SunnyExpat
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Low carb horse
Low carb horseYes I eat sausages and I read the label on the pack so I know they are low carb.
That's cool, cow or horse I'm not that bothered tbh as long as I like the taste and it's low carb.Low carb horse
Me, I'll eat anything, I have no illusions, cheap meat is the bits others won't eat.That's cool, cow or horse I'm not that bothered tbh as long as I like the taste and it's low carb.
30+ miles on such a low amount of fluids (500ml) is a lot less than I could do. And to be fair, that would probably be my day.Bobby59
I have read the thread with interest and thought I would chip in.
The photo of me is old now, I have lost another 10kg since then, following a LCHF lifestyle for the past 15 months.
In total I have lost 32kgs, 10 inches off my waist, and dropped from 16.1 at diagnosis to 5.1 on my last HB1AC.
Diet and exercise has been the way I have achieved this.
Not once have I felt hungry.
I have more energy than ever before, and my body now uses fat as a fuel.
I eat more vegetables than before and know how each food type will affect me having tested myself with different foods and gathered the information, working out what I can eat and tolerate (without spiking)
I used to need carbs / gels / energy drink to ride 20 miles and would cramp up on occasion also.
I now ride 30+ miles fasted (and then head home for a cooked breakfast) with a fluid intake of 500mls water or less.
I am no longer dependent on carbs for energy but do carry a gel and energy bar just in case.
The advice I was given was to follow the NICE guidelines and the Eatwell plate.
I spoke to the nurse about this advice and she agreed (off the record) that the route I was following was more sensible than the advice she was obliged to provide.
The evidence was clear. Each checkup I was losing weight, had more energy and the results were constantly improving.
My cholesterol also dropped and everything is now within normal range.
If I hadn't followed the LCHF guidelines on this forum and from independent research I'd probably be in a very dark place.
Based on my research I set myself a target of 55g carbs per day and set my intake as 15% carbs, 30% protein and 55% fat.
For me this works, and I no longer think about how to achieve this, my body guides me to this.
If I eat more than100g carbs I feel it (lethargy, stiffness etc) so I have found a ratio that works for me.
My advice is to do lots of research, challenge convention and come to your own conclusions.
What works for me will not work for everyone.
The best advice I can give is to eat to your body - that means if you crave a chocolate croissant then have one
I hope this helps give context in a scary amount of information floating about on the internet.
Yes I eat sausages and I read the label on the pack so I know they are low carb.
And what on earth has that to do with the X-pert course?`The basic dona kebab is lamb meat. I think the point was you do not know what is in dona kebab, meat wise, the same goes for sausages. Especially off the shelf bought pri packed or frozen sausages regardless of what the label says.
I have given some thought to chicken dona kebabs they have to be mostly chicken and there for ok to eat on the HFLC diet.
Have a look at this link. It gets the essential idea of LCHF across really well.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds
Fresh. Natural. Unprocessed. Wholesome.
That kebab is none of those things.
Bobby59
I have read the thread with interest and thought I would chip in.
The photo of me is old now, I have lost another 10kg since then, following a LCHF lifestyle for the past 15 months.
In total I have lost 32kgs, 10 inches off my waist, and dropped from 16.1 at diagnosis to 5.1 on my last HB1AC.
Diet and exercise has been the way I have achieved this.
Not once have I felt hungry.
I have more energy than ever before, and my body now uses fat as a fuel.
I eat more vegetables than before and know how each food type will affect me having tested myself with different foods and gathered the information, working out what I can eat and tolerate (without spiking)
I used to need carbs / gels / energy drink to ride 20 miles and would cramp up on occasion also.
I now ride 30+ miles fasted (and then head home for a cooked breakfast) with a fluid intake of 500mls water or less.
I am no longer dependent on carbs for energy but do carry a gel and energy bar just in case.
The advice I was given was to follow the NICE guidelines and the Eatwell plate.
I spoke to the nurse about this advice and she agreed (off the record) that the route I was following was more sensible than the advice she was obliged to provide.
The evidence was clear. Each checkup I was losing weight, had more energy and the results were constantly improving.
My cholesterol also dropped and everything is now within normal range.
If I hadn't followed the LCHF guidelines on this forum and from independent research I'd probably be in a very dark place.
Based on my research I set myself a target of 55g carbs per day and set my intake as 15% carbs, 30% protein and 55% fat.
For me this works, and I no longer think about how to achieve this, my body guides me to this.
If I eat more than100g carbs I feel it (lethargy, stiffness etc) so I have found a ratio that works for me.
My advice is to do lots of research, challenge convention and come to your own conclusions.
What works for me will not work for everyone.
The best advice I can give is to eat to your body - that means if you crave a chocolate croissant then have one
I hope this helps give context in a scary amount of information floating about on the internet.
Bobby59
I have read the thread with interest and thought I would chip in.
The photo of me is old now, I have lost another 10kg since then, following a LCHF lifestyle for the past 15 months.
In total I have lost 32kgs, 10 inches off my waist, and dropped from 16.1 at diagnosis to 5.1 on my last HB1AC.
Diet and exercise has been the way I have achieved this.
Not once have I felt hungry.
I have more energy than ever before, and my body now uses fat as a fuel.
I eat more vegetables than before and know how each food type will affect me having tested myself with different foods and gathered the information, working out what I can eat and tolerate (without spiking)
I used to need carbs / gels / energy drink to ride 20 miles and would cramp up on occasion also.
I now ride 30+ miles fasted (and then head home for a cooked breakfast) with a fluid intake of 500mls water or less.
I am no longer dependent on carbs for energy but do carry a gel and energy bar just in case.
The advice I was given was to follow the NICE guidelines and the Eatwell plate.
I spoke to the nurse about this advice and she agreed (off the record) that the route I was following was more sensible than the advice she was obliged to provide.
The evidence was clear. Each checkup I was losing weight, had more energy and the results were constantly improving.
My cholesterol also dropped and everything is now within normal range.
If I hadn't followed the LCHF guidelines on this forum and from independent research I'd probably be in a very dark place.
Based on my research I set myself a target of 55g carbs per day and set my intake as 15% carbs, 30% protein and 55% fat.
For me this works, and I no longer think about how to achieve this, my body guides me to this.
If I eat more than100g carbs I feel it (lethargy, stiffness etc) so I have found a ratio that works for me.
My advice is to do lots of research, challenge convention and come to your own conclusions.
What works for me will not work for everyone.
The best advice I can give is to eat to your body - that means if you crave a chocolate croissant then have one
I hope this helps give context in a scary amount of information floating about on the internet.
I think you'll find that the rise in diabetes type 2 correlates to the switch to high carb low fats diet which most 'slimming' diets push and has become the accepted viewpoint for the majority on what makes a healthy diet, there's lots of excellent books on the topic, 'Big fat lies' is one I'd recommend, but you'll find lots more recommended on this site all well researched and written by well qualified reputable professionals.I could not agree more. Thank you my apologies, my comments were meant to open a productive debate. But instead I got a bit of a personal bashing for not bowing to the status quo that seems to be going on here. As the nice man said He clearly can not understand what it is I am dong here as he clearly fails to see any possibility of there being any thing untoward with the HFLC diet a lot like my fanatical friend.
A question that I feel is very important. Given the history of supposed fantastic diets and miraculous cures. It is possible the HFLC diet is little more than yet one more fad. I look at the sudden turn around in medical science from fats being bad to fats being good all most over night as breath taking. I wonder why this amazing change of events strangely came along with a increase of Type Two Diabetes.
Some years ago I heard a story of a wall in a small town in America. After a big storm a faint image of what looked like a man with long hair and a beard and what looked like a halo around his head on the wall. Soon enough the image was thought to be that of Jesus Christ and people came from all over to see it and prey next to it. Some claimed to have been cured of illness because of it. This went on for many years making the small town very popular. Then one day there was another big storm when the dust settled clear as it could be on the wall was a painted advert for cigarettes with a depiction of a long hair, beard cowboy and his ten gallon hat..
I'm just wondering if this is a wind up? LolI can no longer make comments about my ex newly found friend as he no longer wishes my company after I pointed out his being under weight and could be taking the diet to far.. As we parted company I wish him a hart felt good luck as he very angrily went his way ranting some thing about people not minding their own business. Strange he is the one telling every one who'll stand still long enough about the HFLC diet.
EDIT:- you can lead a person to a cup cake but you can not make them eat it.
Meat, fat and salad is exactly what works for me! Dr Jason Fung has an extensive (exhaustive?) blog on the benefits of LC HF eating. He is a nephrologist, and very well educated. I'd recommend his site, it's the most comprehensive I've found... and I love that he includes the scientific studies that form the base of his medical treatment for type 2 diabetes.I will not lower my self to having a fight with you, so I will allow your comments to pass and I will try to talk to you like a grown up. So NoCrbs4Me, as a fully recovered type two diabetic, what do you think was or is your trigger weight?
I was fully diagnosed as being Type Two Diabetic, August 2nd 2014 and I was around 18 stone at the time. During November 2014 I took up cycling and I have rode many many miles completing three long distance charity cycle rides during the summer of 2015. Not long after I started cycling my weigh reduced to around 17s 8lb on no diet, in fact my carbs intake went up during this time to compensate for the extra efforts during long distance cycling. Since then I have been lucky and I have reduced my weight further to around 16s 8lb, mostly between January 2016 and present day (sadly through illness not diet). Recently my wife and I have take up some carbs dodging. At the moment my weight remains around the 16 st 8 lb mark. I have noticed a huge change in my blood sugar levels they have dropped off like they have fallen off a cliff. I am fairly confident should I continue to further reduce my weight, my blood sugar could drop even further, and this is with out any drastic diets. I am not suggesting any one gets desperately ill to achieve this weight loss, I am trying to point out my weight loss has come about as a result of hard work and more recently a fluke. This weight loss has alone had a big effect on my blood sugar levels with out a drastic diet being involved..Because of recent illness I have had to reduce my cycling but I hope to fully return to it shortly. I have two cycling charity events lined up for summer 2016.
The News paper article suggests you can go back to normal eating after you go below your personal trigger weight. Naturally any one would advise smaller portions and keeping an eye on the carbs intake less bread and fewer pizza's. But none the less you could again enjoy the meany food options available to you with out going as over board as you did in the past. Combine this with regular exercise such as cycling or jogging a few miles three times a week and you are good to go.
Very often I read about people who have used the HFLC diet and achieved fantastic results. But very rarely is there any mention of exercise included as being a part of the end result. I would go so far as to say gluttony and lazyness is what caused the problem in the first place. I openly used carb loading sports drinks during my first year of being diabetic as an aid to achieving my cycling goals and simply burnt them off when cycling. I know now this was a wrong approach but I still lost weight all be it slowly.
For me I see the HFLC diet as a means to an end rather than a total life style change. Shift the weight and you remove the diabetes problem I feel it really is that simple.
I have a fun question for you. If you take the flat bread out of a small dona kebab what is left has to be good for you on the HFLC diet. As what is left is just meat, fat and some salad. Am I right or wrong?
I get the nitrate-free kindYou're eating the wrong sort of food then.
What do you believe is in proper meat?
Do you have a link to ingredients a decent meat and the reason you believe you shouldn't eat it?.
(Bacon, that's an exception, it's a mess of chemicals, but still worth eating as well, when I can get it)
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May I ask a couple of questions. When doing your 30 miler, do you know if your Heart rate is in the 60-70% of MRH range for the bulk of the ride or higher ?...
Hi BobbyType two for a year with added bladder cancer lucky me. This is the problem given the huge amount of miss information on the internet can you truly trust the word of experts who not so long ago was telling us fats were bad Mkay. I spoke to my doctor about the HFLC diet and he said the jury is still out and I should just stick to a balanced diet for now. One other thing I will not be bullied into submitting to your agree with me or get the F..K out tactics.
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