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Type 2 When to stop

woollygal

woollygal

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
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Coffee diabetes
So as you know I hate being in the 4s. Usually feel lousy. So I’ve been trying to force myself to stay in the 4s for as long as possible to make myself get used to them.

I’ve been in the 4s now for about an hour.
I’m currently 4.2.
I’ve had one of my hot chocolate which did nothing.

I’m hungry but determined to stay in the 4s.

But at what point do I need to eat something?
 
Eat when you are hungry. If you are not hungry then don't eat. N.B Low carb, of course.
 
Oooh just hit 3.7!! I’m impressed!

Just had a bite of sausage. I’d like to go lower but guessing I probably shouldn’t
 
This is not a competition.
 
Cana said:
Oooh just hit 3.7!! I’m impressed!

Just had a bite of sausage. I’d like to go lower but guessing I probably shouldn’t
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It’s a good way to get your body used to being lower so it is your new norm and it stops making you feel so wretched at the levels in the 4’s but like @Guzzler said, listen to the hunger signals and don’t overload your body :)
 
What are you trying to achieve by depriving yourself of food? Are you aiming for hypoglycemia?
 
Cana said:
I’m not saying it is.
I’m trying to get used to lower sugars.
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Forgive me but here's what I get from your comments.
I still feel lousy when in the 4s so I am trying to stay in the 4s to force my body to get used to it.
So, you must be feeling lousy right now but you then comment with apparent glee that you have got a reading in the 3s - so not feeling so lousy then?

You must remember that there are members here who struggle with their bg and would swap a kidney for a reading in the 4s.

Your body will appreciate time in this respect, I would advise you to use your meter in the correct way i.e do not try to make your body compete with the meter where real hunger is concerned.
 
Guzzler said:
Forgive me but here's what I get from your comments.
I still feel lousy when in the 4s so I am trying to stay in the 4s to force my body to get used to it.
So, you must be feeling lousy right now but you then comment with apparent glee that you have got a reading in the 3s - so not feeling so lousy then?

You must remember that there are members here who struggle with their bg and would swap a kidney for a reading in the 4s.

Your body will appreciate time in this respect, I would advise you to use your meter in the correct way i.e do not try to make your body compete with the meter where real hunger is concerned.
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I’m happy because o too am struggling to get my sugars in the 4s. My last reading was the same and I was really peed off. So I’m trying really hard to get them down.

But the only way I can work out to get used to the 4s is the fir e my body to cope with it.

It’s not gleeful, if I could get rid of this I would.

I hate being in the 4s so I’m trying my best to get used to it.

So yes I don’t feel great. I’m
Cold, my hands feel quite stiff, but I’m sitting at home where I don’t have to worry.

Jeez! This place really does my head in
 
Are you on any diabetes meds? Keep testing regularly if so. If not, you really shouldn’t have a true hypo. I’ve been on 48 hour only water fasts and not experienced hypoglycemia. Very low end, sure, but not at all like I had when I was on a med that caused me a low after exercise. If BG kept dropping and dropping due to no food, we’d have a lot more people dropping dead overnight:)

I think bites of food here and there may leave you hungrier in the long run, but that’s just my experience.
 
Dr Snoddy said:
What are you trying to achieve by depriving yourself of food? Are you aiming for hypoglycemia?
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Why would you suspect hypoglycemia to be the goal? That’s pretty unlikely, unless medication is involved. We have several backup systems to prevent it - glucose stores in the liver for use in the short run, and alpha cells in the pancreas producing glucagon.
 
I get Hba1cs at the top end of normal and after eating I see numbers around 6, sometimes higher sometimes lower.
I accept that is normal - normal is good. I fear no normal.
What I do not understand is pushing for BG in the 4s - you write that you want to make your body accept that as normal, but why?
 
Cana said:
I’m happy because o too am struggling to get my sugars in the 4s.
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After fasting the normal level for a non diabetic is between 4.0 and 5.4. Why are you trying to achieve the bottom of the range or below?
 
Walking Girl said:
Why would you suspect hypoglycemia to be the goal? That’s pretty unlikely, unless medication is involved. We have several backup systems to prevent it - glucose stores in the liver for use in the short run, and alpha cells in the pancreas producing glucagon.
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According to this site, hypoglycemia is defined as a blood glucose level less than 4 mmol/L which is what Cana has just achieved. Little research and monitoring has been done on people who produce too little glucagon and are therefore unable to quickly access glycogen stores in the liver. I am concerned that not eating and feeling lousy as a result is unlikely to work as a long-term strategy for controlling blood glucose levels.
 
Cana said:
So as you know I hate being in the 4s. Usually feel lousy. So I’ve been trying to force myself to stay in the 4s for as long as possible to make myself get used to them.

I’ve been in the 4s now for about an hour.
I’m currently 4.2.
I’ve had one of my hot chocolate which did nothing.

I’m hungry but determined to stay in the 4s.

But at what point do I need to eat something?
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For
Cana said:
So as you know I hate being in the 4s. Usually feel lousy. So I’ve been trying to force myself to stay in the 4s for as long as possible to make myself get used to them.

I’ve been in the 4s now for about an hour.
I’m currently 4.2.
I’ve had one of my hot chocolate which did nothing.

I’m hungry but determined to stay in the 4s.

But at what point do I need to eat something?
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Forxiga can cause low blood sugar so be careful and eat when you feel low.
 
This from the Mayo Clinic.

"
Hypoglycemia is a condition caused by a very low level of blood sugar (glucose), your body's main energy source.
Hypoglycemia is often related to the treatment of diabetes. However, a variety of conditions — many rare — can cause low blood sugar in people without diabetes. Like fever, hypoglycemia isn't a disease itself — it's an indicator of a health problem.
Immediate treatment of hypoglycemia is necessary when blood sugar levels are at 70 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL) or 3.9 millimoles per liter (mmol/L) or below. Treatment involves quick steps to get your blood sugar level back into a normal range either with high-sugar foods or drinks or with medications. Long-term treatment requires identifying and treating the underlying cause of hypoglycemia."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hypoglycemia/symptoms-causes/syc-20373685
 
Well done for good bgs especial since you've been waiting so long for them. I hope you are eating something useful as you watch this thread replies.
Once again well done on now having steady good bgs. I'm sure your food choice will be superb. Well done. :)
 
Walking Girl said:
Why would you suspect hypoglycemia to be the goal? That’s pretty unlikely, unless medication is involved. We have several backup systems to prevent it - glucose stores in the liver for use in the short run, and alpha cells in the pancreas producing glucagon.
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I have type 2, no meds. I can go under 3, and even faint. For some reason my liver only kicks in after a long time. My GP knows about it and has witnessed it happen. Bodies are weird and all different.
 
The definition of hypoglycemia appears to vary from country to country (some say under 4, but I've seen some sites saying 3.5 is fine). As a T1, I try to avoid going under 4 as much as possible, because if my body gets used to being under 4 (even if I'm still mentally alert then) I lose hypo awareness and I just can't afford to do that. Hypo awareness is vital to me. So I assume that @Cana is not on meds such as gliclazide or insulin, so the potential loss of hypo awareness is not an issue for her, she's trying to get rid of "false hypo" awareness. Fair enough.
But for T1s, and T2s on isnsulin, this would be a very bad game to play. We're all different.
 
My lowest fasting bgl was 3.9 if I recall rightly, a big feed of bacon and eggs, mushroom and tomatoes dragged it back into the fives.

It was a "what the #@$%" moment at the time, but as I felt ok so did not worry about it.
 
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