http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/20...ow-About-Protein-on-a-Low-Carb-Ketogenic-Diet
I found this report explained a lot I did not know about proteins
I found this report explained a lot I did not know about proteins
The way I look at milk is if a Vegan person doesnt eat it, then there has to be a way to get the nutrients. As for the whole Carb revolution and it being a fad diet, its been a diet for many types of people for hundreds of years. There are dietabetic cook books from the 1800s that are essentially the low carb diet. They eat Full fat foods. If you look at the one population that isnt fat but is extremely muscly (Bodybuilder in case you are guessing), you pretty much see them alternating protein and carbohydrates but few of them eat both at the same time. I am uncomfortable with eating lots of fats because just like eating lots of carbs they will make you fat if you do not burn off the calories. As to the vitamins I can see the sense in making sure you have enough Vit B6/12 and niacin and the Vit D and calcium. With the B vitamins there should be no problem with the extra meat intake because they come from meat.Possibly because these Vitamins assist with the break down of Fats (they are fat soluble too so you need fat to digest them) Vit D is the sunshine Vit that I happen to be low in so know if you are low in Vitamin D you also have a problem with Calcium got to watch you dont get too much or too little. We are also the one population that eat greens as they are low carb and high in calcium - broccoli cabbage, sprouts, we shouldnt have a problem so long as we are eating our greens. Another good source of calcium is the nuts we eat. Almond milk has 45% calcium compared to Cows milk at 12% so we are getting plenty there too if we are eating the nuts. A micronutrient balanced diet is possible without carbohydrates put simply we just need to make sure we follow the same rules, drink milk - in our case nut milks, eat veg, be healthy.Hi all
Not sure why anyone would think Vit B6 would be deficient in a sensible (well formulated) LCHF diet:
https://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-high-in-vitamin-B6.php
Or B12
https://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-high-in-vitamin-B12.php
As for milk, none of us need milk in our diet after we are weaned from human milk.
There are plenty of sources of calcium and Vit D elsewhere:
https://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-high-in-calcium.php
and
https://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/high-vitamin-D-foods.php
with sunlight being the best of them
Having said that, if anyone were idiotic enough to live on chicken, lard and cauliflower, I suspect deficiencies would turn up pretty quickly. As for evolution - I can say that it is a slow old business, and a heck of a lot slower than selectively breeding wild grains into modern wheat strains, and wild maize into modern sweetcorn, or wild soya beans into GM crops.
I am not aware of a single nutrient present in grains that is not more available in other lower carb foods.
Im odd too, I research everything I can to understand whats going on lolBottom line is, if you don't fancy going headlong into your interpretation of LCHF, then don't do it. It won't work for you and you will have symptoms of something, whether or not you are actually suffering from it. Such is the power of autosuggestion, with self-autosuggestion being the worst variant.
When diagnosed, I was passionate abou not going straight to meds, even though my diagnostic tests were moderately high, if unsymptomatic. Had I gone on meds I would not have worked as hard to control my bloods, as I'd have been waiting to see the impact of the meds.
Maybe I'm just odd. No answers on postcards, please!
We are also the one population that eat greens as they are low carb and high in calcium - broccoli cabbage, sprouts, we shouldnt have a problem so long as we are eating our greens.
Giggles NUTS!I have a problem then, but I don't!
I have never, ever ate these greens! I just can't! they make me vomit!
I do however eat a lot of salad stuff.
Maybe this compensates for the lack of those vegetables.
But I must get my calcium from somewhere!
Cos, it's not from dairy either!
I used to be a Design engineer designing control systems for warships, submarines, trains and planes, so most of my adult life has been concerned with safety. I soon learnt that you cannot take anything for granted, and although you can minimise the risk to almost zero, there will come a day when something you forgot to query comes up and bites you in the proverbial. i have learnt not to take things on faith, but to question eveything from all angles that i can. this is why people find me nerdy and pedantic in my postings. i need to see the truth come out. i need to understand what makes things tick.Im odd too, I research everything I can to understand whats going on lol
I was a software engineer.Not as dangerous as you if I got it wrong or missed something but still learnt to ask a lot of questions first before I programmed the wrong thing.I used to be a Design engineer designing control systems for warships, submarines, trains and planes, so most of my adult life has been concerned with safety. I soon learnt that you cannot take anything for granted, and although you can minimise the risk to almost zero, there will come a day when something you forgot to query comes up and bites you in the proverbial. i have learnt not to take things on faith, but to question eveything from all angles that i can. this is why people find me nerdy and pedantic in my postings. i need to see the truth come out. i need to understand what makes things tick.
If you go on holiday, there is a strong posibility that some system I designed or built is controlling some aspect of your journey. i hope I asked the right questions and did my job properly. I hope to ask the right questions here so that our journey is a little bit safer and that the understanding of whats in front of us is clearer.
Well, I don't overdo the nuts. But it could be!
I used to be a Design engineer designing control systems for warships, submarines, trains and planes, so most of my adult life has been concerned with safety. I soon learnt that you cannot take anything for granted, and although you can minimise the risk to almost zero, there will come a day when something you forgot to query comes up and bites you in the proverbial. i have learnt not to take things on faith, but to question eveything from all angles that i can. this is why people find me nerdy and pedantic in my postings. i need to see the truth come out. i need to understand what makes things tick.
If you go on holiday, there is a strong posibility that some system I designed or built is controlling some aspect of your journey. i hope I asked the right questions and did my job properly. I hope to ask the right questions here so that our journey is a little bit safer and that the understanding of whats in front of us is clearer.
I agree that if a combination of events can happen ,however weird or rare, then one day it will happen, and we still need to have a plan in place to mitigate against it if we can, The problem is that the rarer the possibility, the cost of mitugation becomes too high, and management pull the plug. Many times I had arguments with them up there about something and had to step back. In one unfortunate case i had to attend a board of inquiry and demonstrate that we lost an aircraft probably because of a double failure that had been undetected. in this case one of the failures was in the detection circuit itself. The phrase who tests the testers? comes to mind. We have to decide where to draw the line and it is always a compromise. The main thing is that it needs to be considered, and the outcome decision recorded. Hence this thread.Aside from my early postgrad years, when I was a clinician in the NHS and a bit of private sector work too (Yes, one of those pariahs), most of my working life, I have dealt in Risk. Although I specialised in Change, as I worked in regulated environments, my Risk Management skills were always well honed.
Whilst I can see why you would want to carefully manage risk, refining to "no risk" is a risk in itself.
Hi, i read this report, but came away from it slightly unsatisfied. The science in it seems to be based on anecdotal evidence, and where sources are identified they are from other peoples books, magazine articles, etc Some of the assertions made my eyebrows rise uncontrollably, and I felt that some statements presented as fact may not be substantiated. i felt I still need to continue my research into protein.http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/20...ow-About-Protein-on-a-Low-Carb-Ketogenic-Diet
I found this report explained a lot I did not know about proteins
I agree that if a combination of events can happen ,however weird or rare, then one day it will happen, and we still need to have a plan in place to mitigate against it if we can, The problem is that the rarer the possibility, the cost of mitugation becomes too high, and management pull the plug. Many times I had arguments with them up there about something and had to step back. In one unfortunate case i had to attend a board of inquiry and demonstrate that we lost an aircraft probably because of a double failure that had been undetected. in this case one of the failures was in the detection circuit itself. The phrase who tests the testers? comes to mind. We have to decide where to draw the line and it is always a compromise. The main thing is that it needs to be considered, and the outcome decision recorded. Hence this thread.
A very good and well written report. I am going to have to read it a few times to make sure I understand it. Thank you for sharing it here. I certainly came away from my first pass feeling positive about its conclusions. What is interesting is that it is a report from a respected financial investment bank (I think thats still true) and is aimed at investors. it covers trends and changes in agric chemical land and hence how commodities are already being affected by this new 'technology'. This is serious stuff, and shows that this diet has far reaching effects for business and the money markets not just the health benefits.This might be a good thread to repost the Credit Suisse review on saturated fat which can be downloaded here: http://publications.credit-suisse.c...fm?fileid=9163B920-CAEF-91FB-EE5769786A03D76E
I am insterested why you discounted spinach. It doesnt have a lot of calcium but it does have 9% per 100gone vitamin that studies have shown to drop below RDA levels during LC dieting is Fplic Acid (folate). This partly because cereal product have to be reinforced with folic acid during manufacture, and LC cuts cereal products. Easily compensated for by upping the intake of green leafed veg such as spinach, broccoli, okra Asparagus etc. Sonny Eat yer greens.
Associated with this was a noted dropoff of iron, Compensate by eating animal products. Not sure what vegans do for this Molasses?
Also calcium noted as being reduced due to losing the cereals. .Again solved by green leafed veg (but not spinach) or milk products.
Amino acids should be covered adequately by protein intake. For this Tofu or milk whey can be used (Lidl Rolls?) or cheese, but once again vegans may have problem here.
I treated it as a starting point. Answered some of my questions and threw up a pile more.Hi, i read this report, but came away from it slightly unsatisfied. The science in it seems to be based on anecdotal evidence, and where sources are identified they are from other peoples books, magazine articles, etc Some of the assertions made my eyebrows rise uncontrollably, and I felt that some statements presented as fact may not be substantiated. i felt I still need to continue my research into protein.
It was specifically excluded by name on at least 2 dietary websites I use, it was excluded from almost every other dietary site I visited including the National Osteoporosis site, and only Webmd showed it as a source.I am insterested why you discounted spinach. It doesnt have a lot of calcium but it does have 9% per 100g
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