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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

eddie1968 said:
My last thought on this. I have tried to be positive and put my points across to all those who are unhappy about the referendum result. Not one person has been optimistic or accepted any points I've made and try the pseudo-intellectual arguments of answering questions with another question or are very pessimistic and have the worst case scenario explained to me. The referdum was really about "sovereignty" and not about the economic arguments. Those who voted leave knew some financial sacrifices would have to be made in the short term. Those who are still going to rant on and not accept a democratic decision with a high turnout really are sore losers and need to move on. Finis. :)
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Oh dear. That sovereignty thing was yet another lie. I don't just have T1 diabetes, i also have Cohn's disease, and following a very serious operation in 2011, I was treated appallingly by this government. They even decided I had been cured of an incurable illness, and the only thing that stopped them was human rights laws that overruled them. So much to be gained by handing even more control back to a bunch of right wing zealots!

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ukuleleplayer said:
It will take time. We won't leave EU for at least 2 - 3 years. It'll then be up to the gov't of the day. Hopefully this will come to pass. Cameron made a big thing of how little the EU contributions are (c. 1% of GDP). One has to ask, why not increase the NHS funding anyway. It simply cannot undertake the (increasing) job asked of it with the funding provided.
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Actually, there is a two year time limit for the negotiations, article 50 to be issued and for the exit to be finalised. The EU want it done asap.

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azure said:
I have edited some posts here. Please can we keep debate polite.

We know there are two opposing sides here, but can we stick to discussing the ideas courteously :)
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I agree, people have to accept different opinions. The result of this referendum doesn't automatically mean those who disagree with it have to like it, and vice versa. We can all avoid name-calling and being derogatory to each other though.

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Mod Edit to remove unnecessary comment, please refrain from personal attacks and insinuations.

Catlady19 said:
There may have been many trade deals but at least we were allowed to trade. The EU has been restricting our trade for years. The whole point of joining the EEC was to improve trade.
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This is what the CBI said - the CBI represents businesses in the UK, so I think their opinion really counts for something:

Access to a $16.6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people is the key benefit

  • UK firms’ access to the Single Market goes beyond a standard free-trade agreement - the EU has eliminated tariff barriers and customs procedures within its borders, and has taken strides towards removing non-tariff barriers - such as different product regulations - by enforcing EU-wide competition law and coordinating product regulations.
  • 76% of CBI members say that the ability to freely buy and sell products in the EU has had a positive impact on their business, including 74% of SMEs.
  • It has been estimated that UK trade with some countries in Europe could have increased by as much as 50% as a result of EU membership.
  • The Single Market also underpins access to European supply chains. In 2009 $207bn of the UK’s total of $293bn of exports to the rest of the EU27 was used as inputs to industries, rather than being consumed directly; and the UK imported $161bn of intermediates from the EU27 in 2009. Imported intermediates are important even to domestically-focused sectors: the health & social care sector used $19bn of imported intermediates (principally of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals).
 
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MickyFinn said:
Actually, there is a two year time limit for the negotiations, article 50 to be issued and for the exit to be finalised. The EU want it done asap.

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Not quite, only from the moment the big red Article 50 button is pressed does the 2 year countdown begin. There's now some interesting stuff coming out from the constitutional lawyers which says legally speaking, there should be an act of parliament for it to be pressed - we are a parliamentary democracy, and the government of the day, or indeed its leader, shouldn't be able to call Article 50 without that. Given most MPs were in the 'stay' camp and also given what an unmitigated disaster it's been so far, that's not a given.
 
zand said:
Neither. I'm a cup full person right now. :D
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Yes, I've spent two days, moving money, and heavily investing in the UK now.
However, the reality is, it's not in the places I would have been investing in if the remain vote won.
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
Not quite, only from the moment the big red Article 50 button is pressed does the 2 year countdown begin. There's now some interesting stuff coming out from the constitutional lawyers which says legally speaking, there should be an act of parliament for it to be pressed - we are a parliamentary democracy, and the government of the day, or indeed its leader, shouldn't be able to call Article 50 without that. Given most MPs were in the 'stay' camp and also given what an unmitigated disaster it's been so far, that's not a given.
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I know, I can see it simply not happening. All we have right now is infighting on all sides of the Commons, and none of them are fit to oversee anything, let alone the exit from the EU.

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ChrisSamsDad said:
Not quite, only from the moment the big red Article 50 button is pressed does the 2 year countdown begin. There's now some interesting stuff coming out from the constitutional lawyers which says legally speaking, there should be an act of parliament for it to be pressed - we are a parliamentary democracy, and the government of the day, or indeed its leader, shouldn't be able to call Article 50 without that. Given most MPs were in the 'stay' camp and also given what an unmitigated disaster it's been so far, that's not a given.
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Considering the billions we've wiped off europe's value, I don't think they will let us now.
But it would be good for me if they did.
 
MickyFinn said:
£1.8 billion that our own government would never have pumped into Wales. The EU was effectively doing what successive UK governments refused to do, and invest in rundown areas with low unemployment. Those areas have been left to rot since the 1980's or since the industries that provided the bulk of employment for them were closed by that same UK government. So yes, it is our own money, and ironically, it was going to be used for what it should have been instead of trident or nuclear power stations! ;)

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I do love your Crystal ball, can I borrow it, mine appears to be broken. ;)
 
MickyFinn said:
Actually, there is a two year time limit for the negotiations, article 50 to be issued and for the exit to be finalised. The EU want it done asap.

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Actually, we can issue article 50 when we want to, not when EU wants us to and the two years can be extended with agreement.
 
Catlady19 said:
Actually, we can issue article 50 when we want to, not when EU wants us to and the two years can be extended with agreement.
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You have actually grasped that the EU want us to leave now, and are looking at ways to invoke article 50 for us?
You really expect them to sanction an extension??
 
Catlady19 said:
I do love your Crystal ball, can I borrow it, mine appears to be broken. ;)
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You know, I checked my comment again, and I made no predictions. The EU had already committed to investing £1.8 billion in Wales, that's a fact! Referencing what happened in the 80's is hardly a prediction, and successive UK governments certainly haven't invested in deprived areas of Britain, the EU has done so. Maybe you just don't have a proper argument so you attempted to obfuscate ;)

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Bluetit1802 said:
There seem to be two distinct groups of people posting here.

Negative, cup half empty pessimists spouting doom and gloom.

Positive, cup half full optimists wanting to unite the country.

Personally, I 'm in the second group. Which group are you in?
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Half full and half empty.
Empty, it's chickens coming home to roost.. governments from both sides have taken their eye off services to the general public and when things get tough people look for people to blame... and it is usually the minority to gets it. Labour are going for purity rather than getting re-elected leaving the field open to the right... and Boris clearly did not expect to win and is having to make it pretty **** quick. So gutted for the UK.

Full, voted stay in the ScotRef, felt more british that scottish... that's changed because of the above and will probably vote leave and hope Edinburgh is more accountable than Westminster. Nicola S was the only politician on Friday who was ready for either outcome.... impressed with her. It won't be easy but she has to have a better shot than the Tory right.
 
Of course Nicols S was ready. Has it not crossed your mind she was praying for a leave vote in England and Wales, and a remain vote in Scotland? Her golden opportunity to have the second referendum she has always wanted. Her speech was written a long time before the results were known. She didn't impress me.
 
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