When it all gets to much?

[buckley8219]

Have to pop your bubble I'm afraid as I didn't start on the Gabapentin till three years into my spinal problems.
Within weeks of starting it I ballooned.
I'm now the least active I've ever been but have lost three stone whilst being inactive ... ish.

Many people are posting on this thread that they were able to lose weight when they low carbed, changed their diet and eating habits, e.g. taking responsibility, educating themselves and improving their own outcomes.

Yet before they chose to do that, weight gain is the fault of the NHS guidelines, food manufacturers, medicines etc etc etc etc.

Surely reinforcing my point that when people take personal responsibility, they see positive outcomes? You were gaining weight you took action, you lost the weight... That's fantastic and it's what more people need to be doing. Not proportioning blame elsewhere.

I'm not trying to be deliberately offensive or personal but I still argue it is not possible to gain weight continually in the absence of calories, no cherry picked research of poor methodology will prove the laws of thermodynamics wrong.

I also still believe if there was greater personal responsibility, education in nutrition etc we'd see a drop in cases of Type 2.

 

[ButtterflyLady]

Many people are posting on this thread that they were able to lose weight when they low carbed, changed their diet and eating habits, e.g. taking responsibility, educating themselves and improving their own outcomes.

Yet before they chose to do that, weight gain is the fault of the NHS guidelines, food manufacturers, medicines etc etc etc etc.

Surely reinforcing my point that when people take personal responsibility, they see positive outcomes? You were gaining weight you took action, you lost the weight... That's fantastic and it's what more people need to be doing. Not proportioning blame elsewhere.

I'm not trying to be deliberately offensive or personal but I still argue it is not possible to gain weight continually in the absence of calories, no cherry picked research of poor methodology will prove the laws of thermodynamics wrong.

I also still believe if there was greater personal responsibility, education in nutrition etc we'd see a drop in cases of Type 2.

We're not saying people gain weight in the absence of calories. That's a strawman argument. Obviously overeating causes obesity but what I have argued is that something happens physiologically before the overeating. You refuse to consider the evidence supporting that argument; fine. But don't misrepresent the argument. That's bad form.

Education and somehow getting people to take greater personal responsibility (while their bodies are driving appetite) won't reduce T2, which hasn't increased as much as obesity itself has. If obesity was the main driver of T2, then they would have both increased at the same rate.

Trying to convince you that your ideas are incorrect is wearying and almost certainly pointless. There's not really anything else to say.

 

[photognut]

Many people are posting on this thread that they were able to lose weight when they low carbed, changed their diet and eating habits, e.g. taking responsibility, educating themselves and improving their own outcomes.

Yet before they chose to do that, weight gain is the fault of the NHS guidelines, food manufacturers, medicines etc etc etc etc.

Surely reinforcing my point that when people take personal responsibility, they see positive outcomes? You were gaining weight you took action, you lost the weight... That's fantastic and it's what more people need to be doing. Not proportioning blame elsewhere.

I'm not trying to be deliberately offensive or personal but I still argue it is not possible to gain weight continually in the absence of calories, no cherry picked research of poor methodology will prove the laws of thermodynamics wrong.

I also still believe if there was greater personal responsibility, education in nutrition etc we'd see a drop in cases of Type 2.

Ok, let me play devils advocate with you.

As a heart patient I am told that saturated fat clogs up my arteries, eat low fat, eat carbs - the deliverance of such information is so strong from the medical profession that you have no other thoughts than you will die if you don't eat their well plate or take their meds.

So, allot of people can't actually take personal responsibility for their own health, because they are busy being responsible to what the health care providers have taught them! I adopted a low carb high fat diet to regain control over my glucose levels, which in turn has resulted in weight loss along with normal blood levels. The lifestyle change I have adopted, if the health system is correct, should now equate to me having a massive coronary event. Would you like to now re-think and include other factors into your narrow field of view, realising that overweight people with compromised health and life threatening conditions have allot to be afraid of from advice, medication and people who need to become better read.

 

[Alzebra]

I also still believe if there was greater education in nutrition we'd see a drop in cases of Type 2.

Since you seem intent on not hearing what we've been trying to tell you I've picked out the salient words in your own post and am now happy to say I completely agree with you. As long as I willfully ignore the NHS, my own GP and DSN I believe I can keep my BG at non-diabetic levels. I know that wouldn't be seen as 'responsible' by the mainstream media or the rest of the T2 haters, but I'm past caring now.

 

[JTL]

Many people are posting on this thread that they were able to lose weight when they low carbed, changed their diet and eating habits, e.g. taking responsibility, educating themselves and improving their own outcomes.

Yet before they chose to do that, weight gain is the fault of the NHS guidelines, food manufacturers, medicines etc etc etc etc.

Surely reinforcing my point that when people take personal responsibility, they see positive outcomes? You were gaining weight you took action, you lost the weight... That's fantastic and it's what more people need to be doing. Not proportioning blame elsewhere.

I'm not trying to be deliberately offensive or personal but I still argue it is not possible to gain weight continually in the absence of calories, no cherry picked research of poor methodology will prove the laws of thermodynamics wrong.

I also still believe if there was greater personal responsibility, education in nutrition etc we'd see a drop in cases of Type 2.

You are wrong.
It is possible to gain weight without extra calories ... I did.
Theres a warning on the drugs for a reason.
I din't eat any different than any times in the last thirty years.
The drug said I might gain weight because of the drug not because I'd start stuffing my face!
I changed nothing apart from taking new medication.
Because of the medication I had to change my diet.

 

[buckley8219]

Yes,

Medication can alter metabolism... So you take responsibility and alter your dirt accordingly.

Reducing calories and carbs...

 

[buckley8219]

Alter diet*

 

[Gravity-Carb]

Alter diet*

.....and still get TYPE2.

 

[Daphne917]

I ate what was considered "healthy" for years - low fat, w/meal pasta, bread and rice, jacket potatoes, 5 portions of fruit per day (used to cause amusement at work when I arrived each Monday morning with apples, pears, oranges, bananas, plums etc - enough for the whole week) and veg and small amounts of cheese, cream, meat and eggs etc. I then developed T2 diabetes but was told I was eating correctly apart from poss too much fruit and the wrong b/fast ce reals so go away and lose weight and my BS will reduce! Having been unable to lose weight for years it was a big ask but I tried and it didn't work until I started taking levothyroxine for thyroid and eating less carbs and swap low fat for full fat foods. Yes I did change my diet and it has worked however if I had not researched and continued eating the way that I was advised by my medical team I probably would not have lost as much as I have and my BS would probably be as high. I may sound as though I'm saying it's not my fault but I firmly believe that I was doing all that I could and this was reinforced by the medical profession.