Lexilulu
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- Type of diabetes
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- Insulin
I think I might be driving myself a bit crazy.
Long story short - but probably still the long version: I been on steroids - prednisolone - for inflammatory bowel disease pretty much permanently since 2019.
I am considered steroid dependent and I’m constantly tapering or increasing my dose depending on essentially the level of blood loss I am experiencing from my bowel disease.
I have also been on one basal insulin or another since 2019 pretty continuously along with the steroids. Hospital stays (of which there have been a few months in total) have always needed bolus insulin as well, due to the need for multiple daily IV hydrocortisone - which always pushed my blood glucose into the 20s by evening… the bioavailability of the IV hydrocortisone is much higher than oral steroids - so it rockets my numbers.
I was on humilin I or similar last year along with small doses of nova rapid with meals - my hba1c was 42 in June 2023 and I was managing well.
I spent a couple of weeks in hospital in November 2023 and they struggled to get the blood sugars under control while I was on hydrocortisone IV
Anyway, somewhere during last years stay the hospital Pharmacist withdrew nova rapid and said I shouldn’t be using it at home (in case I have hypos). I didn’t challenge it because quite honestly, I haven’t got a clue what I should be on or not on with my steroid induced diabetes. I was dealing with some life changing surgical decisions at that time and it’s impossible for me to spin all the plates with everything ALL of the time. I am exhausted by it all.
The hospital put through a referral to the diabetes community nursing team on
my discharge, and my Drs - at my request - put through two more referrals…but it took ages to get anywhere….even with me chasing, lost referrals apparently! I finally got a follow on diabetes nursing appointment and I thought it helpful to get an up to date Hba1c prior to their call… when the nurse called she asked what was going on with me as my Hba1c had come in at 74.
I was really shocked as my blood capillary tests weren’t showing drastic numbers, for the high dose steroids I was back on…Although I’d suspected there may be some kind of issue, as I was so tired - but I suffer from chronic anaemia needing iron infusions and many, many blood transfusions in the past…so it wasn’t immediately obvious that it was my sugar levels.
As part of my plan from 2019 - I was only ever told to test before meals and before bed…and to adjust the basal insulin with the changes in my steroid dose. Anyway, as it turns out, the blood sugar testing I was doing was missing so much of the hyperglycaemia I was experiencing and also missing overnight hypos.
The new specialist diabetes nurse has been great. She got me on a CGM straight away - I had asked a few times for one but I think because I’m steroid induced it’s not considered long term - despite my 5 year steroid and insulin dependency! She also started me on fiasp and I’d managed to get my predicted hba1c down to 56 in just over two weeks.
But….for me and my expectations (more on this below) this needs to be much lower and even with the humilin I and fiasp it seems to matter little if I eat the NHS eat well plate, lower carb, keto, or skip lunch all together….I still get a peak of at least 12 mmol at lunch and if it’s a higher “healthy” carbs lunch - as per NHS advice it’s up to 15-18 mmol and beyond - hence the reason I don’t even need to test refined carbs and chemicals!
I stopped all refined carbs and processed foods as soon as day 2 on the CGM as it was enough info to get a baseline on white bread on day one. I don’t need to test any other refined carbs - it’s pretty obvious I’ll be blind or footless by the time I make my way through the list!
I am eating only home cooked whole foods and sticking to a Mediterranean diet - but mainly keto (have lots of experience with this WOE)
The diabetes nurse referred me back to the dieticians and they are of the mind that I must have bread and rice and potatoes - but tell that to my CGM! I just cannot get a handle on my numbers at all when I eat any starches. I tested it, as per the dietician advice and it’s taken days to get back some semblance of control.
I have no problem eating low carb/keto. I understand that I can’t tolerate refined carbs or sugars - but I just didn’t realise the extent to which all starches were a problem for me, even small amounts. Having had specialist dietician and diabetes input throughout the last 5 years the advise has always been the same, “just eat and we will fix it with insulin” despite my resistance… because it just isn’t working. I mean I can’t even keep my blood sugar under control on a strict keto eating plan or fasted - I really don’t know why they want me to even consider bread or potatoes!
I am currently on my fourth CGM and I am trying to get a handle on the data and these are the things I know:
I take my steroids at 9 ish, along with humilin I - 13 units and I have started taking fiasp 4 units -
but by 12/12.30 lunch time I am at circa 12 mmol or above… and this is with just 2 cups of coffee and cream or also with Greek yogurt, chia, nuts, cinnamon.
The fiasp profile details that the nurse gave me is so out of synch with my experience I have no idea what to do apart from almost wing it with the bolus right now until I find the sweet spot.
I was told to take the fiasp at start of meal or within 20 minutes, but that’s just not working. I was also told the fiasp lasts for 4 hours ( the dietician told me to not even look at the CGM until the 4 hours is up!) - but if and when the fiasp makes any impact (which it mostly doesn’t) it’s done and dusted within an hour or two max.
So, the timing isn’t right for me…and on top of that for the 1 unit of fiasp I am supposed to take to lower by 3 mmol I am finding I need at least 1 unit to illicit a drop of 1 mmol and that’s if the fiasp is going to work.
I’m so lost, I am happy to take control of this situation - even if it’s a secondary issue…I am proactive - I have to be. But I just don’t know what I’m doing anymore.
I’ve been told to try and move more, if I can. As there must be a significant amount of insulin resistance when the steroids take over…but then i'm trying to balance that with chronic blood loss and feeling utter rubbish all the time.
I don’t know whether I should be taking corrected doses of fiasp for the lunch tea time spikes. I don’t even know how much I should be adjusting for the steroids. I was told that I only need to take a couple of units - but that is based on an insulin profile that does not match my individual experience - the effects of the steroids when mixed with any lunch time foods are so exaggerated in relation to what I’m eating - it’s driving me a bit simple.
Before the steroid induced diabetes my hba1c was borderline diabetic and I worked hard with low carb/keto and even carnivore for a few months to get my numbers back to normal range. It worked but I got very unwell with my IBD and stuck on long term steroids.
It’s really important for me to gain some control back not only because of my predisposition to diabetes, but also because my mum died of keto acidosis in 2020 - she’d been a type 2 for 25 years and her autopsy showed that almost every organ in her body had been affected by her uncontrolled diabetes….and quite honestly, I don’t want to follow that same miserable path…
Thanks for reading my rant, I’m not even sure what my question was or if I even had one…I just think I need some reassurance or some guidance on how to manage and interpret my experience with my numbers and bolus insulin - my fear at this rate is that I will go completely bonkers before the diabetes gets me!
Thank you for letting me vent.
Long story short - but probably still the long version: I been on steroids - prednisolone - for inflammatory bowel disease pretty much permanently since 2019.
I am considered steroid dependent and I’m constantly tapering or increasing my dose depending on essentially the level of blood loss I am experiencing from my bowel disease.
I have also been on one basal insulin or another since 2019 pretty continuously along with the steroids. Hospital stays (of which there have been a few months in total) have always needed bolus insulin as well, due to the need for multiple daily IV hydrocortisone - which always pushed my blood glucose into the 20s by evening… the bioavailability of the IV hydrocortisone is much higher than oral steroids - so it rockets my numbers.
I was on humilin I or similar last year along with small doses of nova rapid with meals - my hba1c was 42 in June 2023 and I was managing well.
I spent a couple of weeks in hospital in November 2023 and they struggled to get the blood sugars under control while I was on hydrocortisone IV
Anyway, somewhere during last years stay the hospital Pharmacist withdrew nova rapid and said I shouldn’t be using it at home (in case I have hypos). I didn’t challenge it because quite honestly, I haven’t got a clue what I should be on or not on with my steroid induced diabetes. I was dealing with some life changing surgical decisions at that time and it’s impossible for me to spin all the plates with everything ALL of the time. I am exhausted by it all.
The hospital put through a referral to the diabetes community nursing team on
my discharge, and my Drs - at my request - put through two more referrals…but it took ages to get anywhere….even with me chasing, lost referrals apparently! I finally got a follow on diabetes nursing appointment and I thought it helpful to get an up to date Hba1c prior to their call… when the nurse called she asked what was going on with me as my Hba1c had come in at 74.
I was really shocked as my blood capillary tests weren’t showing drastic numbers, for the high dose steroids I was back on…Although I’d suspected there may be some kind of issue, as I was so tired - but I suffer from chronic anaemia needing iron infusions and many, many blood transfusions in the past…so it wasn’t immediately obvious that it was my sugar levels.
As part of my plan from 2019 - I was only ever told to test before meals and before bed…and to adjust the basal insulin with the changes in my steroid dose. Anyway, as it turns out, the blood sugar testing I was doing was missing so much of the hyperglycaemia I was experiencing and also missing overnight hypos.
The new specialist diabetes nurse has been great. She got me on a CGM straight away - I had asked a few times for one but I think because I’m steroid induced it’s not considered long term - despite my 5 year steroid and insulin dependency! She also started me on fiasp and I’d managed to get my predicted hba1c down to 56 in just over two weeks.
But….for me and my expectations (more on this below) this needs to be much lower and even with the humilin I and fiasp it seems to matter little if I eat the NHS eat well plate, lower carb, keto, or skip lunch all together….I still get a peak of at least 12 mmol at lunch and if it’s a higher “healthy” carbs lunch - as per NHS advice it’s up to 15-18 mmol and beyond - hence the reason I don’t even need to test refined carbs and chemicals!
I stopped all refined carbs and processed foods as soon as day 2 on the CGM as it was enough info to get a baseline on white bread on day one. I don’t need to test any other refined carbs - it’s pretty obvious I’ll be blind or footless by the time I make my way through the list!
I am eating only home cooked whole foods and sticking to a Mediterranean diet - but mainly keto (have lots of experience with this WOE)
The diabetes nurse referred me back to the dieticians and they are of the mind that I must have bread and rice and potatoes - but tell that to my CGM! I just cannot get a handle on my numbers at all when I eat any starches. I tested it, as per the dietician advice and it’s taken days to get back some semblance of control.
I have no problem eating low carb/keto. I understand that I can’t tolerate refined carbs or sugars - but I just didn’t realise the extent to which all starches were a problem for me, even small amounts. Having had specialist dietician and diabetes input throughout the last 5 years the advise has always been the same, “just eat and we will fix it with insulin” despite my resistance… because it just isn’t working. I mean I can’t even keep my blood sugar under control on a strict keto eating plan or fasted - I really don’t know why they want me to even consider bread or potatoes!
I am currently on my fourth CGM and I am trying to get a handle on the data and these are the things I know:
I take my steroids at 9 ish, along with humilin I - 13 units and I have started taking fiasp 4 units -
but by 12/12.30 lunch time I am at circa 12 mmol or above… and this is with just 2 cups of coffee and cream or also with Greek yogurt, chia, nuts, cinnamon.
The fiasp profile details that the nurse gave me is so out of synch with my experience I have no idea what to do apart from almost wing it with the bolus right now until I find the sweet spot.
I was told to take the fiasp at start of meal or within 20 minutes, but that’s just not working. I was also told the fiasp lasts for 4 hours ( the dietician told me to not even look at the CGM until the 4 hours is up!) - but if and when the fiasp makes any impact (which it mostly doesn’t) it’s done and dusted within an hour or two max.
So, the timing isn’t right for me…and on top of that for the 1 unit of fiasp I am supposed to take to lower by 3 mmol I am finding I need at least 1 unit to illicit a drop of 1 mmol and that’s if the fiasp is going to work.
I’m so lost, I am happy to take control of this situation - even if it’s a secondary issue…I am proactive - I have to be. But I just don’t know what I’m doing anymore.
I’ve been told to try and move more, if I can. As there must be a significant amount of insulin resistance when the steroids take over…but then i'm trying to balance that with chronic blood loss and feeling utter rubbish all the time.
I don’t know whether I should be taking corrected doses of fiasp for the lunch tea time spikes. I don’t even know how much I should be adjusting for the steroids. I was told that I only need to take a couple of units - but that is based on an insulin profile that does not match my individual experience - the effects of the steroids when mixed with any lunch time foods are so exaggerated in relation to what I’m eating - it’s driving me a bit simple.
Before the steroid induced diabetes my hba1c was borderline diabetic and I worked hard with low carb/keto and even carnivore for a few months to get my numbers back to normal range. It worked but I got very unwell with my IBD and stuck on long term steroids.
It’s really important for me to gain some control back not only because of my predisposition to diabetes, but also because my mum died of keto acidosis in 2020 - she’d been a type 2 for 25 years and her autopsy showed that almost every organ in her body had been affected by her uncontrolled diabetes….and quite honestly, I don’t want to follow that same miserable path…
Thanks for reading my rant, I’m not even sure what my question was or if I even had one…I just think I need some reassurance or some guidance on how to manage and interpret my experience with my numbers and bolus insulin - my fear at this rate is that I will go completely bonkers before the diabetes gets me!
Thank you for letting me vent.