Worried about eating fat.. don't be says The Lancet

[MikeTurin]

http://www.thenutritionwonk.com/sin...ntinent-PURE-Study-A-Prospective-Cohort-Study

tl;dr
I've found a more in-depth analysis of the study, that is long but quite interesting.
Saturated fats aren't the pure evil and refined carbs in big quantities are a problem, do it's not an 'let's switch to atkins' message but it it's more an "make more clear on etawell pate that fats are ok in moderate quantities".

 

[serenity648]

Quote from article: he said: “This is a thumbs-up for UK recommendations which advise up to 35 per cent of energy from fat and an average of 50 per cent of energy from carbohydrate - of which only 5 per cent should be sugar."

I thought all carbs were sugars and should be counted as such?

 

[bulkbiker]

Quote from article: he said: “This is a thumbs-up for UK recommendations which advise up to 35 per cent of energy from fat and an average of 50 per cent of energy from carbohydrate - of which only 5 per cent should be sugar."

I thought all carbs were sugars and should be counted as such?

Which is maybe why she is the ex-obesity tsar.. or at least that's what I would have hoped!

 

[CherryAA]

Where I take issue with the "more detailed analysis " of this - is that it assumes that somehow a high carb diet is either - because you are poor in a developing country , OR cannot really be high carb because junk food has an inherent level of fats as well .

It IGNORES HUGE numbers of women trying to diet and following plans being prepared by for example Diet plans on line .
Women follow these diets, generally speaking men can't be ***** to follow the structures that they put you under.

One of the largest UK diet websites is Dietplan.co.uk which used to be owned by Sainsburys.

I was following one of their plans when I was first diagnosed.

I have just put a typical days example into cronometer
1500 calories carbs are 63% of the days food
carbs 212 of which sugar is 119g Ie 31% of the entire dieting day is PURE SUGAR - sucrose, glucose and fructrose.

I have no idea how much of that would actually appear on the front of the packets as being " sugar" according to the obesity czar. -I'm sure not that much.

The proteins are about 56g so for a woman not too bad 15% of total intake

The fats have been taken down to 22% of total calories 37 g in total ( and this is actually quite a high day example there are a good few which come to 25g or less sometimes even in the teens)

Of that 37g - a woman is getting 8g of saturated fat less than 5% total calories.

She is getting 11 g of poly unsaturated which of which only 1,3g is omega 3 and 8.8 of omega 6 - a far too high ratio
she is getting only10g of mono fats.


Overall it is also severely deficient in proteins, minerals and vitamins,

I WAS ONE OF THOSE MUGS - persuaded that this was healthy - THAT is what I was eating when I was diagnosed with sky high blood sugars and on which I had lost 5 kg that month.

I have just published a detailed analysis of the changes in my blood profiles from 6 months of LCHF compared to 30 YEARS of this rubbish - the changes are astonishing.

Frankly now I have looked at it again, it can only be the fact that these diets are almost impossible to stick to - that is stopping women in the UK dropping like flies- THAT is the result of the current Healthy Eating Guidelines as interpreted by a food chain.

THAT is why we need a seismic shift in public policy pronouncements in the Western world and that is why PURE represents the western world just as much as it does the developing world.


Frankly looking at that diet again I have just made myself feel sick when I realise what harm I was doing to myself - entirely innocently and under the guise of being good.

 

[ringi]

No it does'nt

what matters is Low Triglycerides which are also a marker for low small LDL C the dangerous kind, and high HDL to Total cholesterol ratio - the higher HDL the better .

Eating saturated fat IMPROVES these ratios .
Triglycerides in the blood stream come from eating carbs!

Bit more complex than that, if some who are eating very high carb reduces their fat intake, then the Triglycerides often go down! But they go down even more by cutting out most carbs and avoiding low-fat products....

 

[Alexandra100]

Quote from article: he said: “This is a thumbs-up for UK recommendations which advise up to 35 per cent of energy from fat and an average of 50 per cent of energy from carbohydrate - of which only 5 per cent should be sugar."
I thought all carbs were sugars and should be counted as such?

"The total carbohydrate in a food refers to the combined amount of all three types of carbohydrate -- starch, sugar and fiber. "
Quoted from the article linked to below:
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/difference-between-total-carbs-fiber-sugars-3267.html
My understanding is that the starch in carbs is converted to sugar inside us, but the fibre content is not. This means that some high fibre foods give us less available carbs than the labels may suggest. This becomes important when diabetics use insulin and need to measure the amount of carb they are eating very precisely.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

but the fibre content is not.

As you say, it can't be broken down into sugar and therefore goes right through, hence it's importance in our movements.Clever old thing the body, except when it goes wrong. Some high fibre/low carb foods.

 

[ickihun]

I have avoided it like the plague for decades because of high BP. I'm getting tired of the rubbish advice that I've been given over the years. I'm tempted to stop listening all together.

I've always wondered about the sailors who lived off salted beef and other meats in their months away at sea in days before refrigerations. Did they die on board from heart attacks, always? I cannot see why they would not see so much salt as poison? If it is.

 

[MikeTurin]

But figs are really high on sugars, especially the dried ones, isn't it?
My dietician put 'en on the "do not eat" list.

 

[Tannith]

I've always wondered about the sailors who lived off salted beef and other meats in their months away at sea in days before refrigerations. Did they die on board from heart attacks, always? I cannot see why they would not see so much salt as poison? If it is.

They died of scurvy caused by lack of vitamin C

 

[MikeTurin]

I've always wondered about the sailors who lived off salted beef and other meats in their months away at sea in days before refrigerations. Did they die on board from heart attacks, always? I cannot see why they would not see so much salt as poison? If it is.

They were also subjet to scurvy, I suppose.
And for sure the deaths by drowning were the most probable cause for a sailor.

By the way in these days working on a ship implied a lot of physical activity.

 

[CherryAA]

I have avoided it like the plague for decades because of high BP. I'm getting tired of the rubbish advice that I've been given over the years. I'm tempted to stop listening all together.

I know what you mean - it seems everywhere one turns people have been making overly simplistic assumptions and then providing advice for humanity based on it. That is why I have now moved very much to trying to understand how my body responds to what I do to it, and how others bodies do the same at the n=1 level using basic English - as opposed to be bamboozled with specialist things I have little hope of understanding !

 

[Alexandra100]

I've always wondered about the sailors who lived off salted beef and other meats in their months away at sea in days before refrigerations. Did they die on board from heart attacks, always? I cannot see why they would not see so much salt as poison? If it is.

They probably died of scurvy before they could develop heart problems.
Sorry, I see someone else already suggested this.

 

[Alexandra100]

But figs are really high on sugars, especially the dried ones, isn't it?
My dietician put 'en on the "do not eat" list.

Yes, I think at least 6 of Dr Axe's 12 contain plenty of carbs.