What is the expected blood sugar reading if a diabetic uses a severe Atkins diet?

[yetta2mymom]

I don't know what this means. "Pretty close to a type 1 diabetic on my diet"? It doesn't really make any sense. For your information, there is no type 1 diet. The advice to type 1s is, essentially, eat whatever you want, inject insulin to cover it. Type 1 diets and the amount of carbs eaten vary by individual.

I hope you aren't trying to say that you have induced a state "close to a type 1 diabetic" on your body via your diet. Because that would be a very silly thing to say and expose a complete failure to understand both what type 1 diabetes is and how your body works.

Hi

I have to urinate. I have had one instance where I had an overwheling urge for about 10 seconds and then my normal maybe I can just go back to sleep. I assume when I had my autoimmune problem it effected the release of adrenaline when I dream. This symptom is not mentioned by the 3 other people I have found with my general problem. If you care all of us have a major reactive hypoglycemic reaction many hours (enough so you think why?) after eating too much sugar/starch/alchol. This was what sent me to the Mass General (no help) and finally to a doctor in 1963 who recognized the possibility of low blood sugar. This is easily controlled by not eating a lot of sugar/starch/alcohol. Note I have been trying to find out what is wrong since this started in 1957. I had to figure it out myself.

 

[zand]

So as others have said what you are describing is RH. It doesn't matter about the genes, that the condition you are dealing with.

 

[Lamont D]

And again, you need medical intervention.
Your metabolism is not working properly and only diagnostic tests will discover what they are!
Theories are good if they can be proven.
What you have posted is just that, a theory about your genes.
It is your endocrine system that is your problem not your genes!

 

[catapillar]

Hi

I have to urinate. I have had one instance where I had an overwheling urge for about 10 seconds and then my normal maybe I can just go back to sleep. I assume when I had my autoimmune problem it effected the release of adrenaline when I dream. This symptom is not mentioned by the 3 other people I have found with my general problem. If you care all of us have a major reactive hypoglycemic reaction many hours (enough so you think why?) after eating too much sugar/starch/alchol. This was what sent me to the Mass General (no help) and finally to a doctor in 1963 who recognized the possibility of low blood sugar. This is easily controlled by not eating a lot of sugar/starch/alcohol. Note I have been trying to find out what is wrong since this started in 1957. I had to figure it out myself.

I'm really sorry, it might be a language barrier thing or I might just need to read it more carefully, but I don't really understand what you are saying there at all. It certainly doesn't help explain what you meant when you said you were "pretty close to type 1 on diet". I remain of the view that you probably don't understand what type 1 is. There is no obligation on you to understand, especially when you are focused on trying to understand your own condition. But, you might what to avoid using it as a misplaced short hand because that is a bit grating and it does, in my view, undermine what could be perfectly valid other thoughts you are expressing.

I'm completely lost and am probably unable to offer you anything helpful in your quest to figure it out.

 

[yetta2mymom]

Hi

I have to urinate. I have had one instance where I had an overwheling urge for about 10 seconds and then my normal maybe I can just go back to sleep. I assume when I had my autoimmune problem it effected the release of adrenaline when I dream. This symptom is not mentioned by the 3 other people I have found with my general problem. If you care all of us have a major reactive hypoglycemic reaction many hours (enough so you think why?) after eating too much sugar/starch/alchol. This was what sent me to the Mass General (no help) and finally to a doctor in 1963 who recognized the possibility of low blood sugar. This is easily controlled by not eating a lot of sugar/starch/alcohol. Note I have been trying to find out what is wrong since this started in 1957. I had to figure it out myself.

Hi

My genes make the problem possible. I have found 3 other people who share my general problem. They all seem to have the "hunter" gene. Why else would the hypoglycemia behave as it does. Why else would eating less sugar/starch/alchol make them feel better. 2 of the people would rather have fatigue whenever they eat then eat my diet. Eating less sugar/starch is a major help but does not solve the problem entirely.

So as others have said what you are describing is RH. It doesn't matter about the genes, that the condition you are dealing with.

I'm really sorry, it might be a language barrier thing or I might just need to read it more carefully, but I don't really understand what you are saying there at all. It certainly doesn't help explain what you meant when you said you were "pretty close to type 1 on diet". I remain of the view that you probably don't understand what type 1 is. There is no obligation on you to understand, especially when you are focused on trying to understand your own condition. But, you might what to avoid using it as a misplaced short hand because that is a bit grating and it does, in my view, undermine what could be perfectly valid other thoughts you are expressing.

I'm completely lost and am probably unable to offer you anything helpful in your quest to figure it out.

I'm really sorry, it might be a language barrier thing or I might just need to read it more carefully, but I don't really understand what you are saying there at all. It certainly doesn't help explain what you meant when you said you were "pretty close to type 1 on diet". I remain of the view that you probably don't understand what type 1 is. There is no obligation on you to understand, especially when you are focused on trying to understand your own condition. But, you might what to avoid using it as a misplaced short hand because that is a bit grating and it does, in my view, undermine what could be perfectly valid other thoughts you are expressing.

I'm completely lost and am probably unable to offer you anything helpful in your quest to figure it out.

Hi

I do not create insulin to store my sugar. Is that not what happens in type 1 diabetes? Please explain what else is not understood.

 

[yetta2mymom]

I'm really sorry, it might be a language barrier thing or I might just need to read it more carefully, but I don't really understand what you are saying there at all. It certainly doesn't help explain what you meant when you said you were "pretty close to type 1 on diet". I remain of the view that you probably don't understand what type 1 is. There is no obligation on you to understand, especially when you are focused on trying to understand your own condition. But, you might what to avoid using it as a misplaced short hand because that is a bit grating and it does, in my view, undermine what could be perfectly valid other thoughts you are expressing.

I'm completely lost and am probably unable to offer you anything helpful in your quest to figure it out.

Somehow I don't see my reply. I do not produce insulin to store my sugar. Is this not what happens with type 1 diabetes? Any other questions. Your not understanding is a general problem I often encounter. As best I can gather I think differently then many people. Your help in improving my article is much appreciated. I will see if it is clear about the point you bring up.

 

[catapillar]

I do not create insulin to store my sugar. Is that not what happens in type 1 diabetes? Please explain what else is not understood.

Yes, type 1 diabetics do not make insulin. That's why we inject it.

As previously explained, you have to have insulin to survive. You can't say you do not make insulin and you do not inject it because without any insulin you would be dead. I think probably people don't understand your point here because it is just plain wrong - it doesn't make sense because it is incorrect.

If you really think you aren't making insulin you can have a cpeptide test - when the pancreas makes insulin cpeptide is an amino acid that is made as a byproduct of insulin production and checking your cpeptide will tell you whether your insulin production levels are at normal ranges, or not.

 

[azure]

I do not create insulin to store my sugar. Is that not what happens in type 1 diabetes? Please explain what else is not understood.

Type 1 is an auto immune disease. It was terminal before the discovery and manufacture of insulin. It's more that Type 1s can't use the sugar in their blood because they have no insulin. The storage of sugar isn't the most important thing, in my opinion (unless I have misunderstood what you meant by 'storage').

The article I linked you to above really does suggest that the hunter gene/thrifty gene/caveman gene are pretty much the same thing. I think 'hunter gene' is a less common name and that's why you haven't been able to find much about it.

I believe you're saying that your insulin response is messed up - the wrong amount at the wrong times?

 

[yetta2mymom]

Yes, type 1 diabetics do not make insulin. That's why we inject it.

As previously explained, you have to have insulin to survive. You can't say you do not make insulin and you do not inject it because without any insulin you would be dead. I think probably people don't understand your point here because it is just plain wrong - it doesn't make sense because it is incorrect.

If you really think you aren't making insulin you can have a cpeptide test - when the pancreas makes insulin cpeptide is an amino acid that is made as a byproduct of insulin production and checking your cpeptide will tell you whether your insulin production levels are at normal ranges, or not.

Hi

I have had this presented before. I will ask my expert. I am old and run full out so tests are a problem. I am not sure if the way I do not use insulin is not producing it or neutralizing it.

 

[Lamont D]

I believe you're saying that your insulin response is messed up - the wrong amount at the wrong times?

This is a typical modern summation of hypoglycaemia.
In whatever form.
It is also a couple of conditions called, insulinoma and hyperinsulinaemia.

It is also the symptoms described by the op, as hypoglycaemia!

He needs modern medical tests and diagnosis.

 

[yetta2mymom]

And again, you need medical intervention.
Your metabolism is not working properly and only diagnostic tests will discover what they are!
Theories are good if they can be proven.
What you have posted is just that, a theory about your genes.
It is your endocrine system that is your problem not your genes!

Hi

I have late hypoglycemia also but only if I overindulge. I have been talking to probably the world expert on adrenaline problems. I have taken all the standard tests. Everything is boringly normal. I figured out what was wrong. Only 3 other people I know about have my syptoms. With a severe Atkins diet everything is normal. Except compared to most people I do not lose weight. My theory is the timing and/or the amount of insulin produced has been fouled up by the destruction of one type cell in my adrenal glands. This happened in 1957 when I had the standard symptoms of getting type 1 diabetes without the thirst.

 

[Lamont D]

Hi

I have late hypoglycemia also but only if I overindulge. I have been talking to probably the world expert on adrenaline problems.

I only get hypoglycaemia if I eat the triggers, carbs, sugars, starchy veg, dairy!
I have so many food allergies that react my excessive insulin production.
The adrenal gland is only a small part of the hormonal response to food.
There is a great deal more to how our reaction works, we have to stop insulin, cortisol, adrenalin, and of course keep enough glucose to feed our brain.
It is very difficult to control and goes against all medical dietary advice.
Even my endocrinologist, who is dealing with RH patients and hormonal imbalance conditions, has accepted, that only a very low carb diet will help treat the condition.
Until I found someone else and talked it through did we agree on how we were going to advise those who come looking for advice on these types of conditions.
On these forums, we have discovered that despite the many variations of these metabolic and hormonal conditions, low carb works well for us.

Hi

I have late hypoglycemia. Everything is boringly normal. Only 3 other people I know about have my syptoms. With a severe Atkins diet everything is normal. .

My fasting blood glucose levels are normal, my health is very good, I only suffer from hypoglycaemia. And I have not had a hypo for over two years, because I have really great control being in ketosis.

A severe Atkins diet, May not have enough vitamins and a more Mediterranean diet, very low carb, with plenty of salad vegetables may help you!

There are more of us out there, the diagnostic tools are now there, it is being recognised, were a decade or two ago, it was seldom even thought about as a condition. I know that my first endocrinologist and many GPs, didn't have a clue about hypoglycaemia, without thinking it was T1! (Which is ridiculous, because of the amount of insulin we produce!)

 

[yetta2mymom]

Hi

I have emailed my expert. I said I do not know if I do not produce insulin or if it is neutralized. I do not want to eat sugar/starch (that would start my symptoms). What does he suggest. I said this because if you look at my glucose tolerance test it rises for over 2 hours and I have problems losing weight on my diet (guess I do not waste energy storing sugar). In either of the above possibilities I still think I simulate a type 1 diabetic on a severe Atkins diet.

 

[catapillar]

This happened in 1957 when I had the standard symptoms of getting type 1 diabetes without the thirst.

What do you think the standard symptoms of type 1 are?

 

[Indy51]

Do you have a glucometer and are you keeping records of your blood glucose levels, especially when you have these episodes of extreme fatigue?

 

[catapillar]

I still think I simulate a type 1 diabetic on a severe Atkins diet.

What do you mean by this? For the avoidance of doubt, if you are an alive human who is not injecting insulin, then you are producing insulin. By going low carb, you are not "simulating type 1 diabetes". These silly statements simply make me think that you clearly do not understand the function of insulin or what type 1 diabetes is. Which is perhaps not the impression you are aiming for.

 

[yetta2mymom]

Do you have a glucometer and are you keeping records of your blood glucose levels, especially when you have these episodes of extreme fatigue?

Hi

No. I now am under control and do not wish to test in any way which breaks my present condition. It took (guess) about 2 years for most of the symptoms associated with my sugar problems to dissipate. The one I haven't talked about is related to the vagus nerve leading to a drop of pulse rate. Does 22 sound slow to you? Scared the doctor and the nurses (preparation for colonoscopy, nurse missed a vein) but not me. It felt similar to other times from which I quickly recovered. I have 2 readings when I felt bad both were 60.

Neil

 

[azure]

Hi

I have emailed my expert. I said I do not know if I do not produce insulin or if it is neutralized. I do not want to eat sugar/starch (that would start my symptoms). What does he suggest. I said this because if you look at my glucose tolerance test it rises for over 2 hours and I have problems losing weight on my diet (guess I do not waste energy storing sugar). In either of the above possibilities I still think I simulate a type 1 diabetic on a severe Atkins diet.

NO - your diet does NOT simulate what the blood sugar resukts would be for a Type 1 on severe Atkins.

If I ate Atkins, I would still have to inject insulin even if the level of carbs was practically zero. If I followed Atkins without taking my insulin I would end up dead, as did all Type 1s before insulin was discovered.

You mention having symptoms of Type 1 decades ago 'except the thirst'. That makes me think you do not understand what Type 1 is. The symptoms of Type 1 are excessive thirst, excessive urination, weight loss, exhaustion and - untreated - DKA, coma and death.

I think you are overcomplicating the problem you have, which seems to be a slow and inappropriate nsulin response. If you're not getting the help and answers you need from your current Endo, then see another one. If you believe you also have other medical issues, then I strongly advise you see a more general specialist just to rule out other medical conditions.

 

[yetta2mymom]

NO - your diet does NOT simulate what the blood sugar resukts would be for a Type 1 on severe Atkins.

If I ate Atkins, I would still have to inject insulin even if the level of carbs was practically zero. If I followed Atkins without taking my insulin I would end up dead, as did all Type 1s before insulin was discovered.

You mention having symptoms of Type 1 decades ago 'except the thirst'. That makes me think you do not understand what Type 1 is. The symptoms of Type 1 are excessive thirst, excessive urination, weight loss, exhaustion and - untreated - DKA, coma and death.

I think you are overcomplicating the problem you have, which seems to be a slow and inappropriate nsulin response. If you're not getting the help and answers you need from your current Endo, then see another one. If you believe you also have other medical issues, then I strongly advise you see a more general specialist just to rule out other medical conditions.

Hi
Recently your site reported that a young boy has not had insulin for 2 years and has type 1 diabetes. Look it up. I had all the symptoms except excessive urination. The weight loss (about 20-25 pounds) stopped after about 2 months. I did not have the follow on symptoms. It took me many years (guess 40) to realize what had happened. It took me additional time to realize the exhaustion (I call it fatigue) was due to processing sugar. One person I know with my problem can not hold a job (falls asleep and avoids driving on highways) I am completely normal (I have these age related problems) if I cut my sugar/starch enough. The "hunter" gene is a different way of processing sugar. You do not process sugar until your blood sugar rises. Look at my glucose tolerance test in 1964 70, 1/2 hr 135, 1 hr 170, 2 hr 180, extended 3 hr 100 about 1/2 hr later a very mild shaking episode. The doctor who found the "hunter" gene said he was sure the patients (said about 10%) were lying about what they ate since they did not lose weight on his weight loss diet. He implied his patients had no other obvious symptoms. He indicated (drew) their blood sugar rose concave like for the 2 hours of his test. I say they did not lose weight because they did not process sugar. They simply used the sugar as long as their blood sugar remained low enough (whatever that means).
I do not think a severe Atkins diet was tried before or why is the young boy thriving. Are they lying?
Yes my insulin response is messed up but not terribly, but only a little, is bad enough for symptoms.

Type 1 is an auto immune disease. It was terminal before the discovery and manufacture of insulin. It's more that Type 1s can't use the sugar in their blood because they have no insulin. The storage of sugar isn't the most important thing, in my opinion (unless I have misunderstood what you meant by 'storage').

The article I linked you to above really does suggest that the hunter gene/thrifty gene/caveman gene are pretty much the same thing. I think 'hunter gene' is a less common name and that's why you haven't been able to find much about it.

I believe you're saying that your insulin response is messed up - the wrong amount at the wrong times?

 

[azure]

@yetta2mymom The Type 1 boy you're talking about did manage to stay off insulin for approx two years so far by eating a ketogenic diet. HOWEVER as always happens, he will gradually lose the remaining function of his beta cells and need insulin. Do you not think that all the people like myself who actually have Type 1 haven't researched and tried everything for a cure? Do you not think that before the discovery of insulin the doctors, the patients, the families didn't try every single thing to stop themselves or their loved ones dying?

A very low carb diet can prolong the 'honeymoon' period of people with Type 1 sometimes but it CANNOT cure it. The boy you're talking about is fairly recently diagnosed so we can't look at how he is five years down the line, but we can look at other children who were put on very low carb diets at diagnosis and you will see that after a few years they lose more of their residual beta cell function and need to take insulin even though they continue to eat low carb.

I am not a doctor so I can only give my own opinion about your blood sugar results - and that is that you have a messed up insulin response with possible insulin resistance. If you find your diet is working for you, then that's great - stay on it. But it is not a cure for Type 1 and your experience and your blood sugar results on your diet cannot 'simulate' the readings of Type 1 on Atkins.