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Hi,
been diabetic for 6 months
on metformin 1000 twice a day,
doctor and all nurses say its very rare for some one like me to get diabetes, as im fit, 11 stone, not in family, an I don't eat much sweets etc.

anyway I've changed what I eat no sugar more fiber etc (ive seen a dietitian ) and eat all the time 3-5 meals a day. And I'm loosing weight, I've gone from 11.5 to 10 stone no matter how much i eat I keep loosing weight, should I see the doctor?

Also I just had bowel of pasta an my reading as 22 mmol which I think is high?if all my readings are higher then 7 shouldnt I take metformin 3 times a day?
Whats a ok / good mmol reading? 5-7? mine is always 15.
Isnt this werid that my readings are always over 15 when my HbA1c was first 75 and now 52?
 
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Welcome @flashgordon12345

@daisy1 will send you an information pack well worth reading.

Its great to see that you have a meter. The levels you report are very high so I suggest you cut back on Pasta, Potato, Bread, Rice as these are things that quickly raise your levels.

Test each morning before eating as this becomes your benchmark to see if you are progressing or if you need to take further action. Post them on here to get feedback. I have found this place to be a godsend so use it to ask any questions you have
 
@flashgordon12345

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful in controlling your levels. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
My first suggestion would be to adopt a very low carbohydrate diet and see if your blood glucose levels normalise. If they don't come down, especially if you are losing weight without deliberate dieting, then it would be wise to ask your doctor to test you for LADA/Type 1.5.
 
thanks for your reply, I just tested when I woke up an my mmo was 14.1 when I eat wholegram cereal an hour later with 1000mg met was 20mmol.

you say above
Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
so my resting mmol at 14 is very high
 
Wholegrain cereal is packed full of carbs. I'm not surprised your levels got higher. As Indy has said you need to try a very low carb diet which would mean cutting out pasta and cereals. Have a look at these links:-

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

I appreciate this is very different advice from that which the dietician has given you, but the message to eat wholegrain carbs is erroneous. Like Indy, I tend to think that you may well be T1.5 and not T2 at all. Ask your GP for a GAD test to make sure, but in the meantime low carb is the way to go.
 
Hi,
been diabetic for 6 months
on metformin 1000 twice a day,
doctor and all nurses say its very rare for some one like me to get diabetes, as im fit, 11 stone, not in family, an I don't eat much sweets etc.

anyway I've changed what I eat no sugar more fiber etc (ive seen a dietitian ) and eat all the time 3-5 meals a day. And I'm loosing weight, I've gone from 11.5 to 10 stone no matter how much i eat I keep loosing weight, should I see the doctor?

Also I just had bowel of pasta an my reading as 22 mmol which I think is high?if all my readings are higher then 7 shouldnt I take metformin 3 times a day?
Whats a ok / good mmol reading? 5-7? mine is always 15.
Isnt this werid that my readings are always over 15 when my HbA1c was first 75 and now 52?

Most dieticians suggest diabetics eat plenty "good carbohydrates", but in my experience both good and bad carbohydrates pretty much equal ugly carbohydrates in my world. I now take the physical bulk of my carbs from vegetables and pass on the bread, pasta,and most potatoes and rice. Many newly diagnosed diabetics also find the have to forsake potatoes and rice, at least initially.

In your shoes, I'd have another look at what I was eating, as that is our biggest weapon against diabetes, trim back the carbs, and if still no improvement, ask my Doc to investigate the potential for other types of diabetes, which may need a bit more support than diet alone can give you.

Good luck with it all.
 
As you read through these forums,especially the low carb and nutrition food and recipes forums you see members have reduced and sometimes reversed there diabetes by following the LowCarb diet ,eat to your meter and find the foods that spike your BG then leave them out of your diet ,remember it's your health to lose not your dietician , so take control ,I heard there are some good ones but think it is just a rumour
 
Ahem to that. We are told that the body NEEDS carbs to function....and consume well in excess if what is 'required' sadly many people are not able to handle this, hence DB for one. The body adapts by utilising fat stores ( old news) and even protein, albeit in a more abstract manner. I would echo the comments about the carb consumption.
I wish you well.
 
Hi. From what you say it is quite possible you are a late onset T1 (LADA) and not T2. Losing weight unexpectedly is one very common symptom of LADA as the pancreas doesn't produce enough insulin to use the carbs you eat. You must keep the carbs down in your diet and discuss T1 tests with the GP. There are further tablets such as Gliclazide and Sitagliptin plus others that can help. The GP and nurse are wrong to say that someone like yourself shouldn't become diabetic but the medical profession has only recently started to recognise LADA. Many or even most of us have little or no family history of diabetes and we are often very fit. I was slim at diagnosis and always have been and had been going to the gym 3 times a week and no family history. My T2 diagnosis proved to be wrong and am yet another LADA.
 
I agree with @Indy51 and @Daibell above. Go back to your doctor and demand action and tests. Get a GAD and C-Peptide test. Don't let them fob you off as oral medication will be of little use if you are T1/LADA. I would also get them to test your ketone levels to make sure you are not in danger. Don't delay go back and get checked and if you start to feel very unwell before your appointment go to A&E
 
Totally agree with Andrew. To be losing weight with BG levels that high sounds like LADA. That's what happened to me: my body had begun to eat itself because my BGs were so high it couldn't access any energy. It would have ended in DKA. *Don't* be fobbed off, demand a GAD antibody test immediately to see if you have antibodies to your own insulin. If so, you are Type 1.5/LADA and you need access to insulin.

Read around on the T 1.5 sub-forum. But don't delay: insist on the test. Drink lots of water and as Andrew says, if you start to feel unwell, esp vomiting, go straight to A&E and get them to check for ketoacidosis.

Not to alarm you, but you're at risk.
 
I agree with the folks above to ask your doctor for further tests.

I had the same problem, I had normal BMI, and kept losing weight and lacked so much energy. Kept on eating all kinds of food, especially carbs, to try to regain my weight, but it kept on slipping, and I still had no energy.

Finally got diagnosed, and given an insulin drip to immediately lower my blood sugar from 18 to around 6, they also took some blood for a blood test. They gave me 2 500mg Metformin daily before my next appointment in 3 days. At the next visit, doctor tested and my blood sugar had jumped back to 11. He read my blood test results, found my pancreas still produced some insulin, and added 30mg of Diamicron MR (gliclazide). From then on, everything was fine, with lower carb diet and exercise too.

I'm not losing weight anymore, although I'm at the lower range of the proper BMI. I like it at this weight now, and sometimes gain 0.5kg but exercise takes it away.
 
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