What is the expected blood sugar reading if a diabetic uses a severe Atkins diet?

yetta2mymom · Jul 26, 2016

azure said:
Ok : )

So is that why you asked the question in the title of this thread - because you wanted to simulate a person with Type 1 on an Atkins diet?

Hi

I am a scientist I am driven by an overwheling curiosity drive. I have stimulated a discussion so I can learn and teach. You are one of the reasons. Yes I wanted to find out if Atkins was enough to control diabetes (1 and/or 2). I will change my article to mention that some insulin is probably necessary. I still do not know if you could get by with less insulin (say ocationally) and a severe Atkins diet. I assume that would be more convenient. Do you know?

azure · Jul 26, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

I am a scientist I am driven by an overwheling curiosity drive. I have stimulated a discussion so I can learn and teach. You are one of the reasons. Yes I wanted to find out if Atkins was enough to control diabetes (1 and/or 2). I will change my article to mention that some insulin is probably necessary. I still do not know if you could get by with less insulin (say ocationally) and a severe Atkins diet. I assume that would be more convenient. Do you know?

If a person with Type 1 reduces the amount of carbs they eat, then they can also reduce their insulin dose. But they will always need insulin, as explained earlier. So an Atkins diet alone will not control Type 1.

Is an Atkins diet more convenient for a Type 1? Not really because it still needs a lot of work to balance insulin and blood sugar. Protein can also cause blood sugar to rise, so insulin is needed to control that rise and it can be difficult to calculate exactly how much is needed for protein. Also, a higher level of fat (to replace the missing carbs) can change the way blood sugar rises. This is also something that has to be taken into account when trying to calculate the correct insulin dose for such a diet.

For some people with Type 2 diabetes, an Atkins diet or similar low carb diet can control their diabetes. Some Type 2s can use diet only to control their diabetes, but others need tablets or insulin too.

yetta2mymom · Jul 27, 2016

azure said:
If a person with Type 1 reduces the amount of carbs they eat, then they can also reduce their insulin dose. But they will always need insulin, as explained earlier. So an Atkins diet alone will not control Type 1.

Is an Atkins diet more convenient for a Type 1? Not really because it still needs a lot of work to balance insulin and blood sugar. Protein can also cause blood sugar to rise, so insulin is needed to control that rise and it can be difficult to calculate exactly how much is needed for protein. Also, a higher level of fat (to replace the missing carbs) can change the way blood sugar rises. This is also something that has to be taken into account when trying to calculate the correct insulin dose for such a diet.

For some people with Type 2 diabetes, an Atkins diet or similar low carb diet can control their diabetes. Some Type 2s can use diet only to control their diabetes, but others need tablets or insulin too.

Hi

I know that my wife uses a full fledged type 2 diet with major pills. We are old and she has had a major valve job. Neither of us can travel. She has too many pills to take and I have developed a need for too much sleep/rest. I think there is a finite chance that my body goes into a low energy mode if I try and lose some of my way too many pounds. I gave my doctor (not said this way) a choice of 3 columns. Column 1 save energy mode. Column 2 old people problem Column 3 a low grade infection. I think there is (was) a little of each of these. My energy has improved because I have overcome column 3. I think by having very little insulin I have removed my high blood pressure problem. Another possibility is that I will feel better when I remove all the beta blocker (half way there maybe some improvement). She went on my diet and or course had a major low sugar episode. I do not know if doctors know if all type 2 can be controlled by diet but I would guess so. As far as I gather Atkins was not recomended because doctors (mistakenly?) thought it was a poor diet, nutritionally. I make this guess because of what happens to type 1 diabetes.

zand · Jul 27, 2016

What is your wife's 'full fledged T2 diet?' Is it low carb? Mediterranean diet?

yetta2mymom · Jul 27, 2016

zand said:
What is your wife's 'full fledged T2 diet?' Is it low carb? Mediterranean diet?

Hi

See just has to eat enough sugar/starch so that her insulin stimulating medicine does not produce low blood sugar. She foulishly followed my diet to the hospital (severe low blood sugar).

Hi

From my communications with diabetics I have concluded that most likely my body is turning on and off insulin resistance (weird).

Neil Grossbard

azure said:
If a person with Type 1 reduces the amount of carbs they eat, then they can also reduce their insulin dose. But they will always need insulin, as explained earlier. So an Atkins diet alone will not control Type 1.

Is an Atkins diet more convenient for a Type 1? Not really because it still needs a lot of work to balance insulin and blood sugar. Protein can also cause blood sugar to rise, so insulin is needed to control that rise and it can be difficult to calculate exactly how much is needed for protein. Also, a higher level of fat (to replace the missing carbs) can change the way blood sugar rises. This is also something that has to be taken into account when trying to calculate the correct insulin dose for such a diet.

For some people with Type 2 diabetes, an Atkins diet or similar low carb diet can control their diabetes. Some Type 2s can use diet only to control their diabetes, but others need tablets or insulin too.

Hi

Hi

From my communications with diabetics I have concluded that most likely my body is turning on and off insulin resistance (weird). (YOU)

This means that saying that women having problems in pregnancy are having insulin resistance is probably correct. This explains what is probably happening. Thanks.

Neil Grossbard

Lamont D · Aug 4, 2016

Galja said:
I read the post in the middle blog as you suggested. It is interesting. One thing I disagree about was that the Yugoslav wars of the 90s had anything to do with religion. I would substitute the word nationalism and add that religion became an excuse for power hungry apologists for extreme nationalism and territorial acquisition.

I bow to better knowledge!
But isn't everything about control and how we live our lives.
Religion, politics, power, ownership, royalty, banks and governments. And the worst nationalism, racist tactics and propaganda.
Divide and conquer, tactics used to defeat social advancement by y he multi corporations and capitalists.
You could put a baseline of who has the stronger motive and force to wage war on another group of people.
I think we will be always fighting amongst ourselves, using any excuse to acquire possessions!

yetta2mymom · Aug 4, 2016

Galja said:
I'm not sure this qualifies as a scientific reference, but a lot of this was brought up first in a book called The Paleolothic Prescription

Hi

I am far from an expert but the moderator had me google and as best I now think their is a background amount of insulin but if you eat protein you need insulin to change protein into sugar + (don't know). I eat a lot of protein and therefore to remain well I must be producing insulin. The Near East women (and a relative) how have sugar problems in pregnancy and have the "hunter" gene (unfortuneately don't know if just because many women in the Near East seem to have the "hunter" gene and many women have sugar problems in pregnancy that these are definitely the same women) have been tested and seem to be insulin resistant. For that reason and noting this could be a "stingy" gene I made the jump of insulin resistance (have had some though that this was possible for a long time). I started on heading towards an Atkins diet (any large reduction in sugar/starch helps my symptoms somewhat) a very long time ago long before the paleolothic craze.

bulkbiker · Aug 4, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

See just has to eat enough sugar/starch so that her insulin stimulating medicine does not produce low blood sugar. She foulishly followed my diet to the hospital (severe low blood sugar).

Sounds like your wife is eating to her medication rather than attuning her medication to what she is eating?
I presume this means she is on insulin?

yetta2mymom · Aug 4, 2016

bulkbiker said:
Sounds like your wife is eating to her medication rather than attuning her medication to what she is eating?
I presume this means she is on insulin?

Hi
No the standard medicine to stimulate insulin production (medforman?).

zand · Aug 4, 2016

If you mean metformin it doesn't stimulate insulin production. It may lower blood glucose levels a little although I never found this to be so. The main benefits are reducing insulin resistance and acting as an appetite suppressant. It also has protective properties against some other health problems ( can't remember which ones).

Lamont D · Aug 4, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi
No the standard medicine to stimulate insulin production (medforman?).

If you are a scientist, why haven't you found out what these meds do and what they are for. Basic endocrinology and first meds for all T2 diabetics.

It protects the organs from misinformed doctors, dsns, GPs, and know it all's especially scientists!

yetta2mymom · Aug 4, 2016

zand said:
If you mean metformin it doesn't stimulate insulin production. It may lower blood glucose levels a little although I never found this to be so. The main benefits are reducing insulin resistance and acting as an appetite suppressant. It also has protective properties against some other health problems ( can't remember which ones).

Hi

I should ask my wife what is the medicine. She takes bundles (heart valve replacement). She guess Amloadepine. She cut dose + never tried with my very low sugar/starch diet.

Neil

yetta2mymom · Aug 4, 2016

nosher8355 said:
If you are a scientist, why haven't you found out what these meds do and what they are for. Basic endocrinology and first meds for all T2 diabetics.

It protects the organs from misinformed doctors, dsns, GPs, and know it all's especially scientists!

Hi

What does this have to do with the physics of the uper atmosphere?

yetta2mymom · Aug 4, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

What does this have to do with the physics of the uper atmosphere?

I am not a diabetic. I have a different autoimmune problem.

zand · Aug 4, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

I should ask my wife what is the medicine. She takes bundles (heart valve replacement). She guess Amloadepine. She cut dose + never tried with my very low sugar/starch diet.

Neil

I took amlodipine tablets for a while for my high blood pressure, thankfully I don't need them now.

Lamont D · Aug 4, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi

What does this have to do with the physics of the uper atmosphere?

Why?
I thought your scientific research was in endocrinology and genetics not the ozone layer?

Edited by a mod for rudeness

yetta2mymom · Aug 4, 2016

Galja said:
I read the post in the middle blog as you suggested. It is interesting. One thing I disagree about was that the Yugoslav wars of the 90s had anything to do with religion. I would substitute the word nationalism and add that religion became an excuse for power hungry apologists for extreme nationalism and territorial acquisition.

What is the other autoimmune disease? I have Hashimoto's, for example, and it would be interesting to note how prevalent certain autoimmune conditions are on the forum

Hi
Not named. Not generally know. I have only found 4 people with the problem. I am writing an article for the Scientific American (I will believe it when I actually see it) about the "hunter" gene my problem is a minor part of the article. If anyone wants to see the latest version of this article in it I write it is long and I have been told it is complicated.

yetta2mymom · Aug 4, 2016

nosher8355 said:
Why?
I thought your scientific research was in endocrinology and genetics not the ozone layer?

Hi
What made you think that. I spent 6 years trying to figure out my problems. I found only one researcher who had the confidence and the humility to help me. Just because I started out at epsilon (heading to 0) knowledge to start with there is this thing called the internet and I can interview people (like this blog) and/or ask questions.

zand · Aug 4, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi
What made you think that. I spent 6 years trying to figure out my problems. I found only one researcher who had the confidence and the humility to help me. Just because I started out at epsilon (heading to 0) knowledge to start with there is this thing called the internet and I can interview people (like this blog) and/or ask questions.

True, but you don't seem to be that good at listening to the answers.

Lamont D · Aug 4, 2016

yetta2mymom said:
Hi
What made you think that. I spent 6 years trying to figure out my problems. I found only one researcher who had the confidence and the humility to help me. Just because I started out at epsilon (heading to 0) knowledge to start with there is this thing called the internet and I can interview people (like this blog) and/or ask questions.

Oh, I don't know!
Maybe it was the thirteen or so threads asking the question about your metabolism and the theory you have about your genes!

If you started at Epsilon, you have missed alpha, beta, gamma and delta!

So what has been your major?

Mine is football, (not American) you know soccer.
I studied and passed my coaching badges and teach football at youth level.
I also watched star trek!

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