Why Eat Carbs As A Type 2 Diabetic?

[HarryBeau]

Against my better judgment I have read every post on this thread...I'm saddened by some of the comments & views expressed here...I find many of them judgemental...bitter...painful to read...to be classified as selfish... a drain on the NHS services...somehow responsible for my diabetes...I am diagnosed 2 years now...my introduction to diabetes was a phone call from my surgery...'you're diabetic I'll leave a prescription at reception for you .book an appointment with your GP when he's back from holiday'...I knew nothing about diabetes...I was booked on a DESMOND course...had an appointment with my GP followed by an appointment with a DSN...after those appointments I knew even less about my diabetes...the advice was totally sub-standard...inaccurate...often conflicting...eat at least a third of carbs with your meals...eat no carbs...eat moderate carbs...

I read & researched my condition...realised it was important to SMBG & see how my diet impacted on my blood sugars...I persuaded my GP to prescribe testing strips & a meter...I challenged my local CCG who said I was not entitled to strips on prescription...I won...I eat a LCHF diet...I test regularly & control my diabetes well...at my last review the GP described my control as excellent...I once read a comment here by another member which said 'the question for me is did my obesity cause my diabetes or did my diabetes cause my obesity'...that for me is the real issue...the system needs to change...money is continually wasted on hopeless education courses...bad advice...dismissive attitudes.... a lack of understanding of type 2 diabetes (my own GP admitted he knew little about it)....there needs to be real investment in SMBG for T2's...my diabetes is under control...mainly as a result of testing my blood glucose regularly...yes I eat to my meter...I rely on what it tells me...it works for me...I know that for a fact since that's how I manage my condition...please don't judge (blindly)...support those of us who are struggling to control their diabetes when it's needed.

 

[Oldvatr]

My dietary choices were based on medical advice, along with advice from organisations like WW, Tesco Diets, Slimming World. In hindsight totally useless and incorrect, for me anyway.

This "culture of sensible responsibility" is completely dependent on receiving good advice. Better advice than the "Eat sensibly" that most people are given on being diagnosed type II. That sensible advice would have me eating 250gms (approx) of carbohydrate every day, then having to take medication to cope with the BG Levels (I was discussing taking insulin before trying LC?F 4 or 5 years ago). In my opinion I have been sensible by not following the advice given.

Ditto. my experience too. Well put, thank you.

 

[Crocodile]

I have been absent from the forum because of the very way people are talking to each other now. I was very guilty of some of the offence. I was also **** sure I had all the answers. I didn’t.

People are different and perhaps giving the benefit of the doubt can smooth many a path

I believe carbs are the devil. Or at least a senior demon. People can argue the other way. We are all in this together. I also think we are too quick to judge and too quick to take offence

My tuppence worth

Places tin hat on head and peers over parapet?

It's good to have you back. There is a difference between robust discussion and offence. I don't find anything seriously wrong with probing questions and sensible argument. I'm fine with opposing views. These types of discussions when played out in a respectful way is how we gain knowledge. Sadly, the opposite effect when condescension enters the fray. Please stick around.
Glenn

 

[rab5]

Only if you have a lot to regret.
Not specifically referring to you Rab if someone says something unpleasant or aggressive under the cloak of anonymity that they would not say if people could identity them then that is the definition of trolling. Trolls are what makes some sites (eg Twitter) unpleasant places at times - I hope that doesn’t happen here: it’s too important.

To be honest I cant be bothered reading past posts. I am in the fortunate position that the actions I took sorted my diabetes out as far as I can tell. I have done nothing special to do this other than read and listen to people who have been on this journey before me. Taken their advice and I suppose ignored advise that I believed to be wrong.

I also believe I have tried to help people but maybe and this is where it gets complicated, the way I have done this didnt suit everyone! I dont take offence. We all have to remember this is the internet. I have not come across anyone on this foru who has not given what they believed to be their genuine held beliefs . What I would add that genuinely held belief does not equal fact. That goes for me to.

As for anonymity what else can we do apart from say who we are and stick a picture up!

 

[mojo37]

Because I like them. Moderation is the key. I can't speak for you but for me and many others we only have to reduce carbs, not eliminate them completely. I eat no more than 20 to 30g with each meal maximum and it has precisely zero effect on my glucose control. If I followed the recommended dietary guidelines I'd be 330g per day. Then I would be in serious poo.
Quality, not quantity.

Me too. When I reduce my carbs and keep them around the 30 g a meal mark my bg is fine . I have tried several times to go low carb as in about 60 g or less a day and I feel really tired and hungry ... no matter how much I replace them with protein and good fats. I think as lots of people say you have to find what works for you .

 

[rhubarb73]

As for anonymity what else can we do apart from say who we are and stick a picture up!

You missed my point. Anonymity is vital on here. What I am saying is that we should not use anonymity as a shield to be rude. We should talk to people with our avatars the same way as we would talk to someone who knows who we are.

 

[rab5]

You missed my point. Anonymity is vital on here. What I am saying is that we should not use anonymity as a shield to be rude. We should talk to people with our avatars the same way as we would talk to someone who knows who we are.

I agree, but anything I have said in the past or the future is something I would say to your face.

 

[HarryBeau]

Once diagnosed does it really matter how we 'got it'...it should be about how we manage it that's imperative

 

[zand]

Once diagnosed does it really matter how we 'got it'...it should be about how we manage it that's imperative

Totally agree with you.

Also if we have a condition that makes us jealous of others with a different type of the same condition then it is likewise up to us to recognize that we need to get help for our own mental/emotional problems. We should not be carrying such bitterness around with us, it doesn't do us any good. I paid for 28 counselling sessions to help with my mental health, I just wish those who bash T2s (or anyone else) for their physical health would look to their own behaviour and realise that there is something wrong with themselves emotionally and seek help. After all who in their right mind would be jealous of someone who is obese and has struggled for years to lose weight? My car was in the garage for repairs today. As I set out to walk in the midday sun for 2 miles to collect it a very ignorant/rude/callous young man leaned out of his car window and shouted 'lazy, fat *****'. Normally I would be pretty upset by that. However today I thought of this thread and laughed. I would rather be me than one of the nasty people in this world.

Edit: So I can't say the word for a female dog without getting asterisks then huh?

 

[lucylocket61]

I agree, but anything I have said in the past or the future is something I would say to your face.

so you dont mind being rude? even if that rudeness upsets and hurts others on here or people in real life? several people have responded to you about how your way of communicating is hurtful and upsetting in its tone and word choices.

I defend to the death someones right to state their truth and opinion, but i do not agree with someone knowingly being rude and upsetting people in their choice of words (and tone, if in real life) once that upset has been conveyed, and the rudeness is with the knowledge that others can be hurt by it.

Its in the same vein as teaching a child how to be gentle, as they dont realise that their strength can hurt others. We (hopefully) teach them to tailor their response to the situation and person they are playing with.

 

[Crocodile]

Me too. When I reduce my carbs and keep them around the 30 g a meal mark my bg is fine . I have tried several times to go low carb as in about 60 g or less a day and I feel really tired and hungry ... no matter how much I replace them with protein and good fats. I think as lots of people say you have to find what works for you .

Just shows how different we all are. I don't feel hungry in the absence of carbs. What happens to me is that my bowel movements go haywire. I put this down to the fact that meat and fats have very little in the way of roughage that is essential for people like me. The good bacteria in the gut is much happier. I find that 20 to 30g per meal is sufficient to keep the ol' pooper working properly. I expect it doesn't impact on hunger much because 60g of carbs is less than 1000kJ anyway. A fella my size needs around 11000kJ just to maintain weight.

 

[Terrytiddy]

Totally agree with you.

Also if we have a condition that makes us jealous of others with a different type of the same condition then it is likewise up to us to recognize that we need to get help for our own mental/emotional problems. We should not be carrying such bitterness around with us, it doesn't do us any good. I paid for 28 counselling sessions to help with my mental health, I just wish those who bash T2s (or anyone else) for their physical health would look to their own behaviour and realise that there is something wrong with themselves emotionally and seek help. After all who in their right mind would be jealous of someone who is obese and has struggled for years to lose weight? My car was in the garage for repairs today. As I set out to walk in the midday sun for 2 miles to collect it a very ignorant/rude/callous young man leaned out of his car window and shouted 'lazy, fat *****'. Normally I would be pretty upset by that. However today I thought of this thread and laughed. I would rather be me than one of the nasty people in this world.

Edit: So I can't say the word for a female dog without getting asterisks then huh?

Hi @zand how could he call you lazy? You were walking and he was sat in a car!!! Just proves your point that people don't look at themselves!

 

[Crocodile]

Once diagnosed does it really matter how we 'got it'...it should be about how we manage it that's imperative

To be honest the source of my T2 is unknown. I got it all right but don't know with certainty how or why. I put it down to the fact that a significant portion of my immediate family on at least one side are also T2. I just can't prove that this is the cause. You are correct. The reason for this board is about how to manage the condition.

 

[Crocodile]

Totally agree with you.

Also if we have a condition that makes us jealous of others with a different type of the same condition then it is likewise up to us to recognize that we need to get help for our own mental/emotional problems. We should not be carrying such bitterness around with us, it doesn't do us any good. I paid for 28 counselling sessions to help with my mental health, I just wish those who bash T2s (or anyone else) for their physical health would look to their own behaviour and realise that there is something wrong with themselves emotionally and seek help. After all who in their right mind would be jealous of someone who is obese and has struggled for years to lose weight? My car was in the garage for repairs today. As I set out to walk in the midday sun for 2 miles to collect it a very ignorant/rude/callous young man leaned out of his car window and shouted 'lazy, fat *****'. Normally I would be pretty upset by that. However today I thought of this thread and laughed. I would rather be me than one of the nasty people in this world.

Edit: So I can't say the word for a female dog without getting asterisks then huh?

Give him the bird.

 

[JohnEGreen]

The reason for this board is about how to manage the condition

Exactly and I suppose that is what this thread is about do we manage Diabetes by total abstinence from carbs or by careful management of the amount of carbs we eat by say eating to the meter to show which foods we can tolerate or by setting our selves a daily allowance governed by what we consider reasonable for our individual requirements I personally have set my self an allowance and also eat to my meter in order to choose the best foods for me to include or exclude from that allowance.

 

[mojo37]

Umm No

Exactly most people that I know who are t2 were only diagnosed when their condition became obvious and therefore past the prediabetic stage

 

[zand]

Exactly most people that I know who are t2 were only diagnosed when their condition became obvious and therefore past the prediabetic stage

I recently phoned for blood test results for someone else and found that she was prediabetic. The notes though said 'HbA1c much better, keep up the good work'. We weren't told that they were worse before! So even when blood tests show up pre-diabetes patients aren't always told about it.

 

[Mr_Pot]

Exactly most people that I know who are t2 were only diagnosed when their condition became obvious and therefore past the prediabetic stage

In my case it didn't become obvious as I didn't have any symptoms, I was diagnosed after an over-sixties routine health check, so no chance of taking action at the pre-diabetes stage. To be honest I am not sure I would have done anything anyway. Not knowing what I know now, being told I was pre-diabetic would probably have been like "you could lose a bit of weight" or "don't drink more than 14 units of alcohol a week" good advice that you will do something about one day.

 

[mojo37]

In my case it didn't become obvious as I didn't have any symptoms, I was diagnosed after an over-sixties routine health check, so no chance of taking action at the pre-diabetes stage. To be honest I am not sure I would have done anything anyway. Not knowing what I know now, being told I was pre-diabetic would probably have been like "you could lose a bit of weight" or "don't drink more than 14 units of alcohol a week" good advice that you will do something about one day.

I only knew I was "classed " as diabetic when I received a letter saying that I needed to book "my annual diabetic review" needless to say I phoned the surgery and asked them *** were they on about ...I did phrase that somewhat more politely lol

 

[rab5]

so you dont mind being rude? even if that rudeness upsets and hurts others on here or people in real life? several people have responded to you about how your way of communicating is hurtful and upsetting in its tone and word choices.

I defend to the death someones right to state their truth and opinion, but i do not agree with someone knowingly being rude and upsetting people in their choice of words (and tone, if in real life) once that upset has been conveyed, and the rudeness is with the knowledge that others can be hurt by it.

Its in the same vein as teaching a child how to be gentle, as they dont realise that their strength can hurt others. We (hopefully) teach them to tailor their response to the situation and person they are playing with.

I think you need to stop being so sensitive. As we say in Ireland get over yerself.