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[paulomor]

Are there alternatives to bread, potatoes and rice or is it a question of just going cold turkey. Would Livlife bread be ok. Also looked at cauliflower rice. Any other alternatives would be very welcome

 

[Resurgam]

I am surprised that you need more protein than you could get from normal foods - I suspect that you are not eating well - not in general, and for your diabetes in particular.
I do eat livelife bread once in a while, and I make cheese waffles - to wrap around sausages.
My daily intake of carbs is under 40 gm, I eat twice a day, usually, and have proper meals, meat with the fat that comes with it - I do cut off the fat if I find I don't want it - I do go with how I feel quite a lot.
Chicken with the skin and bone left in so I can use an air fryer which stirs the food around - I make stir frys from low carb veges, eat salads with oil and vinegar dressings.

 

[paulomor]

I am surprised that you need more protein than you could get from normal foods - I suspect that you are not eating well - not in general, and for your diabetes in particular.
I do eat livelife bread once in a while, and I make cheese waffles - to wrap around sausages.
My daily intake of carbs is under 40 gm, I eat twice a day, usually, and have proper meals, meat with the fat that comes with it - I do cut off the fat if I find I don't want it - I do go with how I feel quite a lot.
Chicken with the skin and bone left in so I can use an air fryer which stirs the food around - I make stir frys from low carb veges, eat salads with oil and vinegar dressings.

I am taking in between 1.7 and 2.5g protein per kilo of bodyweight along with healthy fats in the form of omega 3s, mct oil, linseed oil, flaxseed powder, and other fibre sources and watching carbs as best I can. Hopefully, from Monday I will be a bit stricter regarding carbs and maybe take a shot at the 16/8 fasting regime

 

[Resurgam]

Seed oils can be a problem for some people, even those labelled as 'healthy' as the concept of saturated fats being deadly is proving to be problematic - we need saturated fats to survive, and whilst processed foods are being produced to the accepted ideas, there can be problems if you are heavily dependant on them.

 

[paulomor]

Seed oils can be a problem for some people, even those labelled as 'healthy' as the concept of saturated fats being deadly is proving to be problematic - we need saturated fats to survive, and whilst processed foods are being produced to the accepted ideas, there can be problems if you are heavily dependant on them.

When I eat steak, pork chops, I always eat the fat, best bit and only reason I eat them

 

[Mbaker]

I understand what you are saying but I cannever seem to diet,stop drinking unless I have something to replace it with and that is always weight training. The shakes are convenient and more to supplement my protein intake wanting to get the most out of the hard work I put in.

Weight training is great. I think I know what you are trying to achieve as I am on high protein. Your diet seems to be close to Stan Efferding's Vertical Diet. Your body may not be ready for the carb choices. I would replace the high gi carbs with asparagus, brussels, leeks, green beans, bell peppers, bean sprouts, cucumber, courgettes, couple of cherry tomatoes, raspberries, strawberries

(Salmon, Duck and Chicken mix with Prawns. 3 x Fillet Steaks / Onions, Mushrooms, Tomatoes and Squash Chips) Around 200 grams of protein at 91.5 kg or 202 lbs, carbs no more than about 30)


This was my best meal day ever, as I did not have any side plates of nuts or berries. My lean muscle mass is 72 kg, never taken a shake or PED's, pre or post workouts. I believe liquid protein is marginal at the top end. Leucine just needs to be present in a wider window than what bro science states and a progressive stimulus to muscle failure. I am considering signing up to the Ketogains protocol, as they are the real experts,

This video shows a real world example of a person taking shakes compared to whole food:

This guy has a pro card and is strict keto:

 

[paulomor]

When I eat steak, pork chops, I always eat the fat, best bit and only reason I eat them

I see from your sig a massive drop in your A1c and you've kept it at the same leve

Weight training is great. I think I know what you are trying to achieve as I am on high protein. Your diet seems to be close to Stan Efferding's Vertical Diet. Your body may not be ready for the carb choices. I would replace the high gi carbs with asparagus, brussels, leeks, green beans, bell peppers, bean sprouts, cucumber, courgettes, couple of cherry tomatoes, raspberries, strawberries

(Salmon, Duck and Chicken mix with Prawns. 3 x Fillet Steaks / Onions, Mushrooms, Tomatoes and Squash Chips) Around 200 grams of protein at 91.5 kg or 202 lbs, carbs no more than about 30)
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This was my best meal day ever, as I did not have any side plates of nuts or berries. My lean muscle mass is 72 kg, never taken a shake or PED's, pre or post workouts. I believe liquid protein is marginal at the top end. Leucine just needs to be present in a wider window than what bro science states and a progressive stimulus to muscle failure. I am considering signing up to the Ketogains protocol, as they are the real experts,

This video shows a real world example of a person taking shakes compared to whole food:

This guy has a pro card and is strict keto:

Thank you, haven't watched all the way through yet but looks very informative. All the sort of stuff I need to be looking at before I start. The shakes are more for convenience tbh, sort of having a kick start to begin with, really makes you appreciate food further down the line.
I have completed a Velocity diet back in @ 2006, the mk1 that didn't allow any meals for 4 weeks and gradually weaned you back onto food. I thought I was too old then but here I am at 57 giving it a go again, this time for health reasons, who would've believed it.

 

[paulomor]

Just an update, doc is going to put me on Gliptin alongside the metformin