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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

May was a quiet Remain, but I would still prefer her.

Quiet, detailed, amazing grasp of Europe, a states person who could get on well with Merkel and bridge some of the divisions, may also reach out across the parties.

Her Achilles heel is the fact that she was a Remainer!

As far as I can see there is only likely to be Gove and Fox as Leavers, both of whom in my opinion do not have what it takes.


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tim2000s said:
There is one option missing from those proffered. The Referendum was never binding on parliament, unlike the alternative voting system referendum. As a result, the other, nuclear, option, is that Article 50 is never triggered and we never leave the EU. That would, from the Economic perspective, resolve the issues outlined above.

It would anger about 75% of those who voted "Leave", which accounts for about 28% of the population, make the remainers very happy, the 27% who didn't vote wouldn't care, and politics in this country would have to start from a completely new base. Probably wiht a much more active right wing element, as we see in the rest of Europe.

Just another thing to consider.
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I mostly agree. Except I think it would anger 99% of those who voted leave. Also, it is possible that if a Tory government effectively ignors the referendum and doesn't enact article 50, perhaps the UK will vote overwhelmingly Labour in the next election because the Conservatives will get the blame.
 
Catlady19 said:
I mostly agree. Except I think it would anger 99% of those who voted leave. Also, it is possible that if a Tory government effectively ignors the referendum and doesn't enact article 50, perhaps the UK will vote overwhelmingly Labour in the next election because the Conservatives will get the blame.
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If an act of Parliament is required, as is being suggested, then it doesn't matter who is in charge!


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KevinPotts said:
May was a quiet Remain, but I would still prefer her.

Quiet, detailed, amazing grasp of Europe, a states person who could get on well with Merkel and bridge some of the divisions, may also reach out across the parties.

Her Achilles heel is the fact that she was a Remainer!

As far as I can see there is only likely to be Gove and Fox as Leavers, both of whom in my opinion do not have what it takes.


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Crabb could be in the running, but a remainer as well.
Becoming even a greater mess there.

I wonder how the markets will take that news?
 
tim2000s said:
If an act of Parliament is required, as is being suggested, then it doesn't matter who is in charge!


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It would be an interesting scenario if we decided not to initiate the process, and kept the world in limbo.
It doesn't look possible that the EU would let us try to get the genie back in the bottle.
The adjustments seem to have already begun to take shape, at a severe cost, worldwide.
To suddenly change our mind again, and give a message that the democratic government is prepared to ignore the opinion it sort, would diminish the credibility of the country.
 
zand said:
I think we all understand the sheep following one another principle into a dead end well enough, no need to be an expert to understand that one. I'm out now. Time to do what you suggested in the other thread look after my own family before I think of anyone else.

Jeez I'm speechless, I really am.
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That will make a change! ;)
 
Catlady19 said:
I mostly agree. Except I think it would anger 99% of those who voted leave. Also, it is possible that if a Tory government effectively ignors the referendum and doesn't enact article 50, perhaps the UK will vote overwhelmingly Labour in the next election because the Conservatives will get the blame.
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and labour being in the state they are in... looking like terminal decline.. electorate = shafted.
 
The Tories have shot themselves in the foot, they are damned if they do, damned if they don't evoke article 50, perhaps as David Cameron did they should pass the buck, to Labour (actually make that someone else!) with a general election!
 
I think it's manifesto could be summed up by him nicely here.

“It was taking an American-style media approach,” said Banks. “What they said early on was ‘facts don’t work’ and that’s it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.”

You may be looking at your new Prime Minister there.
He seems to have successfully led a very effective coup, without even being seen.
 
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SunnyExpat said:
It would be an interesting scenario if we decided not to initiate the process, and kept the world in limbo.
It doesn't look possible that the EU would let us try to get the genie back in the bottle.
The adjustments seem to have already begun to take shape, at a severe cost, worldwide.
To suddenly change our mind again, and give a message that the democratic government is prepared to ignore the opinion it sort, would diminish the credibility of the country.
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That would be the nuclear option and will not happen in my opinion


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The problems arise if the offer on the table at the end of the day is not acceptable to government and the country and what we HAD was better. Notice I said what we had cos I reckon once we invoke article 50 we have burnt our bridges and they won't negotiate before we send in our notice.
As a lesson to others we going to be hung out to dry! Doing the job of pm may well be a poison chalice like being a manager of England. D

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KevinPotts said:
That would be the nuclear option and will not happen in my opinion


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Can the referendum simply be written out of history?
Someone has spent £11m on it so far.
And intends to start a political party with the aim of pushing the button.
(That also makes the leave campaign pointing to the city, and complaining it was run by the rich slightly laughable, and lifts it away from the grass roots level)

Although I would be more than happy if it didn't happen, I'm still picking up bargains on the stock market even today, this is a development I will be watching closer to the date, and I may indeed be selling shares, and investing in the krugerrand.
 
I don't think the Brexit politicians are up to putting the case because the sum total of their, "Your trying to scare us!" argument will not work with European negotiators. :):) D
KevinPotts said:
May was a quiet Remain, but I would still prefer her.

Quiet, detailed, amazing grasp of Europe, a states person who could get on well with Merkel and bridge some of the divisions, may also reach out across the parties.

Her Achilles heel is the fact that she was a Remainer!

As far as I can see there is only likely to be Gove and Fox as Leavers, both of whom in my opinion do not have what it takes.


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Your enough to make me a Marxist! :);)
SunnyExpat said:
Can the referendum simply be written out of history?
Someone has spent £11m on it so far.
And intends to start a political party with the aim of pushing the button.
(That also makes the leave campaign pointing to the city, and complaining it was run by the rich slightly laughable, and lifts it away from the grass roots level)

Although I would be more than happy if it didn't happen, I'm still picking up bargains on the stock market even today, this is a development I will be watching closer to the date, and I may indeed be selling shares, and investing in the krugerrand.
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Mark Carney is such statesman like governor of the BoE....a stabilising course corrector within this turbulent storm.


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