What rise is acceptable 2 hours after eating?

[Lamont D]

@Clivethedrive, I'd be interested in seeing the source of your 6.8 as well as I've only ever seen 7.8 quoted (and of course non-diabetics often go above 6.8 naturally).

I'm going to try and be diplomatic here, if I can!

How can you quote what non diabetics blood glucose levels do.
It is the average, initially used at diagnosis that determines how diabetes is treated and of course diagnosed.
Non diabetics, like myself!!!! Can't do that!
Non diabetics who have normal blood glucose levels do not need to worry how there levels affect them because their metabolism is normal.
Of course non diabetics blood glucose levels rise and fall normally depending how much they have eaten and drank.

 

[tim2000s]

I'm going to try and be diplomatic here, if I can!

How can you quote what non diabetics blood glucose levels do.

Of course non diabetics blood glucose levels rise and fall normally depending how much they have eaten and drank.

Exactly. Therefore stating that damage occurs above 6.8 seems odd, especially when you review the CGM graphs that non-Ds have had which show regular excursions above this level, but not so many above 7.8.

 

[Clivethedrive]

@Clivethedrive, I'd be interested in seeing the source of your 6.8 as well as I've only ever seen 7.8 quoted (and of course non-diabetics often go above 6.8 naturally).

Hi, please see dr r bernsteins diabetes solution page45 " blood sugars,the non diabetic versus the diabetic to page 47.
Please also see jenny ruhl's diet 101 page 14 " but the doctor says my blood is normal" here she explains how and why and the consequences of slightly higher bs levels and what these lead too.

 

[auburn]

Further to BeanGate yesterday, where I had a rise of +6.8 after my breakfast....

Morning BG - 10.5
Breakfast - cuppa tea, beans, ham.
+2 hrs BG - 11.8 (much happier with this!)

That's much better, it must be the allegedly low-carb-toast and beans combination rather than just the beans!

 

[Pinkorchid]

Beans and a poached egg, with a slice of home made low carb bread. I think I am ok with the bread, as that hasn't had much of an impact on my readings, but I'd read mixed reactions to beans. Looks like I'm probably in the "no" camp, which is a shame.. Its odd, you feel like you're doing good following the "eat well" plate idea, and looks like their balanced meal is actually one of the worst things I could have - I'd be better off with a bag of maltesers!

Some people will recommend beans and pulses others will say don't touch them but it is really down to what you can eat as we all react differently to foods so it is all trial and error

 

[Sirmione]

Check the label Rice Crispies are sugar and other carbs, bound not only to cause a rapid rise in BGL but also maintain it high for hours.
The breakfast cereal that is lowest in sugar by a very large margin is the original Weatabix but it still very high in carbohydrates.

 

[Mike d]

Further to BeanGate yesterday, where I had a rise of +6.8 after my breakfast....

Morning BG - 10.5
Breakfast - cuppa tea, beans, ham.
+2 hrs BG - 11.8 (much happier with this!)

That's much better, it must be the allegedly low-carb-toast and beans combination rather than just the beans!

See what happens? Keep goin' @auburn

Just another lesson along the long road of dealing with it. As an esteemed member on this board has in his signature, @NoCrbs4Me "wheat is murder". And for me and many others, that is exactly what it is.

 

[Diamattic]

Hi, please see dr r bernsteins diabetes solution page45 " blood sugars,the non diabetic versus the diabetic to page 47.
Please also see jenny ruhl's diet 101 page 14 " but the doctor says my blood is normal" here she explains how and why and the consequences of slightly higher bs levels and what these lead too.

Thanks for trying, I do not have access to this book.. Do you know if he sites his sources that he used in the book? All of this 6.8 business should have come from some research that was conducted that yielded peer reviewed published results, not just something that 1 doctor has said in his book.

The reason i ask is that i know non-diabetics have levels above 6.8 for short periods (like an hour or so after certain meals), and that there is a list of very common medications that will elevate blood sugar levels up above 7/8 for the entire course of use.

 

[Clivethedrive]

Thanks for trying, I do not have access to this book.. Do you know if he sites his sources that he used in the book? All of this 6.8 business should have come from some research that was conducted that yielded peer reviewed published results, not just something that 1 doctor has said in his book.

The reason i ask is that i know non-diabetics have levels above 6.8 for short periods (like an hour or so after certain meals), and that there is a list of very common medications that will elevate blood sugar levels up above 7/8 for the entire course of use.

Hi diamattic,both books can be obtained from amazon , and yes they quote the source of their information .

 

[Dan87]

Further to BeanGate yesterday, where I had a rise of +6.8 after my breakfast....

Morning BG - 10.5
Breakfast - cuppa tea, beans, ham.
+2 hrs BG - 11.8 (much happier with this!)

That's much better, it must be the allegedly low-carb-toast and beans combination rather than just the beans!

Personally beans cause high blood sugars for me, however I can't see why one piece of toast (which must be less than 20g of carbs), would cause a problem. Have you thought about trying the toast with poached eggs or ham to see if your blood sugar levels are lower? Surely 2 hours after the meal they should be much lower than 11.8? (I'm type 1 and would have an extra shot of insulin on top of my normal ratio if I was 10.5 pre-meal), this would normally mean my levels would drop to around 7-8 2 hours after the meal if they were 10.5 before it.

 

[Diamattic]

I agree with Dan, Beans are much worse then toast lol Toast is predictable and fast, and dissipates quickly. Beans however, i find don't even begin to affect my BS until 2 hours, and then raise it slowly over the next 2-3 hours :/ I would certainly bolus for the full amount of beans, and then check my sugars again at 4 hours post meal to see if the beans kicked in late or not.

 

[Lamont D]

Isn't it the sauce, that's the problem, not the bean itself?

I can have a few, without problems, as long as I strain and reheat in microwave!

Wheat is murder, grains are the real baddies!

 

[Jaylee]

Isn't it the sauce, that's the problem, not the bean itself?

I can have a few, without problems, as long as I strain and reheat in microwave!

Wheat is murder, grains are the real baddies!

Hi Nosher, I would concur that the sauce is the cause of a more imediate spike.. But then I tend not to touch em!

Bloods? Pre meal ideally 4.5. Post (2 hour'sh on.) no higher than 7.5'sh mmol.. I've tested my non D wife for the hell of it. That's how she rolls.. Even with a desert!

 

[Lamont D]

Hi Nosher, I would concur that the sauce is the cause of a more imediate spike.. But then I tend not to touch em!

Bloods? Pre meal ideally 4.5. Post (2 hour'sh on.) no higher than 7.5'sh mmol.. I've tested my non D wife for the hell of it. That's how she rolls.. Even with a desert!

That's fairly good! You really want to aim for 2mmols if possible!

 

[Sirmione]

That the time of the test is the standard 2 hours after the end of the meal is important. I found taking it 15 minutes too soon can make a big difference to the result.

 

[Lamont D]

As long as it is done regularly after two hours and wether it's first bite or end of meals, you can create a record that can give you real information to what you are eating.

I personally use first bite, because of the saliva stimulation of my metabolism!

 

[Jaylee]

That's fairly good! You really want to aim for 2mmols if possible!

Funny you mention that..! On this particular occaision (I posted this up way way back on another thread based on this subject.)
I decided to test the wife & I, pre meal. We both weighed in at around the 4.5 & then post meal I scored 6.8 while my non D wife got a 7.4.. Now I could see the coggs turning behind her eyes. With a hint of worry. (She's a "swan".) But by this time I also could see the wife's demolished bag of raisins covered in chocolate sculking by her laptop... Lol

 

[Ray Cobber]

Hi I just joined. In 1996 I found out from angiogram blockages in my heart, 30% on left, 2 x 40% in the middle and at the end of the right side 85%. I have been having medication from my heart specialist and an exercise stress test once a year on a bike with and ECG. I found out I had type 2 diabetes in 2004 from a test showed high levels of protein in my urine and a diabetes test. I have taken all my diabetes medication but I haven’t watched enough what I ate. I had another angiogram about three weeks back & my heart specialist told me last Tuesday I have 100% blockages on the left with some blood getting through from the other two via veins. The other two have a lot of blockages with each having a 70% blockage. I’m now waiting to be accessed to see if the surgeons can perform a triple bypass etc. I now realise I should have closely watched my diet more closely and had more regular testing with my blood Glucose meter.

 

[bulkbiker]

Hi I just joined. In 1996 I found out from angiogram blockages in my heart, 30% on left, 2 x 40% in the middle and at the end of the right side 85%. I have been having medication from my heart specialist and an exercise stress test once a year on a bike with and ECG. I found out I had type 2 diabetes in 2004 from a test showed high levels of protein in my urine and a diabetes test. I have taken all my diabetes medication but I haven’t watched enough what I ate. I had another angiogram about three weeks back & my heart specialist told me last Tuesday I have 100% blockages on the left with some blood getting through from the other two via veins. The other two have a lot of blockages with each having a 70% blockage. I’m now waiting to be accessed to see if the surgeons can perform a triple bypass etc. I now realise I should have closely watched my diet more closely and had more regular testing with my blood Glucose meter.

Hi Ray and welcome
You have inadvertently added your post to the end of quite an old thread so it may not get much response. Maybe start a new post (click the green "start a new post" button in one of the newbies/introduction areas and you'll get better results)

 

[pollensa]

Hi

I am just starting testing, and was was wondering, when I test 2 hours after I eat, what rise is acceptable.

So, I tested rice crispies today and went from 7.5 to 14.3 which is a big No.

But yesterday, I had dinner and went from 5.2 - 8.9. This seems like a significant rise, But as it is below 10(and close to 8.5), do i take that as being a success? partial success? or is it still too much of a rise?


I have read about levels, but just looking for a rough idea, on how much of a rise means that food is going to be ok?

Ren

Absolutely, certainly a good test, as I would imagine Rice Crispies would be one amongst one of the highest forms of carbs, the result of the tests seems to speak volumes and says it all, rice Crispies anytime are a No No for us all?