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EU - In or Out + Poll.

EU: Leave, stay or undecided?

  • Leave

    Votes: 83 42.3%

  • Stay

    Votes: 101 51.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 12 6.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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Catlady19 said:
I don't see anything wrong with that list! Love British food and Cadbury is my favourite! I agree with @Cumberland I don't think those car manufacturers will want to lose trade. If the EU don't want to trade, there is always the rest of the world!
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Sadly Cadbury is now owned by Kraft (USA) who have changed the recipe and upped the sugar content since acquisition:)


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SunnyExpat said:
Ironically, it appears some posters think they can support a massive expansion if they need to increase production several fold.
I foresee some disappointment when Bernard Matthews comes to the forefront of British meat production..
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Well perhaps they can get some subsidy if needed from the money we will be saving from the EU or perhaps they won't need it because of all the extra money they will be charging us. o_O
 
SunnyExpat said:
I bet the british farmers, and the british milk producers will even lay on a substantial discount for you, if you show the EU who's boss, and refuse to buy their produce and there's no competition for them anymore.
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Also, it is about time British milk producers got a fair price for their products!!
 
Catlady19 said:
Well perhaps they can get some subsidy if needed from the money we will be saving from the EU or perhaps they won't need it because of all the extra money they will be charging us. o_O
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Theoretically they can. The British public tend to see all farmers as rich though, whilst they are happy for EU money (which we have paid in) to come back to UK farmers I don't think they will be so happy about their own taxes going direct to help the farmers. I also don't think most will be too happy to see produce prices go up and will blame the farmers for being greedy.
 
zand said:
Did @tim2000s actually suggest that?

Edit: my 90 year old Aunt voted remain because 'It won't affect me much, but it will be bad for you younger ones if we leave' and she's a Daily Express reader too! :)
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Was also surprised to discover that my mother had voted remain, also sighting the damage a leave vote could do to the younger generations. Almost told her how proud I was of her but thought this might sound patronising! She is a Daily Mail reader!
 
Some of the comments on this thread have got me thinking (yeh sorry about that, a few of you will remember what happened last time I did that...):rolleyes:

So it was a democratic vote. Democracy is good and fair. Democracy gives an equal say to all qualifying voters. That's their right. Surely though duties come hand in hand with rights? If one has the right to vote, then one has the duty to do his/her best to understand what is being voted for and what will be the consequences if that side wins? This is where 'democracy' fails. Far too many were happy to be spoonfed by the newspapers without even questioning that what was printed was correct. Far too many thought they were voting in their own best self interest (great, that's patriotic of them then:rolleyes:) only to find out next day that they had probably shot themselves in the foot and voted the wrong way.

It was never right for this important decision to be given to the people when the majority of our elected MPs (of any party) were all for remaining in the EU. So we elected these people to represent us and then took it on ourselves to go against their wishes and beliefs. What a mess! I will sit back and watch the outcome with interest.
 
zand said:
Some of the comments on this thread have got me thinking (yeh sorry about that, a few of you will remember what happened last time I did that...):rolleyes:

So it was a democratic vote. Democracy is good and fair. Democracy gives an equal say to all qualifying voters. That's their right. Surely though duties come hand in hand with rights? If one has the right to vote, then one has the duty to do his/her best to understand what is being voted for and what will be the consequences if that side wins? This is where 'democracy' fails. Far too many were happy to be spoonfed by the newspapers without even questioning that what was printed was correct. Far too many thought they were voting in their own best self interest (great, that's patriotic of them then:rolleyes:) only to find out next day that they had probably shot themselves in the foot and voted the wrong way.

It was never right for this important decision to be given to the people when the majority of our elected MPs (of any party) were all for remaining in the EU. So we elected these people to represent us and then took it on ourselves to go against their wishes and beliefs. What a mess! I will sit back and watch the outcome with interest.
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But you wouldn't be complaining about democracy if remain had won. There were clearly many people who voted remain purely on the scare tactics of the remain campaign and press because they were unsure or afraid or voted "in their own best interests".

Of course most MPs said they were in remain, it was in their own best interests to do so. Are you actually saying that we should just shut up and do as our MPs tell us as a we are all too stupid to make our own decisions? We have been asking for and promised a referendum for years because a large percentage of the population were not happy with the situation. They didn't listen. Now the public has spoken and the MPs have to do something about it. Perhaps if they had taken control and done something sooner, you would not be in this situation.
 
zand said:
Feeling very sick now having read reports of hate notes being pushed through the doors of Polish residents. How can anyone treat a hard working community like that?

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...oles/ar-AAhDMxA?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignoutmd
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Makes you feel ashamed to be British.

I think thousands of young folk are organising several events in London this week aimed st peace and reconciliation... More about what we DO stand for rather than what we DON'T.


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Catlady19 said:
But you wouldn't be complaining about democracy if remain had won. There were clearly many people who voted remain purely on the scare tactics of the remain campaign and press because they were unsure or afraid or voted "in their own best interests".

Of course most MPs said they were in remain, it was in their own best interests to do so. Are you actually saying that we should just shut up and do as our MPs tell us as a we are all too stupid to make our own decisions? We have been asking for and promised a referendum for years because a large percentage of the population were not happy with the situation. They didn't listen. Now the public has spoken and the MPs have to do something about it. Perhaps if they had taken control and done something sooner, you would not be in this situation.
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We made our decisions already by voting the MPs in to represent us!

Edit: If anyone was unsure of which way to vote, then remain (ie keeping the status quo) was the right choice.

Edit 2: I don't know about you, but I don't like being called vermin (the Poles in the news) so I'm leaving this thread now. Things have got far too serious for me to be chatting about this online.
 
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zand said:
Far too many were happy to be spoonfed by the newspapers without even questioning that what was printed was correct.
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In fairness that was the same for both sides of the referendum debate @zand

There was a lady in the Question Time EU Debate audience last week who asked why she couldn't find a honest, impartial answers to the pro's & con's of staying or leaving the EU, I have to say I quite agreed with her.
 
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