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Why cant I lower blood sugar

catapillar said:
On medication that can lower blood sugar, such as metformin, under 4 isn't considered a safe zone, it hypoglycaemic.

Why on earth would you be considering a pancreas transplant if the only medication youre taking is metformin so you patently are producing your own insulin. Putting a transplanted pancreas into you won't make you not be insulin resistant. It will mean undergoing a surgery with a 2% mortality risk and 8% risk of serious complications as well as immunosuppressants that significantly increase your risk of kidney damage and skin cancer.



Can you please share a link to wher you have seen bariatric surgery putting blood sugar to 1 or 3? Those are dangerously hypoglycaemic readings, not readings to be aspired to.
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Aparantly the surgery causes the body elsewhere to stop the uptake of glucose through some sort of mechanism . basically it causes your body to burn glucose off via the intestines through some strange enzyme
 
I have found that intermittent fasting lowers my blood sugars, usually by about 0.3 each day. The lowest reading I have ever got was 5.0. I do 5:2 fasting with only one meal per day at weekends.
 
catapillar said:
On medication that can lower blood sugar, such as metformin, under 4 isn't considered a safe zone, it hypoglycaemic.

Why on earth would you be considering a pancreas transplant if the only medication youre taking is metformin so you patently are producing your own insulin. Putting a transplanted pancreas into you won't make you not be insulin resistant. It will mean undergoing a surgery with a 2% mortality risk and 8% risk of serious complications as well as immunosuppressants that significantly increase your risk of kidney damage and skin cancer.



Can you please share a link to wher you have seen bariatric surgery putting blood sugar to 1 or 3? Those are dangerously hypoglycaemic readings, not readings to be aspired to.
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Like I said these options are my goto if I hit complications it costs 8k for stomach reduction and 5 for the band. I am not going to let a disease kill me slowly when a money can provide a better outcome. In the case of pancreas they don't remove the originals just tie them through two different paths.


How can one the if there insulin resistant or ate low producers
 
ickihun said:
As a type1 you get intensive support and carb guidance to be started on insulin injections. Type2s don't. They get given the info they are now diabetic and left mainly to their own devices. Type2s need tools to bring down their serioysly high bgs. This forum fills that time gap of sometimes years before a type2 gets decent support.
Don't begrudge them that support. A decent start like you got automatically!
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I'm reading my post back. It's not clear to me in any way how any thing I said could be construed as begrudging T2s support. All I was saying was that sometimes the lchf solution is messaged a bit too much, too early, and not always right, and is put across in a way which, it would seem, result in people trying some, frankly, bat-sh*t crazy ideas which will kill them.

T1s don't get intensive support! When I was dx'd 28 years ago, I was given a few leaflets about how I could "exchange" a Digestive biscuit for an equivalent amount of some other boring carb, and then sent on my way into the wider world. Not much has changed since then. I was sent on a DAFNE course last year, very useful, but at the end of the day, I get to see a consultant for about ten minutes every six months. None of this is the "intensive support" you talk about. I know absolutely that each time I take an injection, I could end up unconscious if I get it wrong, yet I know that it is a self treated condition, so I'm the one who needs to suss out what's happening.

You're correct, though, this site is a valuable resource. I don't think anything I said in my post suggested otherwise.
 
well in some people that have no reserve in liver left the body then starts to convert the proteins from ones muscles into glucose... so....hmm I think in some cases it is bad to be very low carb, and for others they just change into ketosis right away..

living from ones muscles is a bad thing.. maybe the ketosis lifestyle is most suitable for people that are still overweight, or for thin people that eat really a lot of fat..
 
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It does worry me ,the constant panic about apparently high BG readings when sometimes they are NO different than a non diabetic.I ran an experiment for a week with two non diabetics to test the reaction of certain foods,they sometimes had higher readings than me.Yes some people are more insulin resistant than others agreed and have total need to keep the carbs low BUT can it be taken too far crossing the line into unnecessary illness.I read an artical about low carbing to far can cause the pancreas to slow down production of insulin.Yes I'm aware of complications no doubt,I'm not saying don't take it serious but don't think it's necessary to be so obsessive.
 
blanc71 said:
It does worry me ,the constant panic about apparently high BG readings when sometimes they are NO different than a non diabetic.I ran an experiment for a week with two non diabetics to test the reaction of certain foods,they sometimes had higher readings than me.Yes some people are more insulin resistant than others agreed and have total need to keep the carbs low BUT can it be taken too far crossing the line into unnecessary illness.I read an artical about low carbing to far can cause the pancreas to slow down production of insulin.Yes I'm aware of complications no doubt,I'm not saying don't take it serious but don't think it's necessary to be so obsessive.
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Ultimately I don't wanna go blind so getting this into a normal range with an overhead is my goal
 
sheepie123 said:
Like I said these options are my goto if I hit complications it costs 8k for stomach reduction and 5 for the band. I am not going to let a disease kill me slowly when a money can provide a better outcome. In the case of pancreas they don't remove the originals just tie them through two different paths.


How can one the if there insulin resistant or ate low producers
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Well in the case of pancreas transplant you can't buy one. It's an organ from a cadaver and will come through the transplant service, if there's a clinical need. If youre not on insulin you have a functioning pancreas and no clinical need. There are 400,000 type 1 diabetics in the uk who don't make insulin. It's pretty unusual for them to receive a pancreas transplant because transplant is significantly riskier than injecting insulin.

You can have a cpeptide test to determine how much insulin you are producing.

Apparently, severe hypo glycaemia is an uncommon complication (note, complication, not the aim of) bariatric surgery which can lead to the surger being reversed or having partial pancreatectomy. That's because not being able to keep blood sugar up can cause death and brain damage - http://spectrum.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/4/217
 
Just remember @sheepie123 it is dangerous to have no glucose or too little glucose in your blood. It would damage the brain for a start.
Stick to 5s if you want low bgs. 5s are an excellent achievent from double figures.
I low carb but don't very low carb. Everyone is different but our aim is the same. Steady good glucose levels with as few spikes or dips out of range. 5mmol/l-7.8mmol/l in the ideal world.
It is possible and some may argue easier than hypo threats from insulin injections.
I inject but I'm type2. I had symptoms 40yrs ago but only diagnosed 14yrs ago.
I recently had to think back to a procedure I had 22yrs ago and realised again I was diabetic then and 32yrs ago when my appendix ruptured too. Surprisingly it wasn't picked up thou as I was hospitalised for a week.
My bgs must have been perfect on a drip only.
 
sheepie123 said:
Like I said these options are my goto if I hit complications it costs 8k for stomach reduction and 5 for the band. I am not going to let a disease kill me slowly when a money can provide a better outcome. In the case of pancreas they don't remove the originals just tie them through two different paths.


How can one the if there insulin resistant or ate low producers
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I think you should give diet and exercise a reasonable chance for several months as it takes a while, before you start considering the risky and rather drastic options of surgery. A gastrict band would reduce your appetite and help reduce weight but you would still have to watch what you ate and how it impacted on BG levels.
There are scores of contibutors to this forum who have had great success reducing weight and BG through diet and exercise and many who have been classified as 'in remission' as a result of their self management of the condition. Don't assume you'll develop complictions. Think positive and act to reduce the chances of them arising.
 
blanc71 said:
It does worry me ,the constant panic about apparently high BG readings when sometimes they are NO different than a non diabetic.I ran an experiment for a week with two non diabetics to test the reaction of certain foods,they sometimes had higher readings than me.Yes some people are more insulin resistant than others agreed and have total need to keep the carbs low BUT can it be taken too far crossing the line into unnecessary illness.I read an artical about low carbing to far can cause the pancreas to slow down production of insulin.Yes I'm aware of complications no doubt,I'm not saying don't take it serious but don't think it's necessary to be so obsessive.
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Obsessive is never mentally healthy. Ambitious is something else.
 
I think alot of T2D have lower spikes than a T1D .To low is seriously dangerous and obsessive.
 
miahara said:
I think you should give diet and exercise and reasonable chance for several months as it takes a while, before you start considering the risky and rather drastic options of surgery. A gastrict band would reduce your appetite and help reduce weight but you would still have to watch what you ate and how it impacted on BG levels.
There are scores of contibutors to this forum who have had great success reducing weight and BG through diet and exercise and many who have been classified as 'in remission' as a result of their self management of the condition. Don't assume you'll develop complictions. Think positive and act to reduce the chances of them arising.
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If your not pushed into bariatric surgery early on by a consultant. Do it when your ready! @sheepie123 . Its not easy to do. People think you just have op and da dar! Your thin. Nope! Its hard work.
 
blanc71 said:
I think alot of T2D have lower spikes than a T1D .To low is seriously dangerous and obsessive.
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Although I have to have mine in 4s or 5s to lose weight, strange isn't it? I don't get hypo symptoms in 4s when I'm ranging well.
I know type1s too can lose their hypo radar. Very dangerous!
 
I've always known that keeping diabetes in good range and weight loss to help with insulin resistance is 2 completely different solutions and I've found very very difficult to do both together but not impossible.
I admire those who achieve both.
 
sheepie123 said:
My spikes are generally 7.8 around 1hr after dinner then back to around 6.5 2-3 hours later slowly dropping to 5.8
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OK so you are 18 stone and eating about 100g of carbs per day? Is that right?
If so then why not cut carbs some more? I try to get under 20g of carbs per day.
I never eat breakfast so only have 2 meals a day max.
My carbs usually come from milk or double cream and some green veg, maybe avocado with some nuts.
Apart from that I tend to eat meat, eggs, fish and cheese. It's simple to follow and pretty **** tasty.
Doing this I have lost just under 100 pounds in 18 months.
Your current bloods are pretty good.. maybe a bit higher than I would like for myself so try cutting out more carbs.
 
Eating low carb seems to have restored normal BG levels for me - and my lows are around 5.4.
For me that is fine - job done, keep eating the same way and all should be well.
I have no intention of taking pills or having bits extracted or banded - I'm having too much fun.
It might seem weird - particularly to those newly diagnosed or struggling to lower BG levels, but the diagnosis gave me the excuse to be a bit selfish and it has really paid off.
I don't worry about leaving the house for 8 hours and not having food or any money to buy some - I take a bottle of water and I'm fine. When I was trying to be a conventional eater I'd have felt really wobbly about mid afternoon, but that is all in the past now.
 
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