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White pasta helps lose weight? Revealed

"boycott" - withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest.

"homophobic" - having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

Does Barilla fit the definition of "Homophobic", and did they boycott anybody?

Apologises for going off topic.

It was the gay community in Italy (and worldwide) and their supporters who boycotted Barilla after the comments by the family member.
And as a gay man I would class his comments as homophobic..
The fact that they then sponsor a study to say that pasta consumption helps with weight loss was a different issue.
I was just alerting folks to their previous transgressions.
 
Barrila sauces work ok with t1 as far as it goes, our local supermarket had jars on offer @ £1, their Mediterranean sauce is just 4.3g/100g (sugars 3.8).
I find wholewheat pasta to work best, when it's boiled and cooled afore reheating to serve and has a smaller spike than white pasta, but have you ever looked thru the range of cooked pasta and the different carb values by type? our local stores fresh penne is 10g/100g carbs higher than fresh tagietelle....
 
I agree with you. Theory from book need to be tested on the body.

The amount of carb that the body can tolerate per meal is as important as the gi. The extent which the pasta is cooked will significantly affect its gi as well.
I did see a study that showed that allowing pasta and rice to cool, then reheat by boiling water removed the starch, and reduced the bgl spikes. My mum used to wash in a sieve with cold water, then immediately followed it with boiling water from the kettle. IMPORTANT NOTE: rice and pasta should not be reheated the next day so the cool and reheat cycles must be concurrent for safety.

As regards the theory you mentioned, I have seen a formal study that appeared to demonstrate that a High Carb, ultra low fat does indeed lead to diabetes control, but it was only carrried out by followers of WFPB and the 2nd Day Adventists studying the effct of their diet, and so far I have not seen a single independant study since that confirms their findings,

Indeed, Although we often see people here suggesting HCVLF diets, there are very few posting their own personal success testimonials on the site. all we seem to get is glossy sale pitches from Youtube, and plugs for the books. I remain sceptic. I can see some Insulin Dependant PWD using such diets for weight loss, but to claim reversal from T2D is pushing my credulity a bit too far,
I thought I saw a posting today making just such a claim, but I cannot find it now, It seems to have disappeared.
EDIT to correct: Found it - posted by @STARRYNIGHTS today in another thread. I have to say this is a rare event, and the first I recollect seeing on this Forum
 
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I did see a study that showed that allowing pasta and rice to cool, then reheat by boiling water removed the starch, and reduced the bgl spikes. My mum used to wash in a sieve with cold water, then immediately followed it with boiling water from the kettle. IMPORTANT NOTE: rice and pasta should not be reheated the next day so the cool and reheat cycles must be concurrent for safety.

As regards the theory you mentioned, I have seen a formal study that appeared to demonstrate that a High Carb, ultra low fat does indeed lead to diabetes control, but it was only carrried out by followers of WFPB and the 2nd Day Adventists studying the effct of their diet, and so far I have not seen a single independant study since that confirms their findings,

Indeed, Although we often see people here suggesting HCVLF diets, there are very few posting their own personal success testimonials on the site. all we seem to get is glossy sale pitches from Youtube, and plugs for the books. I remain sceptic. I can see some Insulin Dependant PWD using such diets for weight loss, but to claim reversal from T2D is pushing my credulity a bit too far,
I thought I saw a posting today making just such a claim, but I cannot find it now, It seems to have disappeared.

I am quite sure there is a study that show freezing bread cause some of its starch to become resistant starch. Some people in my country believe putting cooked rice or noodle in the fridge overnight will do the same.
 
I did see a study that showed that allowing pasta and rice to cool, then reheat by boiling water removed the starch, and reduced the bgl spikes. My mum used to wash in a sieve with cold water, then immediately followed it with boiling water from the kettle. IMPORTANT NOTE: rice and pasta should not be reheated the next day so the cool and reheat cycles must be concurrent for safety.

As regards the theory you mentioned, I have seen a formal study that appeared to demonstrate that a High Carb, ultra low fat does indeed lead to diabetes control, but it was only carrried out by followers of WFPB and the 2nd Day Adventists studying the effct of their diet, and so far I have not seen a single independant study since that confirms their findings,

Indeed, Although we often see people here suggesting HCVLF diets, there are very few posting their own personal success testimonials on the site. all we seem to get is glossy sale pitches from Youtube, and plugs for the books. I remain sceptic. I can see some Insulin Dependant PWD using such diets for weight loss, but to claim reversal from T2D is pushing my credulity a bit too far,
I thought I saw a posting today making just such a claim, but I cannot find it now, It seems to have disappeared.

High carb, very low fat might be good for athletes or active lifestyle. For sedentary people, consuming in excess of what they can burn off long enough will cause the body to malfunction.
 
I am quite sure there is a study that show freezing bread cause some of its starch to become resistant starch. Some people in my country believe putting cooked rice or noodle in the fridge overnight will do the same.
Yup thats the one. Resistant Starch. Again, freezing it is important to prevent overnight bacteria growth NEVER reheat leftover rice or pasta unless from the fridge/ freezer.
 

I just love the conflict of interest section.
I'm amazed they have time to do research as well as counting all the money.
Unilever features a lot, Tate&Lyle is in there, Pepsico, Kellog, Proctor&Gamble......

There seem to be a lot of nut and pulse growers there as well. Nuts seem pretty safe from low carbohydrate living but pulses can be a problem.

So loads of the usual suspects. I'm not sure I can find any meat and dairy concerns but there must be some in the big corporates.
 
When you consider how the LC message goes so strongly in the face of previously accepted medical opinion, the internet is very, very VERY quiet in terms of critique or dissension.
I'm not sure I understand where your conspiracy theories come from.. LC seems to work really well for lots of people and you are suprised there isn't more dissent? Who would that dissent come from? Not the Type 2's who have benefitted.
What about "What the Health", "Cowspiracy", "IThrive", "Forks over Knives" and all the other WFPB propaganda (a lot of which has been debunked by WFPB followers!).
I found Dr Eenfeldt very genuine and charming when I met him last year at the PHC conference as well as a very humble guy considering how many lives he has impacted positively.
 
Fascinating discussion on the ethics of Barilla - I have learnt something reading this!

I don’t think the GI is very useful as it has some major flaws. Not least that it was developed based on people with normal blood sugars & presumably no insulin resistance. If you follow the GI then Snickers bars are better for you than root vegetables!

As others have said it is the carb content that counts and how each person responds to different foods, as we are all individuals. With our own hormonal imbalances and responses.
 
I'm not sure I understand where your conspiracy theories come from.. LC seems to work really well for lots of people and you are suprised there isn't more dissent? Who would that dissent come from? Not the Type 2's who have benefitted.
What about "What the Health", "Cowspiracy", "IThrive", "Forks over Knives" and all the other WFPB propaganda (a lot of which has been debunked by WFPB followers!).
I found Dr Eenfeldt very genuine and charming when I met him last year at the PHC conference as well as a very humble guy considering how many lives he has impacted positively.
Oops! Your blinkers are showing..... Of course there is dissent and questions raised by many about ketogenic diets and LCHF in particular, There are many who are unsure of the long term complications for this type of diet. I am not saying they are right or wrong, but there seems to be a blind passion for this diet that is becoming worrisome, I too have had success with this diet, and I want to support it as well, but I cannot blindly follow you ( or Eenfeldt, or Jason Fung et al) without question. Sorry, but that is the way I am. I need evidence not sales pitch or zeal. I am a scientist, and a Nerd, pure and simple. LC diets make perfect sense to me and the theory behind them which is backed up by validated evidence is sound IMO, so I am not complaining here about the content of the message, merely the zeal and blind focus that it is being delivered with. There are other routes to meeting the goals, and keto is but one pathway. As others have complained here about the forum is that it seems to be very narrow minded in its support of LC diets, and I fear this thread is exposing this yet again, Sorry BB, but I am not the only one to point this out to you in recent weeks.
 
Oops! Your blinkers are showing..... Of course there is dissent and questions raised by many about ketogenic diets and LCHF in particular, There are many who are unsure of the long term complications for this type of diet. I am not saying they are right or wrong, but there seems to be a blind passion for this diet that is becoming worrisome, I too have had success with this diet, and I want to support it as well, but I cannot blindly follow you ( or Eenfeldt, or Jason Fung et al) without question. Sorry, but that is the way I am. I need evidence not sales pitch or zeal. I am a scientist, and a Nerd, pure and simple. LC diets make perfect sense to me and the theory behind them which is backed up by validated evidence is sound IMO, so I am not complaining here about the content of the message, merely the zeal and blind focus that it is being delivered with. There are other routes to meeting the goals, and keto is but one pathway. As others have complained here about the forum is that it seems to be very narrow minded in its support of LC diets, and I fear this thread is exposing this yet again, Sorry BB, but I am not the only one to point this out to you in recent weeks.

Indeed.. but you made a specific point about dietdoctor not about keto or LCHF in general and that was what I responded to.
As I have said on another thread today there seem to be a few "extreme" ways of doing what we do.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...oing-very-low-carb.141715/page-2#post-1749557 post 38
So I am happy to agree that are more than one feline excoriation methodologies however it would be remiss of me to not favour the one that has worked so well for me surely? My eyes are wide open and I like what I see..
 
Fascinating discussion on the ethics of Barilla - I have learnt something reading this!

I don’t think the GI is very useful as it has some major flaws. Not least that it was developed based on people with normal blood sugars & presumably no insulin resistance. If you follow the GI then Snickers bars are better for you than root vegetables!

As others have said it is the carb content that counts and how each person responds to different foods, as we are all individuals. With our own hormonal imbalances and responses.

The most major factor will the amount of carb. But when the amount of carb in two meals being equal, gi will probably be the next most influential factor when it comes to managing blood glucose level.
 
Indeed.. but you made a specific point about dietdoctor not about keto or LCHF in general and that was what I responded to.
As I have said on another thread today there seem to be a few "extreme" ways of doing what we do.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/th...oing-very-low-carb.141715/page-2#post-1749557 post 38
So I am happy to agree that are more than one feline excoriation methodologies however it would be remiss of me to not favour the one that has worked so well for me surely? My eyes are wide open and I like what I see..
As i tried to say my beef is not with keto or LCHF or any one person in particular but there are aspects of Diet Doctor website employing marketing techniques that stongly remind me of techniques I learnt when doing MLM and scam business ventures, which is - to swamp the search engines with fluff so that negative reviews get pushed out to a back page, I did not find a single 'bad' review of the website or the message it gives when I looked, and because the whole thing with keto diets is that they are comparatively new and untried by the mainstream and do NOT have support of the main body of nutritionists and HCP's. So yes, I did expect to see some of this showing through, and it was being successfully pushed aside, just as I felt you were trying to do to me,

I know you are a strong follower of keto LCHF, and I know it works for many others too, but I do not consider that website to be a reliable source of comment or science, since it has commercial pressures on it to follow their main mantra unwaveringly, It is no longer Dr Eenfeldt being free to expound theories and hypotheses, He is now having to focus on his company mission statement and is constrained by commercial interests of the company.

The memory of Gerard Ratner lives on, Zuckerberg is having difficulties justifying his company mission statements and finding reasons why oversight was not in place and why Facebook cannot police the traffic passing through its portal. Those guys made certain decisions when they set up their companies, and then found that it was difficult to change course.

Closer to DD, the Atkins revolution was forced to do a midcourse correction and change their dietplans radically to make them acceptable (and safer) It nearly broke the company to do it and they lost a lot of custom while they made the change, Keto may well have hidden closet skeletons yet to emerge that we are currently unaware of,

I think it is naive to think of DD as being the greatest thing since sliced bread (sorry, low carbers) just as LCHF is not the panacea for all. They are just tools we can use, but they are not infallible.
 
"Lead author Dr John Sievenpiper, from St Michael's Hospital in Toronto, said: "In weighing the evidence, we can now say with some confidence that pasta does not have an adverse effect on body weight outcomes when it is consumed as part of a healthy dietary pattern."

"The study found that pasta didn't contribute to weight gain or increase in body fat.

"Contrary to concerns, perhaps pasta can be part of a healthy diet such as a low GI (Glycaemic index) diet."

The researchers analysed 30 controlled studies into the effects of eating pasta over other carbohydrates."

From the Pasta helps weight loss link above.

In my own country, NZ, there is 25% of the population officially diagnosed with prediabetic blood glucose levels, and it is estimated that another 10% are undiagnosed with prediabetic BG levels. That's a third of my whole country that would find pasta to be too high in BG-forming carbs to eat and remain insulin sensitive, let alone slim! (We also have the third highest levels of obesity in the world.)

I too believe the GI index operates as little more than a smokescreen, muddying the carbohydrate waters for those who are insulin resistant in the population.
 
Greetings @Oldvatr, as well as others in this discussion. Also being Swedish, as I am, sort of, and having received my Swedish self-employed tax form this morning, I cannot help but get involved. It does not surprise me that Swedish Dr Eenfeldt, aka the Diet Doctor, charges for his personalised online services! I remember when he did that, thinking about being self-employed in Sweden, "of course - he has to do that". Part of living in a country with decent wages and kids who aren't impoverished etc - are high taxes and all that goes with it. I don't know how one could live in Sweden and not charge for personalised services rendered. I don't find anything Zuckerbergish creepy or disingenuous about it, or the DD. Quite the contrary. Nor odd that the LCHF is an officially recognised healthy diet, as it is in Sweden. (Dr Annika Dahlqvist, also known as 'Dr Fat' did the hard yards to get Sweden there.) Yay Sweden! :).
 
Greetings @Oldvatr, as well as others in this discussion. Also being Swedish, as I am, sort of, and having received my Swedish self-employed tax form this morning, I cannot help but get involved. It does not surprise me that Swedish Dr Eenfeldt, aka the Diet Doctor, charges for his personalised online services! I remember when he did that, thinking about being self-employed in Sweden, "of course - he has to do that". Part of living in a country with decent wages and kids who aren't impoverished etc - are high taxes and all that goes with it. I don't know how one could live in Sweden and not charge for personalised services rendered. I don't find anything Zuckerbergish creepy or disingenuous about it, or the DD. Quite the contrary. Nor odd that the LCHF is an officially recognised healthy diet, as it is in Sweden. (Dr Annika Dahlqvist, also known as 'Dr Fat' did the hard yards to get Sweden there.) Yay Sweden! :).
I just googled 'LCHF diet in Sweden' and it shows a mixed story with some reports official channels have also rejected it and advise strongly against using LCHF. I think the jury is still out in your country depending on which news feed you listen to. There was also an article on spaghetti and diet, but my swedish is not up to making any headway into it. It may or may not be relevant to this discussion.

I too accept that DD needs to charge for their service, as I stated in an earlier response, they have staff and overheads but no shareholders. I am just wary that they are not a primary source of information and may present a bias in their commentary, We see this being transferred to this site in support of claims being made, and I worry that the info may be accepted merely because it is from DD, and not subject to questioning. I note that posters here react quite strongly to protect the site data without giving any further citation from independant source, as if that info is from a Gold Standard source, which it is not, I got similar reactions from posters espousing the benefits of WFPB and I would not like to see LCHF creating the same fervour. At least with LCHF we have many many users reporting their success stories, which is not a common event associated with WFPB.

By the same token I would not accept anything I read from the Daily Wail (sic) and even the Beeb can be misleading. If rhey give a citation for their source so the original report can be found then it becomes usable, otherwise it is merely opinion and hearsay. ( sometimes Heresy even) Even this site has been guilty of massaging news items in the newsletter so it can happen anywhere, I refuse to put DD on a pedestal.
 
DD is just another tool to start the low carb journey with enthusiasm.
I'm personally wary of using one thing to fully influence me. Even bariatric surgery.
I never put all my eggs in one basket or become extreme about anything again after taking a 600cal diet too far when I was younger. I don't encourage extremism of any sort.
Oh maybe confidence in those who've had it knocked out of them... (my only vice).
Bariatric surgery is done in a controlled and medical fashion so I know done step by step.
DD is creative and has some good recipes but I personally use it like pininterest.
All these over indulging websites arent to be oggled but used as a tool.
A good tool but I cannot see myself paying to become in on dated with data from it.

We are all different and all gave different needs.
No one needs anything extreme in their lives, especially if it becomes detrimental to joyfullness being a substitute.
Too many unhappy diabetics who allow diabetes to be their only focus in their lives from obsessiveness.
My heart breaks to hear too many stressed and worried diabetics.
Everything in moderation. Even low carb eating sites. A great tool but used when needed and not a crutch.
 
As i tried to say my beef is not with keto or LCHF or any one person in particular but there are aspects of Diet Doctor website employing marketing techniques that stongly remind me of techniques I learnt when doing MLM and scam business ventures, which is - to swamp the search engines with fluff so that negative reviews get pushed out to a back page, I did not find a single 'bad' review of the website or the message it gives when I looked, and because the whole thing with keto diets is that they are comparatively new and untried by the mainstream and do NOT have support of the main body of nutritionists and HCP's. So yes, I did expect to see some of this showing through, and it was being successfully pushed aside, just as I felt you were trying to do to me,

I know you are a strong follower of keto LCHF, and I know it works for many others too, but I do not consider that website to be a reliable source of comment or science, since it has commercial pressures on it to follow their main mantra unwaveringly, It is no longer Dr Eenfeldt being free to expound theories and hypotheses, He is now having to focus on his company mission statement and is constrained by commercial interests of the company.

The memory of Gerard Ratner lives on, Zuckerberg is having difficulties justifying his company mission statements and finding reasons why oversight was not in place and why Facebook cannot police the traffic passing through its portal. Those guys made certain decisions when they set up their companies, and then found that it was difficult to change course.

Closer to DD, the Atkins revolution was forced to do a midcourse correction and change their dietplans radically to make them acceptable (and safer) It nearly broke the company to do it and they lost a lot of custom while they made the change, Keto may well have hidden closet skeletons yet to emerge that we are currently unaware of,

I think it is naive to think of DD as being the greatest thing since sliced bread (sorry, low carbers) just as LCHF is not the panacea for all. They are just tools we can use, but they are not infallible.
One of my issues with DD relates to the very selective way in which the “ask the experts” section of the membership side of the site works. I have taken out two membership trials and have observed that questions asked about why things arent working as smoothly as claimed ( eg no weight loss, high blood sugars, a need to combine the appraoch with meds in order to achieve the results claimed) or which raise questions ( not necessarily challenges) to aspects of the theory are either simply ignored or diamissed under the catch all of “ we cant answer personal medical questions.
I think a robust, transparant and confident site needs to be able to openly engage with challenging questions, even if the answers are “ we dont know” . People / sites who seek expert status but fail to do this, always raise my suspicious hackles
I also have issues with some of the recipe suggestions which come out at over 1,000 calories per serving. When I folloed the 2 week “ low carb challenge” diet plan I gained weight. Anything that promises an easy quick fix for all alo raises those suspicious hackles
 
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I do note that this site is evangelical about LCHF.

This was reinforced by meeting someone today who quit this site about 3 years ago because of the "whatever the question LCHF is the answer" and the constant pressure to insist on this.

To be credible we must maintain balance. Which includes me in the LCHF fans.

I'm with @Oldvatr in that any commercial site (including this one) will have a financial pressure to ensure that revenue is maintained and grown if possible.

This is, of course, what we constantly complain about where financial pressures are indicated by the studies sponsored and used by the pharmaceuticals.

Accept that everyone has an agenda, and factor that into any reading of information.
 
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