Why Eat Carbs As A Type 2 Diabetic?

[hankjam]

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

My type 1 came on suddenly as a child, within a month and I ended up in DKA, went into a coma and woke up with a life sentence.

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Nope. Didn't even know the term "pre-diabetes" till I joined this forum.
Would have been good to know about but my GP was too busy giving me a different statin to see if that would work on my cholesterol, instead of my liver...

 

[Bluetit1802]

How about a culture of sensible responsibility for your dietary choices, which is the underlying cause of type 2 diabetes?

No, it isn't the underlying cause.

In my case, because I was over 60 I had annual MOT health checks. In January 2013 I was neither diabetic nor pre-diabetic. 12 months later I was a fully fledged diabetic. What happened in that 12 months? I was diagnosed with breast cancer and had the kitchen sink thrown at me treatment-wise. Surgery, chemotherapy, 12 months of an aggressive biological infusion every 3 weeks, and radiotherapy. Yes, it killed the cancer, (fingers crossed) but what else did it do to my body? It broke my metabolism. If you believe that was my fault because I took no responsibility for for my dietary choices, then that is just your uninformed opinion.

 

[LooperCat]

@Hoping4Cure - By the same logic, type ones shouldn’t eat carbs either, in order to save the NHS money on insulin and needles. So I hope you don’t eat any either?

 

[rab5]

I have been absent from the forum because of the very way people are talking to each other now. I was very guilty of some of the offence. I was also **** sure I had all the answers. I didn’t.

People are different and perhaps giving the benefit of the doubt can smooth many a path

I believe carbs are the devil. Or at least a senior demon. People can argue the other way. We are all in this together. I also think we are too quick to judge and too quick to take offence

My tuppence worth

Places tin hat on head and peers over parapet?

 

[hankjam]

I have been absent from the forum because of the very way people are talking to each other now. I was very guilty of some of the offence. I was also **** sure I had all the answers. I didn’t.

People are different and perhaps giving the benefit of the doubt can smooth many a path

I believe carbs are the devil. Or at least a senior demon. People can argue the other way. We are all in this together. I also think we are too quick to judge and too quick to take offence

My tuppence worth

Places tin hat on head and peers over parapet?

Think I am on the same page as you now. Carbs do me no good and most of the time I just don't do them... but I don't do zero... it's a balance thing. Time will tell if it is the right balance for me....

 

[zand]

I have been absent from the forum because of the very way people are talking to each other now. I was very guilty of some of the offence. I was also **** sure I had all the answers. I didn’t.

People are different and perhaps giving the benefit of the doubt can smooth many a path

I believe carbs are the devil. Or at least a senior demon. People can argue the other way. We are all in this together. I also think we are too quick to judge and too quick to take offence

My tuppence worth

Places tin hat on head and peers over parapet?

It really depends on what you mean by 'carbs'. As I said earlier I need veggies in my diet, but they are carbs.... I don't consider that having less than 50g carbs daily is a problem. I couldn't manage without them as I am not that keen on meat. I agree that we are too quick to judge...and it's the judging that causes offence. No-one knows what things are going on in folks lives and why they do certain things, so sometimes the judging really hurts. It's usually those who don't have a clue that judge others (she said judgementally….see we all do it )

 

[rhubarb73]

I'm a relative newbie 2 months in. This forum attracts a lot of newbies, hungry for information, motivation and support. I've read this thread with increasing dismay at the bitterness and venom expressed in some of the posts. A newly diagnosed T2 would be sent running from site if they read this thread in detail. It is a far cry from the supportive threads I have seen elsewhere on this site. I'm glad the moderator has taken some action.
Be more kind folks. This is hard. Maybe you think you are scoring points, but they probably count for nothing and you don't know who you are hurting.

 

[rhubarb73]

I also think we are too quick to judge and too quick to take offence

Maybe if you go back to the beginning of this thread and if you posted statements which you no longer support, or would choose not to say now, then delete them?

 

[Deleted member 308541]

if you posted statements which you no longer support, or would choose not to say now, then delete them

If I post something, I never delete it as it will stuff the discussion.

If people do not like what I post on how I manage my T2, that's their problem. As I said earlier I eat a moderate amount of carbs with no ill effect.

My bgls are down, my hba1c is down, my weight is steady at 95 Kgs down from 102 Kgs when I was first diagnosed T2 4½ years ago.

 

[rab5]

Maybe if you go back to the beginning of this thread and if you posted statements which you no longer support, or would choose not to say now, then delete them?

I dont think so.... sounds like too much work lmao

 

[MikeyJ]

Like @rhubarb73 I'm new to the forum and new to diagnosis, this is perhaps the most disappointing thread I've come across

 

[AloeSvea]

It's terrific what great press the Newcastle diet has had, and especially low-carbing ways of eating in specific e-circles like this.

But what a shame it has also meant some serious 'backfiring/backlashing' on us type two's! What a shame human beings can respond like this! Getting methods for getting better out there is great, but I know I have been subject to "but all you need to do is (blah blah) and you will have your type two reversed" at dinner parties, at the pub... (yeah from those without diabetes but who read the news).

And here it is in here too! From @Hoping4Cure! I shouldn't be so shocked, but I am.

I repeat the worst, as it is so extreme, and I do believe a little social mediation is called for. (I mean - even Presi Trump got to say he said a 'would not' when he meant 'would' (or vice versa).)

" seem to deliberately be choosing to remain with their condition, despite knowing the way out of it, thereby wasting finite medical resources", "this type of mentality frankly selfish and irresponsible". "self-indulgent in the extreme".

wow wow wow! Boy - was that a punishing backlash posting! 'Ouch!' does not cover it!

If only it was "just" a matter of reducing carbs and going zero carbs, I would be happily one of the 'reversed' categories, and my family would have had a big celebration dinner for me a long time ago. I don't mind using myself, as a 'SIRD' - with severe insulin resistance diabetes - as an example of it sometimes being VERY VERY hard to get into healthy blood glucose levels. I think it is hard for everyone, but carb intolerance is indeed on a spectrum for IR T2s, and some of us have a very low tolerance indeed. And food is such an intimate relationship, as well as being an intensely social one. Going low or dropping entirely carbs is WAY easier said than done, especially when there is probably an element of addiction involved (pleasure centres lighting up in the brain and all that with that delicious combo of carbs and fat for instance.) (Bliss points indeed.)

Or, there is something else going on in the broken BG body that they don't know about yet - who knows? Because we all don't. Some theories fit better than others, is all we can currently say. Otherwise we would not be having the odd conversations we have with our otherwise wonderful GP's for instance, that many of us have when it comes to getting better with T2D, or not. (I just had another one of those recently, is why I bring that up.)

On a good day I have a chuckle if someone says to me, "All you have to do is go zero carb." ho ho ho. Chuckling is a healthy response to that kind of thing. (I loved the 'funny' and even 'creative' response to above in above, for instance.) More unhealthy is wanting to throw something at them, or wanting to punch them in the face! (Please note I talk about wanting to, not actually doing it!) If I didn't have a BG meter and this forum I would have had no idea myself, for instance, that being very sick with the flu for one week could have thrown my BG levels out by being so high for a whole month - it is only from this forum that I understood that illness and temperatures can do this to someone with dysregulated BGs. Nothing to do with carbs there, once you have diabetes and your system is out of wack, it seems. (I am not talking about cause here, but effect.)

This is all part of type two diabetes being a complex dysfunction/disease. As many of us in here are testament to.

As is type 1 too? Indeed. Entering into the world of autoimmune diseases is a very complex world indeed. Getting into comparisons and talking about allocation of resources based on moral grounds - just awful! Soooooooo awful.

 

[rhubarb73]

I dont think so.... sounds like too much work lmao

Only if you have a lot to regret.
Not specifically referring to you Rab if someone says something unpleasant or aggressive under the cloak of anonymity that they would not say if people could identity them then that is the definition of trolling. Trolls are what makes some sites (eg Twitter) unpleasant places at times - I hope that doesn’t happen here: it’s too important.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

How about a culture of sensible responsibility for your dietary choices, which is the underlying cause of type 2 diabetes?

My dietary choices were based on medical advice, along with advice from organisations like WW, Tesco Diets, Slimming World. In hindsight totally useless and incorrect, for me anyway.

This "culture of sensible responsibility" is completely dependent on receiving good advice. Better advice than the "Eat sensibly" that most people are given on being diagnosed type II. That sensible advice would have me eating 250gms (approx) of carbohydrate every day, then having to take medication to cope with the BG Levels (I was discussing taking insulin before trying LC?F 4 or 5 years ago). In my opinion I have been sensible by not following the advice given.

 

[JohnEGreen]

Only if you have a lot to regret.
Not specifically referring to you Rab if someone says something unpleasant or aggressive under the cloak of anonymity that they would not say if people could identity them then that is the definition of trolling. Trolls are what makes some sites (eg Twitter) unpleasant places at times - I hope that doesn’t happen here: it’s too important.

To give your honestly held view or opinion is not trolling it's discussion if those views change it is a progression and evolution of thought processes and shows a willingness to be flexible and being open to persuasion no one in this thread even though it has got a bit tetchy at times should feel they have to delete one word of their honestly held opinions even if those opinions have now changed or been modified in some aspects I very rarely delete anything I have posted I leave that to the Moderators. Who quite rightly delete or amend anything that they deem to be inappropriate or to have broken the forum rules.

 

[Terrytiddy]

Eating a large pizza with a few beers while reading this post Its all my fault so I may as well be happy

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

I've read this thread with increasing dismay at the bitterness and venom expressed in some of the posts.

Sometimes we read more into a message than is intended. I have long believed that the written word is an incredibly inadequate form of communication because it lacks the rules imposed by face to face communications.

In the past I have been very upset by what a person has said and it took me a while to realise that it's not worth worrying about. I no longer worry about Donald Trump, he's barking. LOL His words are meaningless and liable to change within 24 hrs. We all have different points of view for example I'm annoyed with my dad for not going to his GP with what turns out to be a UTI and he's now been in hospital for five days. He could easily have avoided that, maybe I'm being too harsh, but . . . .

 

[archersuz]

I have been absent from the forum because of the very way people are talking to each other now. I was very guilty of some of the offence. I was also **** sure I had all the answers. I didn’t.

People are different and perhaps giving the benefit of the doubt can smooth many a path

I believe carbs are the devil. Or at least a senior demon. People can argue the other way. We are all in this together. I also think we are too quick to judge and too quick to take offence

My tuppence worth

Places tin hat on head and peers over parapet?

Thank you for this post.

 

[bamba]

Well I am one of them at the moment. The reason weight loss is more important to me than BGs is that my weight is doing more damage to my health than my BGs. I am taking blood pressure tablets and would like to stop taking them. I believe that losing weight will help me with that aim and so it is my number one priority right now. My mental health is next, my BGs come a poor third. Should things change then BGs will once again be top priority.

If your blood glucose is high, your body can:
1 Put it into Glycogen stores.
2 Excrete via kidneys
3 Dump in fat cells.

If you a member of this site - there's a good chance (1) is not working.
Getting your blood glucose down will help you lose weight.

 

[zand]

If you a member of this site - there's a good chance (1) is not working.
Getting your blood glucose down will help you lose weight.

My BGs are usually in the non-diabetic range already, that's why I am happy to concentrate on other issues for the time being. Weight is a complex issue and isn't all down to BGs.

Edit: My fasting BGs are a little higher than I like, but I have lost 3 pounds in 3 days since they have been at the higher level ( FBG 7.0 yesterday, 7.3 today but that wasn't really fasting as I had had a few gulps of tea with milk before I tested) My fasting BG is normally the highest of the day.