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I found this report explained a lot I did not know about proteins
I found this report explained a lot I did not know about proteins
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What is the HF in LCHF?
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The way I look at milk is if a Vegan person doesnt eat it, then there has to be a way to get the nutrients. As for the whole Carb revolution and it being a fad diet, its been a diet for many types of people for hundreds of years. There are dietabetic cook books from the 1800s that are essentially the low carb diet. They eat Full fat foods. If you look at the one population that isnt fat but is extremely muscly (Bodybuilder in case you are guessing), you pretty much see them alternating protein and carbohydrates but few of them eat both at the same time. I am uncomfortable with eating lots of fats because just like eating lots of carbs they will make you fat if you do not burn off the calories. As to the vitamins I can see the sense in making sure you have enough Vit B6/12 and niacin and the Vit D and calcium. With the B vitamins there should be no problem with the extra meat intake because they come from meat.Possibly because these Vitamins assist with the break down of Fats (they are fat soluble too so you need fat to digest them) Vit D is the sunshine Vit that I happen to be low in so know if you are low in Vitamin D you also have a problem with Calcium got to watch you dont get too much or too little. We are also the one population that eat greens as they are low carb and high in calcium - broccoli cabbage, sprouts, we shouldnt have a problem so long as we are eating our greens. Another good source of calcium is the nuts we eat. Almond milk has 45% calcium compared to Cows milk at 12% so we are getting plenty there too if we are eating the nuts. A micronutrient balanced diet is possible without carbohydrates put simply we just need to make sure we follow the same rules, drink milk - in our case nut milks, eat veg, be healthy.
I knew I knew about Vitamin Bs for Vegans, its nutritional yeast aka marmite love it or loath it, its good for you if you dont eat meat.
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Im odd too, I research everything I can to understand whats going on lol
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Giggles NUTS!
http://www.almonds.co.uk/sites/default/files/content/Tree Nut Nutrient Comparison Chart Web File.pdf
Nutrient breakdown for various nuts if people want to know
Nutrient breakdown for various nuts if people want to know
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I used to be a Design engineer designing control systems for warships, submarines, trains and planes, so most of my adult life has been concerned with safety. I soon learnt that you cannot take anything for granted, and although you can minimise the risk to almost zero, there will come a day when something you forgot to query comes up and bites you in the proverbial. i have learnt not to take things on faith, but to question eveything from all angles that i can. this is why people find me nerdy and pedantic in my postings. i need to see the truth come out. i need to understand what makes things tick.
If you go on holiday, there is a strong posibility that some system I designed or built is controlling some aspect of your journey. i hope I asked the right questions and did my job properly. I hope to ask the right questions here so that our journey is a little bit safer and that the understanding of whats in front of us is clearer.
I was a software engineer.Not as dangerous as you if I got it wrong or missed something but still learnt to ask a lot of questions first before I programmed the wrong thing.
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For most nutrients, you don't need to eat bucket loads to get enough to be a decent healthy dose.
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Aside from my early postgrad years, when I was a clinician in the NHS and a bit of private sector work too (Yes, one of those pariahs), most of my working life, I have dealt in Risk. Although I specialised in Change, as I worked in regulated environments, my Risk Management skills were always well honed.
Whilst I can see why you would want to carefully manage risk, refining to "no risk" is a risk in itself.
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I agree that if a combination of events can happen ,however weird or rare, then one day it will happen, and we still need to have a plan in place to mitigate against it if we can, The problem is that the rarer the possibility, the cost of mitugation becomes too high, and management pull the plug. Many times I had arguments with them up there about something and had to step back. In one unfortunate case i had to attend a board of inquiry and demonstrate that we lost an aircraft probably because of a double failure that had been undetected. in this case one of the failures was in the detection circuit itself. The phrase who tests the testers? comes to mind. We have to decide where to draw the line and it is always a compromise. The main thing is that it needs to be considered, and the outcome decision recorded. Hence this thread.
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Hi, i read this report, but came away from it slightly unsatisfied. The science in it seems to be based on anecdotal evidence, and where sources are identified they are from other peoples books, magazine articles, etc Some of the assertions made my eyebrows rise uncontrollably, and I felt that some statements presented as fact may not be substantiated. i felt I still need to continue my research into protein.
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I think I can finally pass my title of "Pedant of the Universe" on to a worthy recipient. Cherish it. I've looked after well for years.
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A very good and well written report. I am going to have to read it a few times to make sure I understand it. Thank you for sharing it here. I certainly came away from my first pass feeling positive about its conclusions. What is interesting is that it is a report from a respected financial investment bank (I think thats still true) and is aimed at investors. it covers trends and changes in agric chemical land and hence how commodities are already being affected by this new 'technology'. This is serious stuff, and shows that this diet has far reaching effects for business and the money markets not just the health benefits.
It is a slightly quirky report though since it is difficult to see who the target audience is. it has a very high and specialised technical data content, way above the heads of the average businessman or financial investor. it could be aimed at HCP's, but what do they care about commodities? it could be aimed at the food manufacturers, but then they don't need the technical stuff at this level, Food retailers and the catering industry need the commodity trend data, but again not the nitty gritty techno speak.
I am baffled as to who Credit Suisse are aiming this report to? it does not detract from the content though which is well presented.
Thank you again for this, it is quite comprehensive.
I am insterested why you discounted spinach. It doesnt have a lot of calcium but it does have 9% per 100g
I treated it as a starting point. Answered some of my questions and threw up a pile more.
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Here you go:
Why Spinach is Not a Great Calcium Source
Although spinach has a lot of good stuff going for it, it’s not a great source of calcium.
Not all food-based calcium is well-absorbed. Spinach, for example, contains quite a bit of calcium but it also contains a lot of oxalates. These natural compounds bind with calcium and make it very difficult for your body to get at it. Although spinach has a lot of good stuff going for it, it’s not a great source of calcium. In fact, because the oxalates in spinach can bind to the calcium in other foods as well, it can even keep you from getting as much calcium from the foods that you eat with it. Unless you never eat calcium-rich foods except with spinach, this is not a big deal—just something to keep in mind.
taken from here:
http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/what-are-the-best-sources-of-calcium
(quite an interesting article for a number of reasons)
Why Spinach is Not a Great Calcium Source
Although spinach has a lot of good stuff going for it, it’s not a great source of calcium.
Not all food-based calcium is well-absorbed. Spinach, for example, contains quite a bit of calcium but it also contains a lot of oxalates. These natural compounds bind with calcium and make it very difficult for your body to get at it. Although spinach has a lot of good stuff going for it, it’s not a great source of calcium. In fact, because the oxalates in spinach can bind to the calcium in other foods as well, it can even keep you from getting as much calcium from the foods that you eat with it. Unless you never eat calcium-rich foods except with spinach, this is not a big deal—just something to keep in mind.
taken from here:
http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/what-are-the-best-sources-of-calcium
(quite an interesting article for a number of reasons)
