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Wine, chocolate and ice-cream

Scandichic

Scandichic

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Just wondering if anyone else indulges in a glass of white wine on a Friday and Saturday night? I have also started ending my evening meal with a square of dark choccie. I made home made ice cream and had 2 scoops (50g frozen raspberries, 50ml of double cream and 1/3 tsp sweetener) this week. I eat LCHF. What do you think?
 
Ice cream, perhaps as berries and cream OK for LCHF.
Dark chocolate - high cocoa content. 95% ideally but I prefer 75%.
White wine - no. Relatively high in sugar unless dry. Look at some comparisons. Red might be better due to flavanoids.
I wouldn't be able to 'treat' myself and not begin overeating again. My advice would be to use food as fuel or medicine or health benefits but NOT as a treat!
 
Just trying to work my way through the minefield which Is diabetes. Not keen on red - only like dry white. Consultant said 2 glasses a week ok but then promotes NHS healthy plate which I do not follow. Lidos 70% cocoa has lowest carb content which I've found at 31g carb per 100g.
 
Hi Scandichic, I told my DSN I had a couple of glasses of red a night. She then scrambled around on her keyboard and asked me how to spell 'recommended' as in ''she is drinking more than the recommended amount per day'. Just doing her job and covering her back. My excuse for drinking red wine is that the liver is busy coping with the alcohol rather than the sugar so all good.
My DSN couldn't write much else about advising me on my diabetes management as my weight is down and my cholesterol and blood pressure is good but none due to any of her advice. I used to teach the NHS Eatwell Plate in Nutrition classes and couldn't understand the emphasis on starch then. Now on LCHF I don't eat any potatoes, pasta or bread. They are my weaknesses. I have had to change my whole perspective on food. Not a treat or reward just an essential part of living and used to maintain health.
Adapting to diabetes and LCHF? There's a thread on here called 'Viv's Modified Diet' - great for LCHF food recommendations. LCHF is a way of life, not a diet.
More advice - remove any references to being or looking fat. Mindset there has to be changed too. I am not 'fat' person now, I am 'slim' with a bit of weight to lose. Think that way and the rest follows. All the best with your journey.
 
Mushroom said:
Hi Scandichic, I told my DSN I had a couple of glasses of red a night. She then scrambled around on her keyboard and asked me how to spell 'recommended' as in ''she is drinking more than the recommended amount per day'. Just doing her job and covering her back. My excuse for drinking red wine is that the liver is busy coping with the alcohol rather than the sugar so all good.
My DSN couldn't write much else about advising me on my diabetes management as my weight is down and my cholesterol and blood pressure is good but none due to any of her advice. I used to teach the NHS Eatwell Plate in Nutrition classes and couldn't understand the emphasis on starch then. Now on LCHF I don't eat any potatoes, pasts or bread. They are my weaknesses. I have had to change my whole perspective on food. Not a treat or reward just an essential part of living and used to maintain health.
More advice - remove any references to being or looking fat. Mindset there has to be changed too. I am not 'fat' person now, I am 'slim' with a bit of weight to lose. Think that way and the rest follows.
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I am still fat but I'm a whole less fat than I was ;) don't really have body image problem. Probably why I ended up the size I was! I don't eat potatoes, rice, bread or pasta. At first it was overwhelming but I got through it with a very supportive husband and this forum. Speaking Swedish of all things has helped as I have met several Scandi speakers here who directed me to Dietdoctor and it's Swedish speaking sister site. Most importantly I have found an LCHF recipe website too! Do you still have a couple of glasses a night or have you cut it out? I was hoping that I might be able to have 1 or 2 glasses at the weekend or even 1 glass but I don't want to do it if it causes a health problem. I am dubious as I didn't drink when pregnant, ate fairly high fat and carb and lost a stone so I know there are lots of calories in wine. Other than the choccie, I don't eat any cakes, sweets or biscuits either. Thank you for taking the time to write to me - I really appreciate it!
 
Mushroom said:
Hi Scandichic, I told my DSN I had a couple of glasses of red a night. She then scrambled around on her keyboard and asked me how to spell 'recommended' as in ''she is drinking more than the recommended amount per day'. Just doing her job and covering her back. My excuse for drinking red wine is that the liver is busy coping with the alcohol rather than the sugar so all good.
My DSN couldn't write much else about advising me on my diabetes management as my weight is down and my cholesterol and blood pressure is good but none due to any of her advice. I used to teach the NHS Eatwell Plate in Nutrition classes and couldn't understand the emphasis on starch then. Now on LCHF I don't eat any potatoes, pasta or bread. They are my weaknesses. I have had to change my whole perspective on food. Not a treat or reward just an essential part of living and used to maintain health.
Adapting to diabetes and LCHF? There's a thread on here called 'Viv's Modified Diet' - great for LCHF food recommendations. LCHF is a way of life, not a diet.
More advice - remove any references to being or looking fat. Mindset there has to be changed too. I am not 'fat' person now, I am 'slim' with a bit of weight to lose. Think that way and the rest follows. All the best with your journey.
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I've yet to read an explanation of exactly what happens to the glucose that your liver is ignoring while it processes the more toxic alcohol - can anyone please explain? I just can't imagine that the explanation will be a good outcome for the body?
 
Hi again,
Sorry that sounded a bit harsh. I AM still 'fat' but much slimmer than I was. I can at least fit into the standard clothes in the shops now! Larger, stretchy clothing and an acceptance that being overweight is OK has not done anyone any good. I used to find clothes which fitted and was careful to choose a style which I thought suited me! I ignored photos of myself and rarely got onto the scales. Results - morbidly obese.
I go to France and Europe quite often and very few people there are overweight. I have slim husband who always said sugar and processed foods were 'poison'. He eats when he's hungry and that's it, nothing more. A good role model. Swedish advice on LCHF is very useful.
I don't actually have to glasses of wine every night. I was winding the nurse up and it worked but as I used to teach, I couldn't drink as I needed to be perky the next day. Now, I work from home so it's not such an important factor but I don't actually drink much anyway. Certainly, not enough for a hangover!
When diagnosed I worried about everything I eat but I got a blood meter and tested and that helped to see if what I was doing was working at lowering my blood sugars. I was given Metformin on my first appointment but was going to Germany for the weekend so didn't want any complications. By the time I got home I was restricting my food intake and trying low GI. So, no Met and when I read about statins and cholesterol and that whole debate - no statins either.
Just before my second appointment, I found this website and went LCHF.
That was over two years ago. Weight loss has evened out so next step IS to ease-back on the wine and Irish Coffees and cut down portions again. LCHF is so easy - and no food cravings. Don't over- ride what your body tells you - it's all about listening. Hunger is productive.
This website is literally a life-saver. Keep asking questions. All the best.
 
Alcohol - this website says alcohol can lower blood sugar so if you are any meds apart from Metformin, that could be a problem. More meds - more complications. Trying to keep off the as long as possible!
 
I can't abide white wine but do indulge in a glass of red or two on a weekend ;)
 
Mushroom said:
Hi again,
Sorry that sounded a bit harsh. I AM still 'fat' but much slimmer than I was. I can at least fit into the standard clothes in the shops now! Larger, stretchy clothing and an acceptance that being overweight is OK has not done anyone any good. I used to find clothes which fitted and was careful to choose a style which I thought suited me! I ignored photos of myself and rarely got onto the scales. Results - morbidly obese.
I go to France and Europe quite often and very few people there are overweight. I have slim husband who always said sugar and processed foods were 'poison'. He eats when he's hungry and that's it, nothing more. A good role model. Swedish advice on LCHF is very useful.
I don't actually have to glasses of wine every night. I was winding the nurse up and it worked but as I used to teach, I couldn't drink as I needed to be perky the next day. Now, I work from home so it's not such an important factor but I don't actually drink much anyway. Certainly, not enough for a hangover!
When diagnosed I worried about everything I eat but I got a blood meter and tested and that helped to see if what I was doing was working at lowering my blood sugars. I was given Metformin on my first appointment but was going to Germany for the weekend so didn't want any complications. By the time I got home I was restricting my food intake and trying low GI. So, no Met and when I read about statins and cholesterol and that whole debate - no statins either.
Just before my second appointment, I found this website and went LCHF.
That was over two years ago. Weight loss has evened out so next step IS to ease-back on the wine and Irish Coffees and cut down portions again. LCHF is so easy - and no food cravings. Don't over- ride what your body tells you - it's all about listening. Hunger is productive.
This website is literally a life-saver. Keep asking questions. All the best.
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Don't think you were harsh at all. What did you teach? I teach languages but feel embarrassed admitting it because I never use German anymore and French is my 3rd and Spanish my fourth so all though I can teach the syllabus with ease, I can't speak French and Spanish to the same level as Swedish and German. I have recently found that most shops stock my current size which psychologically puts me in a better place. I am focusing on one stone at a time. Ideally, I would like to go down 6 stone but would settle for 5. My husband is also now back to his slim pre children days - we eat the same. I'm just trying to tweak everything so that I can have the occasional glass of white and a square of choccie but above all love my limbs so have accepted that I will do whatever it takes. X
 
Mushroom said:
Alcohol - this website says alcohol can lower blood sugar so if you are any meds apart from Metformin, that could be a problem. More meds - more complications. Trying to keep off the as long as possible!
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It's indeed metformin! And statins. And ramapril for bp. Never mind, the sun is shining and I need to walk to the chemist to get my meds!
 
Scandichic said:
Not keen on red - only like dry white.
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Sweet wine wine has left over sugar in it, that's why it is sweet. Yeast turns the sugar into alcohol but alcohol kills yeast so at some point, there is no active yeast left. If all the sugar has been turned into alcohol, it is dry. The more sugar which is left once the yeast is dead, the sweeter the wine. This often happens with white wines.

The tendency for producers is to target the sweeter white wine market and so often the fermentation is stopped early. These white wines are therefore sweeter and have a lower alcohol content. Many red wines use more alcohol resistant yeasts, there aren't many that rely soley on the natural yeasts, so they tend to be drier and stronger.

Acidity also appears to reduce blood sugar and that is probably as much the case with wine as it is with cider vinegar or lemon juice, but not as pronounced.

I regularly drink a popular austrian wine of the type Veltliner or a german Grauerburgunder. The latter is the same grape as Pinot Grigio/ Pinot Gris but much better if from Franconia or Baden Würtemberg. Sadly getting these wines here is a very hit and miss affair. The austrian Veltliners are readily available though. I used to like Alsatian white wines but in the past few years, they have started to produce sweeter versions and they are not to my taste at all. They used to be excellent.
 
Scandichic said:
Don't think you were harsh at all. What did you teach? I teach languages but feel embarrassed admitting it because I never use German anymore and French is my 3rd and Spanish my fourth so all though I can teach the syllabus with ease, I can't speak French and Spanish to the same level as Swedish and German. I have recently found that most shops stock my current size which psychologically puts me in a better place. I am focusing on one stone at a time. Ideally, I would like to go down 6 stone but would settle for 5. My husband is also now back to his slim pre children days - we eat the same. I'm just trying to tweak everything so that I can have the occasional glass of white and a square of choccie but above all love my limbs so have accepted that I will do whatever it takes. X
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I used to teach KS3, GCSE and 'A' level Textiles, KS3 Food, GCSE Child Development, KS3 and GCSE R.E. and PSHCE. So I know my way round the NHS guidelines on 'Healthy Eating'! My whole life has now changed - for the better. Work-life balance is back!
Unfortunately you will find a lot of shops stocking clothes which fit! 30 odd years ago, I kept my weight down because I found it difficult to find large clothes. Plus sizes now are doing the general public no favours, just adding to a 'growing' market of profit for the retailers and manufacturers.
Son was overweight and now gone down 4 clothes sizes as I have stopped feeding him loads of food!
I put on and lost weight quite a few years ago but it all went back on and some more. With the LCHF, I didn't think about trying to lose any weight as it was too difficult to think of day-to-day. Just made sure I eat very little at each meal. Weighed myself every morning and steadily lost 2 - 3 lbs a week. kept track on a chart as I still do now. 6 months in to my new way of eating, I used an app to count the carbs and calories and some days I was only eating around 600 calories but it did the job. My own version of the 'Newcastle Diet', I suppose.
I still track my weight and I still weigh myself every morning. A weight increase needs addressing fast.
I don't eat overtly carby food. If I can't find a food when we are out, I don't eat and wait till the next meal, as I don't find being hungry a problem. I'm aware could slip back at any point so can't be complacent. The Diabetes diagnosis was the wake-up call - the end of the line. A blessing in disguise.
 
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Hi,

Deserts I've passed up on since diagnosis at the age of 8...
The guilt tripping "catholic" programming from my early years as a diabetic put pay to that..
Though to be polite with the "norms" at a social, I will nibble on the cheese & a light cracker from the selection & let the others have their cake and eat it..!
A dry white? Fair play... Even with red meat..!

My real weakness in the past has been a lot "darker" than I care to mention on an open forum...
(Possibly due to a misconception in my youth it wouldn't have any lasting effects on my condition as alcohol would..)

Mushroom said:
I don't actually have to glasses of wine every night. I was winding the nurse up
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I can associate with that Mushroom I once told a consultant when questioned as a teenager that I lived on a diet of mince pies....
 
Mushroom said:
I used to teach KS3, GCSE and 'A' level Textiles, KS3 Food, GCSE Child Development, KS3 and GCSE R.E. and PSHCE. So I know my way round the NHS guidelines on 'Healthy Eating'! My whole life has now changed - for the better. Work-life balance is back!
Unfortunately you will find a lot of shops stocking clothes which fit! 30 odd years ago, I kept my weight down because I found it difficult to find large clothes. Plus sizes now are doing the general public no favours, just adding to a 'growing' market of profit for the retailers and manufacturers.
Son was overweight and now gone down 4 clothes sizes as I have stopped feeding him loads of food!
I put on and lost weight quite a few years ago but it all went back on and some more. With the LCHF, I didn't think about trying to lose any weight as it was too difficult to think of day-to-day. Just made sure I eat very little at each meal. Weighed myself every morning and steadily lost 2 - 3 lbs a week. kept track on a chart as I still do now. 6 months in to my new way of eating, I used an app to count the carbs and calories and some days I was only eating around 600 calories but it did the job. My own version of the 'Newcastle Diet', I suppose.
I still track my weight and I still weigh myself every morning. A weight increase needs addressing fast.
I don't eat overtly carby food. If I can't find a food when we are out, I don't eat and wait till the next meal, as I don't find being hungry a problem. I'm aware could slip back at any point so can't be complacent. The Diabetes diagnosis was the wake-up call - the end of the line. A blessing in disguise.
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I can see your point about plus size clothes and I was always very careful about what I bought but think everyone should be free to make their own choices even if I disagree with them! Glad people don't have to look like they've gone to millets tent section anymore! I don't weigh anything either. Tried the slimming world green diet - lost loads but put it back on again. Thing is, it's not just about losing weight so won't touch their green days as too many carbs and need fat to feel full. Keep wishing weeks away so weight goes down. Sad really!
 
Don't look ahead to weight loss too much. It does no good thinking about it. Deal with it meal by meal by eating less and the loss just happens.
 
Alcohol isn't something I enjoy, but I love chocolate, and have gradually switched to dark. I've ended up eating lo carb/lo GL through mapping out my own foods by blood glucose, rather than following food lists and discovered that I can tolerate as low as 45% cocoa solids, provided it is eaten after a meal. And of course, it's an important food group, packed with antioxidants! ;)

My faves are
Lindt dark, with blueberries or strawberries. The fruit adds sweetness without much added sugar.
Aldi and Lidl both do FANTASTIC dark choc ranges; orange, mint, cherry, chilli, naked and nutty.

Ice cream is a bit of a sore subject. I used to eat it often, because I read somewhere that ice cream has a weirdly low GI considering its ingredients. Then I got the blood glucose meter and tested after a delicious and (possibly a little too large) portion of ice cream. It was bad. And it stayed bad for hours, and my on waking test the next morning was high too!

So now, sadly, I only eat ice cream I've made myself - same recipe as Scanichic.
It's nice, but it ain't Ben and Kerry's. :(
 
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