Who’s to blame ?

[Jaylee]

My DN is anti-egg still, told me to limit them. My doctor, when I then checked that advice, looked at me and very seriously asked "how many eggs are we talking?" My answer of 9-12 per week received the reply of "oh yes, that's fine, don't see any problem with that."

On pushing for why he asked how many, he apparently had a patient who ate a dozen per day that experienced some digestive system issues as a result!

Remember this news jiffy? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonella-in-eggs_controversy

 

[plantae]

My DN is anti-egg still, told me to limit them. My doctor, when I then checked that advice, looked at me and very seriously asked "how many eggs are we talking?" My answer of 9-12 per week received the reply of "oh yes, that's fine, don't see any problem with that."

On pushing for why he asked how many, he apparently had a patient who ate a dozen per day that experienced some digestive system issues as a result!

I think eggs are fine. That myth is well and truly debunked. Just don't tell your DN that you have FOUR sultanas with your breakfast, if they're like mine was they'll hit the roof

 

[plantae]

My DN is anti-egg still, told me to limit them. My doctor, when I then checked that advice, looked at me and very seriously asked "how many eggs are we talking?" My answer of 9-12 per week received the reply of "oh yes, that's fine, don't see any problem with that."

On pushing for why he asked how many, he apparently had a patient who ate a dozen per day that experienced some digestive system issues as a result!

Are you talking about chicken eggs or easter eggs? I could easily eat a dozen easter eggs a day if I didn't control myself

 

[Paul_]

Remember this news jiffy? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonella-in-eggs_controversy

I was only 8 at the time, but my aunt was in hospital with salmonella at the time. A prawn mayo sandwich (from M&S, no less ) was to blame apparently, according to her.

However, my DN specifically mentioned cholesterol. To be honest, I find the whole NHS approach to diet very bizarre when it comes to advice and what they serve in hospitals to people with specific health conditions. In terms of this thread and "blame", I don't think the health/nutrition advice over the past 40-50 years has covered health services in glory, and I think the wildly changing and inconsistent advice has a part to play in the blame for current health trends - if for no other reason than it's made a lot of people ignore what good advice there is.

 

[Spirit01]

I was only 8 at the time, but my aunt was in hospital with salmonella at the time. A prawn mayo sandwich (from M&S, no less ) was to blame apparently, according to her.

However, my DN specifically mentioned cholesterol. To be honest, I find the whole NHS approach to diet very bizarre when it comes to advice and what they serve in hospitals to people with specific health conditions. In terms of this thread and "blame", I don't think the health/nutrition advice over the past 40-50 years has covered health services in glory, and I think the wildly changing and inconsistent advice has a part to play in the blame for current health trends - if for no other reason than it's made a lot of people ignore what good advice there is.

I’m so pleased that this thread has brought forward some fantastic stories and some really great ideas/advice. It’s great to share stories that have moved away from the doom and gloom of our health issue. We must also remember that a vast number of the population doesn’t even know they have diabetes. I believe for a lot of us attitudes are & will change to be more positive about it. Good humour is definitely required and threads/replies like this help us. Just to finish with a little story, I was sat at my desk one day and just happened to look out of the window when I saw a driver park her car, light a cigarette, smoke it, and flick the lighted butt out of her window. Being a Fire & Safety Officer I went to speak to her about it and gave her the choice of picking it up or receive a FPN. She picked it up so no further action required. She then came into the office and a meeting room where she was giving a talk for one of those diabetes clinics (not been to one). I was amazed at how she could have a cigarette before giving a health lecture on diabetes. How many eggs was it

 

[Jaylee]

I was only 8 at the time, but my aunt was in hospital with salmonella at the time. A prawn mayo sandwich (from M&S, no less ) was to blame apparently, according to her.

However, my DN specifically mentioned cholesterol. To be honest, I find the whole NHS approach to diet very bizarre when it comes to advice and what they serve in hospitals to people with specific health conditions. In terms of this thread and "blame", I don't think the health/nutrition advice over the past 40-50 years has covered health services in glory, and I think the wildly changing and inconsistent advice has a part to play in the blame for current health trends - if for no other reason than it's made a lot of people ignore what good advice there is.

I was diagnosed during the school holiday at the age of 8. I was packed off to school at the start of September with a list of dos & don'ts on T1.
When I got back…
They had this massive health kick initiative encouraging carrot sticks instead of sweets.? This was 1976. I was on some pretty unstable porcine insulin at a fixed dose. The place became for a few weeks like an “Orwellian” frenzied food police state? (Seemed longer, I was a kid..)

Those dextrose tablets & digestives I had in my parka pockets for “emergencies.”

… I may have well been carrying a kilo of heroin.

 

[plantae]

 

[Spirit01]

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Fantastic and really made me laugh. I’m putting myself into detention because I’ve just had a treat. 2 small rolls filled with lashings of butter, mustard & Hogs pudding

 

[Dancing Badger]

She then came into the office and a meeting room where she was giving a talk for one of those diabetes clinics (not been to one). I was amazed at how she could have a cigarette before giving a health lecture on diabetes.

Based on my own experience of one of those courses, I'd say that's par for the course (pun!). The one I attended (thankfully curtailed by the pandemic) was run by a woman who couldn't answer the most basic questions, saying she wasn't medically qualified. I suppose it's better she was honest rather than handing out duff advice, but I suspect the course providers charge the NHS a hefty fee to deliver it and they really shouldn't cut corners by employing any Tom, ****, or Harry to "wing it".

 

[Spirit01]

Based on my own experience of one of those courses, I'd say that's par for the course (pun!). The one I attended (thankfully curtailed by the pandemic) was run by a woman who couldn't answer the most basic questions, saying she wasn't medically qualified. I suppose it's better she was honest rather than handing out duff advice, but I suspect the course providers charge the NHS a hefty fee to deliver it and they really shouldn't cut corners by employing any Tom, ****, or Harry to "wing it".

Personally I think rather than offering those talks they should direct people here ‍

 

[plantae]

Fantastic and really made me laugh. I’m putting myself into detention because I’ve just had a treat. 2 small rolls filled with lashings of butter, mustard & Hogs pudding

I guess that's the point. I'm not trying to make light of diabetes, it's a serious disease and we have to manage it as best as we can. But I don't think we have to beat ourselves up for having a treat every now and then. You're allowed out of detention

 

[KennyA]

I’m so pleased that this thread has brought forward some fantastic stories and some really great ideas/advice. It’s great to share stories that have moved away from the doom and gloom of our health issue. We must also remember that a vast number of the population doesn’t even know they have diabetes. I believe for a lot of us attitudes are & will change to be more positive about it. Good humour is definitely required and threads/replies like this help us. Just to finish with a little story, I was sat at my desk one day and just happened to look out of the window when I saw a driver park her car, light a cigarette, smoke it, and flick the lighted butt out of her window. Being a Fire & Safety Officer I went to speak to her about it and gave her the choice of picking it up or receive a FPN. She picked it up so no further action required. She then came into the office and a meeting room where she was giving a talk for one of those diabetes clinics (not been to one). I was amazed at how she could have a cigarette before giving a health lecture on diabetes. How many eggs was it

My "how to be a T2" course came with conflicting advice from a DN ("eat lots of carbs!") and a dietitian ("low-carb will reduce your BG!") but the best bit was that three times during each session a tea trolley was wheeled in with tea and coffee - and sugar (no sweeteners) and a huge plate of biscuits.

 

[Spirit01]

I guess that's the point. I'm not trying to make light of diabetes, it's a serious disease and we have to manage it as best as we can. But I don't think we have to beat ourselves up for having a treat every now and then. You're allowed out of detention

Thank you. I’ll be good for the rest of the day

 

[Paul_]

Personally I think rather than offering those talks they should direct people here ‍

Yep, having very recently been through the research phase after my diabetes diagnosis, ferreting around both the traditional "go-to" resources and the darkest depths of internet advice, I can 100% confirm that this forum is the best resource available.

I guess that's the point. I'm not trying to make light of diabetes, it's a serious disease and we have to manage it as best as we can. But I don't think we have to beat ourselves up for having a treat every now and then. You're allowed out of detention

I'm the son of an ex-army father, so a dry humour was built into me from day 1. It may not always be appreciated, but humour is important in my opinion, especially in the dark times. It's the best coping mechanism available for me, particularly if I manage to occasionally amuse others too.

My "how to be a T2" course came with conflicting advice from a DN ("eat lots of carbs!") and a dietitian ("low-carb will reduce your BG!") but the best bit was that three times during each session a tea trolley was wheeled in with tea and coffee - and sugar (no sweeteners) and a huge plate of biscuits.

I was treated to the NHS T2 training course recently. The diet session was insane!

I mostly kept quiet, in the hope non-engagement would just make the madness end sooner. However, lasagne was then used as the final example, with the question "how could we make this healthier?" posed. I'd heard enough from previous examples, so jumped in with "I'd get rid of the pasta and white sauce, make the pasta sauce low carb with mince, and have it with some veggies".

The nurse delivering the session almost burst, blurting out "That's NOT what we teach here!" When I asked what she would do, she would "reduce the cheese and use low fat mince". I asked another question, "So the pasta and white sauce is absolutely fine with all their carbs, you're not advising portion control, but it's the cheese and mince that's the danger here?" Apparently that's correct, so my final question (with plenty of sass in my tone) was "You do realise you're delivering a session to a group of diabetics here, right?" I then muted my microphone, while several others on the session laughed, and I went off camera. Job done!

 

[Jaylee]

My "how to be a T2" course came with conflicting advice from a DN ("eat lots of carbs!") and a dietitian ("low-carb will reduce your BG!") but the best bit was that three times during each session a tea trolley was wheeled in with tea and coffee - and sugar (no sweeteners) and a huge plate of biscuits.

As a child & teen I was told 3 square meals with a mid morning snack, mid afternoon snack & one before bed.

There was never any dosage adjustment mentioned it was, “oh, then you need more snacks!”
One DSN stated, “your insulin will not work without food..”

I read accounts from T2s suggesting to me they were probably given T1 “advice???”

 

[KennyA]

I am just old enough to remember this slogan.

I do not know exactly how many folks "starved to death in their sleep" before Horlicks saved the day.

 

[Spirit01]

As a child & teen I was told 3 square meals with a mid morning snack, mid afternoon snack & one before bed.

There was never any dosage adjustment mentioned it was, “oh, then you need more snacks!”
One DSN stated, “your insulin will not work without food..”

I read accounts from T2s suggesting to me they were probably given T1 “advice???”

Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined at the start of this thread would it receive so many responses. As I said earlier, from the moment of conception we are on our way out. We don’t know when or how but it is definitely going to happen one day. Some will have a smooth journey but others will have a very bumpy ride. I truly believe that wherever there is a negative there has to be a positive and vice versa because if there wasn’t neither could survive. The negatives of diabetes are apparent but what are the positives? Well for one thing we probably now look after ourselves far better than we ever did. I would imagine most of us eat wonderful food that we were led to believe was bad for us but the biggest for me is exchanging messages with you all and considering you to be my Diabetes buddies and I really mean that. I don’t stick pins in myself and as far as I know I’m still in remission but by now I know what I should and shouldn’t eat. Been naughty today but hey ho, yes it’s a negative eating 2 small rolls but the positive is before this I would have had 4 larger rolls and a bag of crisps. Tonight I’ll cook chicken (and eat the skin), roast sweet potato, roast celeriac, carrots, steamed curly kale. Maybe a sugar free jelly for dessert. Sounds lovely and here’s my clincher, I’ll serve my dinner on a small side plate coloured blue and I’ll eat it with my fingers. I eat all of my food with my fingers. Soup is a ****** so I tip the bowl ha ha

 

[plantae]

As a child & teen I was told 3 square meals with a mid morning snack, mid afternoon snack & one before bed.

There was never any dosage adjustment mentioned it was, “oh, then you need more snacks!”
One DSN stated, “your insulin will not work without food..”

I read accounts from T2s suggesting to me they were probably given T1 “advice???”

I think that's a very interesting subject that you've brought up. The “your insulin will not work without food..” sounds completely absurd and illogical, but regarding "I read accounts from T2s suggesting to me they were probably given T1 “advice???” I'm not sure what to say. What do you mean by that?

 

[Jaylee]

I am just old enough to remember this slogan.

I do not know exactly how many folks "starved to death in their sleep" before Horlicks saved the day.

That’s an eye opener.. The pun was intended.

 

[plantae]

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best
And
Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the light side of life
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing
And
Always look on the bright side of life
(Come on)
Always look on the right side of life
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow
Forget about your sin
Give the audience a grin
Enjoy it, it's your last chance anyhow
So always look on the bright side of death
A just before you draw your terminal breath
Life's a piece of ****
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughin' as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you
And
Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the right side of life
(C'mon Brian, cheer up)
Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the bright side of life
I mean, what have you got to lose?
You know, you come from nothing
You're going back to nothing
What have you lost? Nothing
Always look on the right side of life
Nothing will come from nothing, ya know what they say
Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin (Always look on the right side of life)
There ya are, see
It's the end of the film
Incidentally this record's available in the foyer (Always look on the right side of life)
Some of us got to live as well, you know
(Always look on the right side of life)
Who do you think pays for all this rubbish
(Always look on the right side of life)
They're not gonna make their money back, you know
I told them, I said to him, Bernie, I said they'll never make their money back
(Always look on the right side of life)