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What to eat for breakfast that has carbs but will not cause BG spikes

Hi. Did anyone suggest eggs and bacon which I have. Do ensure you have enough protein and fats to keep you feeling full with the carbs you do have.
 
DiabeticJim said:
This morning I had one sachet of oat so simple
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Those type of oats are highly refined, they are well known to cause bg spikes.

What I have 6 mornings out of 7 is jumbo oats, I add a mixture of milk and water and when the oats are nearly cooked I add some linseeds, pumpkin & sunflower seeds and a handful of frozen blueberries, when I pour it out into the bowl I mix in a generous helping of natural greek yogurt (Lidl own is delicious and great value for money).

The fats in the seeds together with the yogurt help reduce the spike but I still bolus 20mins before, its a great nutritious meal and a good start to the day and keeps me full to lunch.
 
@noblehead beat me to it! I was just going to say that many of those processed quick cook oat cereals get absorbed quickly.

There's no need to go low carb for breakfast if you don't want to. Cereal can work as long as you choose types that work for you and bolus enough in advance. I eat a mix of good quality granola, All Bran, Shreddies, etc mixed with some seeds and I have it with full fat milk. I always, always weigh my cereal and that means I'm sure im having the same amount. Doing it by eye is inaccurate. It's a matter of experimenting with the cereals to see what suits you. As an example, for me Shredded Wheat can cause a spike even though in theory it looks a healthier option than granola. Anything with some fibre and fat mixed in can help too, so bran or similar, grated coconut, seeds, whole milk, etc

Other carb options are toast and eggs/cheese/veg. Again, find a bread that works for you. I like rye bread.

I also have a croissant with ham and melted cheese in.

Another thing I do is eat as soon as I get up. If I delay breakfast, I find my Dawn Phenomenon kicks off and puts my blood sugar up very quickly. If I have to delay, I either eat something small and bolus, or have a tiny amount of insulin and no food.
 
I have my bolus, wait 15 mins or so while I drink my tea, then have some granola with yoghurt and fruit. No spike. Maybe bolusing earlier would work for you?
 
I have three rounds of burden soya and linseed bread, 33g carbs for 3 slices. I normally have that with eggs / bacon / 97% sausage. Definitely going to try the protein bread. Especially as they've just opened a waitrose in town!!
 
Nipped into Sainsbury's on the way to work this morning and found this:



Looks like the carbs are pretty good per slice:



Might be good for toast!
 
Try one Weetabix with top of full fat milk and blueberries, raspberries, nuts and seeds topped with a sprinkle of cinnamon. It doesn't spike me but two would. The fruit is diabetic friendly. Worth a try.
 
Lindyloo said:
Try one Weetabix with top of full fat milk and blueberries, raspberries, nuts and seeds topped with a sprinkle of cinnamon. It doesn't spike me but two would. The fruit is diabetic friendly. Worth a try.
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I get the same with bread - one slice is fine as it keeps the carbs down but two slices and it's game over
 
Sorry to talk about something else, but I'm on humalog and inject every time I eat a lot for a big meal not so much for a small meal but I have gone out and lost my pen forgotten it, reading this thread has shown me that may be a pump could be a better idea. If I have frosties with 6 units my sugar will be the same 2 hours after, 6 toast 10 units, but porridge I need 12 units or more ( frosties work for me trial and error keep trying different ones until you get the one and amout you need to suit ) (- don't have a large bowl mind LOL
 
Special K protein works for me, I feel full for longer on the protein but get the carb loading for sport
 
I am baffled, I thought I was getting on well with Diabetic terms but now I have found a new language, what is Bolus, and BG Spikes? you may think I am backward but please enlighten me.
 
hello,
i have ceral with FULL FAT milk if you have any other milk it makes it spike, weird right!! my mumhas been experimenting with the brakfast spike and now she has figured it out
aimee
 
cyril.rayner said:
I am baffled, I thought I was getting on well with Diabetic terms but now I have found a new language, what is Bolus, and BG Spikes? you may think I am backward but please enlighten me.
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Not a extensive list by any means but the following should help:

  • Amylin (Islet Amyloid Polypeptide) - Slows the rate at which digested carbohydrate appears as glucose in the blood and thus reduces total insulin demand
  • Basal - referred to as the slow acting insulin used to cover your bodies own glucose stores
  • Beta cells - Pancreatic cells responsible for the production of insulin, amylin and C-peptide
  • BG - blood glucose (this is the measurement of glucose circulating in the blood)
  • Biphasic insulin - An insulin mixture containing both fast acting and slow acting insulin, usually injected twice daily
  • Bolus - referred to as the fast acting insulin used to cover food, typically carbohydrates, some cover for protein as well.
  • BP - Blood Pressure
  • Brittle diabetes (labile diabetes) - Most often seen in type 1
  • BS - blood sugar (as above)
  • CHO - Carbohydrate (Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen)
  • C-peptide - A by-product of normal insulin production
  • CTS - Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
  • CVD - Cardiovascular Disease
  • Double diabetes - Comprises symptoms of both type 1 and type 2 diabetes
  • DSN - Diabetic Specialist Nurse
  • ED- Erectile Disorder
  • FS - Frozen Shoulder
  • Fulminant type 1 - An idiopathic subtype which has a very rapid onset and no honeymoon period
  • G.I - Glycemic index. A G.I value tells you how rapidly a particular carbohydrate is turned
  • G.L - Glycemic load. A G.L value takes into account not only G.I, but also the total quantity
  • GAD (Glutamic Acid Decarboxylase) - Antibodies test
  • GDM - Gestational Diabetes Mellitus
  • Glucagon - A hormone produced in the alpha cells of the pancreas
  • Glycogen - The storage form of glucose in animals and humans
  • Glycogenesis - Glucose storage, mainly in the liver and muscles
  • Glycogenolysis - The breaking down of glycogen stores in liver and muscle tissue
  • GNG (Gluconeogenesis) - The generation of glucose from non-carbohydrate carbon substrates
  • HBA1C - HbA1c is the scientific shorthand for Glycosylated Haemoglobin
  • HCP/HP - Health care professional
  • HDL - High Density Lipoprotein (the "good" cholesterol)
  • Honeymoon period - The period of time after a diagnosis of type 1 diabetes when there is better than expected blood glucose control
  • Hypo - hypoglycaemia (this means blood sugar level is too low)
  • Insulin - A hormone which causes most of the body's cells to take up glucose from the blood
  • Insulin analogues - Genetically altered versions of insulin
  • Insulin antibodies - An immune response to exogenous(injected) insulin
  • Insulin resistance - Normal amounts of insulin are inadequate to produce a normal insulin level.
  • Ketoacidosis - A severe accumulation of keto acids in the blood, resulting in acidosis
  • Ketones - Ketone bodies are acids left over as a byproduct of ketosis
  • Ketosis - A process in which your body converts fats into energy
  • Lantus - Long-acting insulin analogue used as a basal(background) insulin. Normally injected
  • LDL - Low Density Lipoprotein (the "bad" cholesterol)
  • Levemir - Long-acting insulin analogue used as a basal(background) insulin.
  • LHB (Local Health Board) Welsh equivalent of a PCT (Primary Care Trust)
  • Liver dump - The common term given to glucose production from the liver
  • Low-carb diet - A proportional reduction of dietary carbohydrate
  • MDI - Multiple Daily Injections - an insulin regimen adopted by the majority of type 1 diabetics
  • MODY - Maturity Onset Diabetes of the Young refers to a number of dominantly inherited, monogenic defects of insulin secretion. There are currently eight different varieties of MODY
  • Nephropathy - Damage to or disease of the kidneys
  • NICE - National Institute for Clinical Health and Excellence
  • NSF - National Strategic Framework
  • PCT - Primary Care Trust
  • Peripheral neuropathy - Damage to the nerves of the peripheral nervous system
  • PP - post prandial (this means a period of time after eating, usually recorded as 2 hours but often 1)
  • Pump - Insulin Pump, used as an alternative insulin delivery method to MDI. The pump is connected to you 24/7 and pumps tiny doses of insulin thorought the day, with the ability to give extra doses at meals times and with snacks.
  • Retinopathy - Non-inflammatory damage to the retina of the eye
  • SHA - Strategic Health Authority
  • Somogyi effect (rebound hyperglycemia) - A high blood sugar (hyperglycemia)
  • TG or Trigs Triglycerides - the main component part of VLDL and a significant cause of strokes and heart attacks
  • Type 1 (autoimmune) - The most common form of type 1 diabetes
  • Type 1 (idiopathic) - All forms of type 1 which occur without a known cause
  • Type 1 (surgical) - Diabetes caused by partial or complete removal of the pancreas
  • Type 1.5 - Latent Autoimmune Diabetes in Adults (LADA), also known as slow onset type 1
  • Type 2 - Diabetes mellitus type 2 is most often attributed to insulin resistance and relative
  • VLDL - Very Low Density Lipoprotein (the "very bad" cholesterol)
  • Young-onset type 2 - Anyone diagnosed with type 2 under the age of 45 is considered young
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-jargon.html
 
I can't tolerate any carbs in the morning or lunch time, BS is uncontrollable and I end up high despite my best efforts. I go for sardines or chicken strips with celery sticks for breakfast very boring but keeps me flat lining. In the evening I can eat a higher carb intake and can control it due to improved insulin sensitivity.

A couple of years ago I was eating soya flakes with almond milk(or soya milk), still low cab but gave me the feeling of a 'normal cereal type breakfast'. Ended up ditching it because it took too long to digest and couldn't go running in the morning.
 
Have you tried some of the Paleo cereals that don't contain wheat and grain based products. They are expensive but eaten with full fat (whole milk) or even better jersey milk, it's the one cereal I could tolerate as a type 2 (I don't normally comment on Type 1 stuff but thought this might be relevant). They tend to be full of nuts and seeds and have less sugar(they use maple syrup or honey) but are delicious. Looking at your lunch plate I'm not surprised you were hungry afterwards as there is not nearly enough good fats in there to keep you full. Add avocado and some olives, ensure any yoghurt you use is full fat (low fat ones are stuffed with sugar). If you must have porridge i'd agree that you need to use the unprocessed oats and eat with full fat milk. Anything with wheat in seems to spike most people a lot so a fry up without or just a very small amount of bread (try frying the bread in the bacon fat - yum!) can be a better bet.
I can understand your reluctance to go low carb but I did and it's the best thing I've done for my fitness and running - no carb crashes, never hit the wall as I'm fuelled by fat. I can decide to go running at any time of day and I still feel great before or after meals. Since going LCHF and adding HIITs exercises I've gone from someone who could not run 100yards to training for my first ever 10k in July at age over 50! And lost over a stone in weight (just from the diet without even trying even before I took up the running) and lipid profile, HBa1c etc improved greatly.
 
Try a "super bolus": Take fifty percent of your basal rate for the three-hours following your breakfast (set your pump for 50% Temporary basal rate for three hours). Take that 50% that you have just subtracted from your basal rate and ADD it to the bolus for your breakfast, just before you press the button to deliver the bolus. Bingo! that is all it takes. You get enough insulin to hit the spike, but you reduce the 'tail' that would usually cause a hypo three hours later by taking the 'tail' off the basal rate.

I do that regularly. And i refuse to give up carbs for the same reasons.
 
Wow, I'm going to try that next time I'm near some cake....!
 
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