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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

SunnyExpat said:
Gove- your link.

Setting out his Brexit plan, Mr Gove said he would not trigger Article 50 - the formal process for leaving the EU - until he was ready to do so.
"The decision to trigger Article 50 is in the hands of the next prime minister. If that is me, I will make a judgement as to when is right for Britain and I won't be hurried or hassled by anyone into pressing that button or triggering that article until I believe it is right for this country," he said.
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seems to be catching
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...reign-minister-eu-support-measure-stop-brexit
 
ickihun said:
Because they are an American firm who put customer service first. That is why they are so successful. The buyer is the bargaining power. As too many suppliers. Unless a unique product.
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Customers are the highest priority to Amazon. My hubby a manager for ghem for 10 years (the 2nd longest serving manager at the time when he left). The pressure upon Managers in their distribution depots is horrendous. Staff are not their highest priority though...

If they had the balance of treating their staff like John Lewis and Waitrose did (prior to changing their contracts etc for new staff) then Amazon would be an all round good company..
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
I think he DID have a plan - it was to stay in the EC. It was a great plan - as many people are now realising.

It's very strange thinking blaming him for the leave campaign winning - he was complicit, obviously, the whole thing was an election strategy to stop the more rabid rightwing supporters of the Tories voting UKIP. I think he was probably right there, they would have done so in their droves and they would have had a split parliament, and a referendum anyway.
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Not blaming him for leave winning, I am blaming him for holding a referendum without a forward action plan, although clearly his action plan was just to run away. Hmm, I bet he is wishing he took the risk of losing a couple of MPs instead of holding the referendum now.
 
Catlady19 said:
Not blaming him for leave winning, I am blaming him for holding a referendum without a forward action plan, although clearly his action plan was just to run away. Hmm, I bet he is wishing he took the risk of losing a couple of MPs instead of holding the referendum now.
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So of all the people to blame for this: The newspapers who urged you to vote leave; the politicians who lied and lied; the racist elements who saw it as an opportunity to register their hatred for foreigners; the rich tax-dodgers who saw a future where Britain was a tax-haven and gave millions to the leave campaign; all the idiots who believed the lies about straight bananas and the rest; the people unable to see the dire economic effects of Brexit despite experts telling them it would happen; the people who said we should listen to experts less; the people who listened to the people who told them to listen to experts less and finally the people who didn't want to leave, but were too lazy to go out and vote - you blame Cameron for setting up a vote you were all clamouring for? I really don't understand.
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
So of all the people to blame for this: The newspapers who urged you to vote leave; the politicians who lied and lied; the racist elements who saw it as an opportunity to register their hatred for foreigners; the rich tax-dodgers who saw a future where Britain was a tax-haven and gave millions to the leave campaign; all the idiots who believed the lies about straight bananas and the rest; the people unable to see the dire economic effects of Brexit despite experts telling them it would happen; the people who said we should listen to experts less; the people who listened to the people who told them to listen to experts less and finally the people who didn't want to leave, but were too lazy to go out and vote - you blame Cameron for setting up a vote you were all clamouring for? I really don't understand.
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It seems to have gone wrong for leave.
There appears to be a Boris style theme of running away from the consequences strongly coming to the front.
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
So of all the people to blame for this: The newspapers who urged you to vote leave; the politicians who lied and lied; the racist elements who saw it as an opportunity to register their hatred for foreigners; the rich tax-dodgers who saw a future where Britain was a tax-haven and gave millions to the leave campaign; all the idiots who believed the lies about straight bananas and the rest; the people unable to see the dire economic effects of Brexit despite experts telling them it would happen; the people who said we should listen to experts less; the people who listened to the people who told them to listen to experts less and finally the people who didn't want to leave, but were too lazy to go out and vote - you blame Cameron for setting up a vote you were all clamouring for? I really don't understand.
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Yes exactly that. My conscience is clear, I voted remain and had good reasons for doing so (mostly from the experts who know a lot more than me) . I'm pretty upset that people on here are accusing me of not caring about the poor and that's what they are reading into my posts. I voted remain for the poor as well as for everyone else. People are saying in 5 years time....can the poor wait that long? I haven't heard one good reason to vote leave, just that some feel Utopia is just around the corner, they don't know why...they just hope so. Really? You couldn't make it up could you?
 
In light of the amount of voters I will be expecting Sunderland to take longer to count the votes for the next general election.
Even poor people can count and vote.
Poor people were the majority of leave voters?
Shame on Britain for not helping their poor.
Making their poor, poorer!

Thankyou DC for leaving a legacy of poverty.
Yes, it looks like the poor revolted. Not just in Sunderland either.
 
Galja said:
"the poor", and in many ways I suppose I am one of them, usually want the luxury to rest a minute and plan for success in every facet of their and everyone else's lives.

Everyone is entitled
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Yes, but leaving the EU has made it worse for them. How can anyone plan now that our future is uncertain? Job prospects are worse, not better. More national debt means less money for the NHS and benefits. Those who voted leave are responsible for potentially making the lives of the poor worse. I am being portrayed as unkind and unfeeling simply because I had the common sense to vote remain.

If it was as clear cut as rich v poor then why did Scotland have the common sense to vote remain? Why do so many leave voters now regret their awful decision?

Edit: I listened to experts who predicted the government would be more right wing if we voted leave. Is that really what the majority of leave voters wanted?
 
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lindisfel said:
Some do not know what it is like being poor. When my eldest went to medical school most of the students had gone to private schools on her course but she went through the comprehensive system. As a class they visited the back to backs in Leeds to see the living conditions of the poor. She was amazed by the rich kids attitudes... Why do people live like this? they asked!! It was obvious why to my daughter, it was because these people were poor!


I like the idea of someone like Crabb becoming PM I think it is a way of getting caring compassionate Conservative views to the fore! These public school types have not experienced living in working class condition. D.
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Oh I hear you!! I was brought up n a rough council estate in Bradford, my mum packed boxes and my dad was a fetter. Some how (and not all because of hard work) I managed what the sociologists like to call "social lift", but to be honest I've experienced much more stress and pressure WITH than I was ever aware of WITHOUT.

I really like Crabb's blue collar conservatism, but unless there is a miracle he won't make it, that's my pragmatism talking:)


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So, what devious back stabbing, and broken promises are we going to have today?

It looks like the remain prophesy of global meltdown seems to have been postponed, as realisation no one is actually prepared to commit to leave is emerging.
 
SunnyExpat said:
So, what devious back stabbing, and broken promises are we going to have today?

It looks like the remain prophesy of global meltdown seems to have been postponed, as realisation no one is actually prepared to commit to leave is emerging.
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We must leave. That's what the public have voted for. There will be riots if we don't and more cries of 'they don't listen' .
 
zand said:
We must leave. That's what the public have voted for. There will be riots if we don't and more cries of 'they don't listen' .
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But it appears the campaign had no substance, it should have been, 'someone must leave for us'.
Then the defense of, 'they didn't leave properly, we would have done it better'.

They're a bit scuppered now.
 
SunnyExpat said:
But it appears the campaign had no substance, it should have been, 'someone must leave for us'.
Then the defense of, 'they didn't leave properly, we would have done it better'.

They're a bit scuppered now.
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Again I agree with you. We're all scuppered now, but that's what we voted for.

Edit: perhaps they should ask for answers on a postcard from the leave voters!
 
zand said:
Again I agree with you. We're all scuppered now, but that's what we voted for.

Edit: perhaps they should ask for answers on a postcard from the leave voters!
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We've seen them.
'It's nothing to do with us, our leaders promised us the leader of the 'Remain' party would give us unicorns and fairy dust if we voted for them. The same man only promised more of the same if we voted for him'
 
The thing is zand the vote leave didn't realise that is all they voted for. They can still have free movement, the single market and having to contribute billions if we are out. The bitter pill is we have lost any say. In a democratic decision we have lost our input to European democracy, how ironic. D. ..
zand said:
Again I agree with you. We're all scuppered now, but that's what we voted for.

Edit: perhaps they should ask for answers on a postcard from the leave voters!
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zand said:
We must leave. That's what the public have voted for. There will be riots if we don't and more cries of 'they don't listen' .
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Only a minority of the public voted for it - twenty something percent didn't bother to vote at all. Perhaps they should have counted as being happy with the status quo as it existed a week or so ago. That would have meant a landslide victory for 'Remain'.
 
lindisfel said:
The thing is zand the vote leave didn't realise that is all they voted for. They can still have free movement, the single market and having to contribute billions if we are out. The bitter pill is we have lost any say. In a democratic decision we have lost our input to European democracy, how ironic. D. ..
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Now the dust has settled, and the main players have come forward, I'm really beginning to wonder if we will be leaving.
I support the 'democratic vote' but in reality, it wasn't the issue voted on.
It would seem that the public turned the vote into British nationality, and immigration, rather than leaving the EU per se.
I could see the outside possibility of a clearer second referendum now, with a different question, now the leave advocates have run for cover, and admitted there is no one to carry out the fantasy they sold.
Also, it may suit the EU to keep Britain in, possibly on a new set of terms.
But there are a few very big players emerging from the background on the leave side, with their own political aspirations, so there is possibly more in the undercurrents than simply leaving the EU.
The public seem to be very politically aware suddenly as well, 60,000 new labour members this week alone, Corbyn seems to be the most popular leader in Labour's history, bearing in mind he had the same magnetic effect in the run up to the original leader elections. It would seem there are a lot of admirers keen to keep labour as it is.
 
KevinPotts said:
I really like Crabb's blue collar conservatism, but unless there is a miracle he won't make it, that's my pragmatism talking:)
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I hope he doesn't make it. His LGBT and Equality position and record is absolutely awful.
 
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