhaps if you use the search term "thrifty gene" on Google you may find more information.

For example here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrifty_gene_hypothesis

Gestational diabetes (diabetes that only appears in pregnancy) is linked to Type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance. Women who have Gestational Diabetes are at greater risk of developing Type 2 diabetes in the following 10 years.

You will see that the article I linked to in this post talks about native populations changing their diets to grain, etc, just as you mentioned. It is linked to Type 2 diabetes and nothing to do with Type 1.

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
I strongly suspect the Hunter gene is just an earlier name for the thrifty gene. I remember reading various names of theories connected to this - Caveman, Stone Age, etc. I cannot diagnose insulin resistance because I'm not a doctor, but I would not be surprised if you have it. Many people with insulin resistance do better on a low carb diet. Perhaps if you use the search term "thrifty gene" on Google you may find more information.

For example here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrifty_gene_hypothesis

Gestational diabetes (diabetes that only appears in pregnancy) is linked to Type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance. Women who have Gestational Diabetes are at greater risk of developing Type 2 diabetes in the following 10 years.

You will see that the article I linked to in this post talks about native populations changing their diets to grain, etc, just as you mentioned. It is linked to Type 2 diabetes and nothing to do with Type 1.

Hi

The doctors are wrong. Maybe not always. I know one person who they took a glucose tolerance test after pregnancy and looked at her "hunter" result and said you are sure to get diabetes (about 40 years) ago. I will not go on.

Neil

azure · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

The doctors are wrong. Maybe not always. I know one person who they took a glucose tolerance test after pregnancy and looked at her "hunter" result and said you are sure to get diabetes (about 40 years) ago. I will not go on.

Neil

Wrong about what? About Gestational Diabetes? I wonder if you misunderstood the information?

Gestational Diabetes does put women at higher risk of Type 2 diabetes. Yes, some women who had Gestational Diabetes will develop Type 2 after more than 10 years, some will develop it within a few months of giving birth, and others may not develop it at all. Women with Gestational Diabetes often have regular screening because of their increased chance of developing Type 2.

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
Wrong about what? About Gestational Diabetes? I wonder if you misunderstood the information?

Gestational Diabetes does put women at higher risk of Type 2 diabetes. Yes, some women who had Gestational Diabetes will develop Type 2 after more than 10 years, some will develop it within a few months of giving birth, and others may not develop it at all. Women with Gestational Diabetes often have regular screening because of their increased chance of developing Type 2.

Hi

Where is what you wrote make my answer wrong. You have written what makes me think why the "hunter" gene is not evolutionary prevalent in this society. It is great for famines, so what is the problem. As I wrote with the "hunter" gene with our diet there is a large tendency to become fat and if you have the wrong diet in pregnancy diabetic. You have given the major reason I suspect why the "hunter" gene is not prevalent in our society. I only have the suggestion that maybe the diet during pregnancy determines how susceptible they are to diabetes but I really am grouping. I really do not know what determines that. I only think of the American Plains Indians, the Pacific Islanders, and the people in the near east and I suspect the first generation is especially susceptible.

azure · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

Where is what you wrote make my answer wrong. You have written what makes me think why the "hunter" gene is not evolutionary prevalent in this society. It is great for famines, so what is the problem. As I wrote with the "hunter" gene with our diet there is a large tendency to become fat and if you have the wrong diet in pregnancy diabetic. You have given the major reason I suspect why the "hunter" gene is not prevalent in our society. I only have the suggestion that maybe the diet during pregnancy determines how susceptible they are to diabetes but I really am grouping. I really do not know what determines that. I only think of the American Plains Indians, the Pacific Islanders, and the people in the near east and I suspect the first generation is especially susceptible.

You did not understand my post. I will try again.

You said "the doctors are wrong". I asked you what you believe the doctors are wrong about.

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
You did not understand my post. I will try again.

You said "the doctors are wrong". I asked you what you believe the doctors are wrong about.

Hi

The problem is not insulin resistance the problem is the "hunter" gene. I have one theory that I do not get diabetes because my family has lived in a grain environment for a long evolutionary time and our adjustment is that although we can get fat we don't get diabetes.

ladybird64 · Jul 26, 2016

May I ask who this "world expert" on Adrenal issues is that you have been communicating with?

zand · Jul 26, 2016

You say you don't have diabetes and you don't have insulin resistance. Well I have both. I'm finding your posts rather distasteful. It's as if you are flaunting the fact that you are not diabetic here, on a forum for diabetics.

ladybird64 · Jul 26, 2016

zand said:
You say you don't have diabetes and you don't have insulin resistance. Well I have both. I'm finding your posts rather distasteful. It's as if you are flaunting the fact that you are not diabetic here, on a forum for diabetics.

I must be honest, I'm not sure what is going on is this thread - or why

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

zand said:
You say you don't have diabetes and you don't have insulin resistance. Well I have both. I'm finding your posts rather distasteful. It's as if you are flaunting the fact that you are not diabetic here, on a forum for diabetics.

Hi
If I eat any significant sugar/starch I have severe fatigue. Is that not a sugar problem? If I eat too much sugar I am subject to severe hypoglycemia many hours later. Is that not a sugar problem. Why don't I belong?

azure · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

The problem is not insulin resistance the problem is the "hunter" gene. I have one theory that I do not get diabetes because my family has lived in a grain environment for a long evolutionary time and our adjustment is that although we can get fat we don't get diabetes.

No, the problem in Gestational Diabetes is the pregnant woman's body not being able to deal with the insulin resistance that the pregnancy hormones cause. Therefore she cannot control her blood glucose/sugar properly during pregnancy.

azure · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi
If I eat any significant sugar/starch I have severe fatigue. Is that not a sugar problem? If I eat too much sugar I am subject to severe hypoglycemia many hours later. Is that not a sugar problem. Why don't I belong?

Have you had a HbA1C test?

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
No, the problem in Gestational Diabetes is the pregnant woman's body not being able to deal with the insulin resistance that the pregnancy hormones cause. Therefore she cannot control her blood glucose/sugar properly during pregnancy.

Again we differ? I know that people with the "hunter" gene have problems in pregnancy talk to anyone from India. This fact is the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. Doctors keep saying 1/2 the population of India has prediabetes as they check glucose tolerance tests and all those women have problems with sugar during pregnancy. Yet many of the women do not become diabetic. Why they have problems with sugar during pregnancy (as well as my relative) I do not know.

azure · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Again we differ? I know that people with the "hunter" gene have problems in pregnancy talk to anyone from India. This fact is the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. Doctors keep saying 1/2 the population of India has prediabetes as they check glucose tolerance tests and all those women have problems with sugar during pregnancy. Yet many of the women do not become diabetic. Why they have problems with sugar during pregnancy (as well as my relative) I do not know.

They have problems with sugar during pregnancy because pregnancy causes insulin resistance, as I said.

I notice you say on your Profile here that you are a scientist. Is that correct?

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
Have you had a HbA1C test?

Hi
My test result (U.S. units) have risen from 5.4 to 5.8 (unfortuneately some missing) over the last 8 years (once a year) as I stayed on a severe Atkins diet. I have meet at least one person on this site who has my syptoms but is stuck thinking it must be the way his fat to sugar metabolism works. Of course I could be wrong stranger things have happened. As I posted I do not know if that is the correct diagnosis. I say this because the doctors have other things skrewed up.

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
They have problems with sugar during pregnancy because pregnancy causes insulin resistance, as I said.

I notice you say on your Profile here that you are a scientist. Is that correct?

Hi

I was going to be a theoretical physist until this nice thing happened. I now simulate scientific theories, solve differential equations, do some signal processing for physists. I invented my job by being very good at it. I probably would have ended up at one of the companies doing complicated computer programing if I wasn't sick and started now. I still try and work (5 hours a week) but my computer(s) are down and I am waiting for them to reappear so I can work from home.

azure · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

I was going to be a theoretical physist until this nice thing happened. I now simulate scientific theories, solve differential equations, do some signal processing for physists. I invented my job by being very good at it. I probably would have ended up at one of the companies doing complicated computer programing if I wasn't sick and started now. I still try and work (5 hours a week) but my computer(s) are down and I am waiting for them to reappear so I can work from home.

Ok : )

So is that why you asked the question in the title of this thread - because you wanted to simulate a person with Type 1 on an Atkins diet?

Lamont D · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi
If I eat any significant sugar/starch I have severe fatigue. Is that not a sugar problem? If I eat too much sugar I am subject to severe hypoglycemia many hours later. Is that not a sugar problem. Why don't I belong?

You are not diabetic!
You have a form of hypoglycaemia!
You have a blood glucose/insulin imbalance.
Sugar (and carbs, grains) are your triggers.

The hunter gene/thrifty gene explanation is a theory!
Nothing else!

A very low carb lifestyle will keep your health better.
Age can be a problem, but I doubt it in your instance.
Your other symptoms relate to hypoglycaemia.

You need medical referral to a specialist endocrinologist in metabolic glucose insulin conditions.

Please, you need a consultancy!

What is the expected blood sugar reading if a diabetic uses a severe Atkins diet?

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