What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

[tim2000s]

On one hand, press the big red button on 4th September, with a somewhat contested level of experience, on the other, press it on January 1st 2017 with a lot of political experience and some interesting views...

What a choice.

 

[eddie1968]

I haven't heard the word Brexit today ! Yay !

 

[eddie1968]

Nah, one I would like to see put themselves forward would be Chuka Umunna, but the Labour Party are a laughing stock at the moment with Corbyn at the helm.

Labour are a laughing stock here in Scotland - not trusted anymore by people who are left of centre. They got booted out in 2015 and will take decades if they get back in here. The SNP are more socialist than Labour and that's why they got a lot of votes.

 

[hankjam]

http://m.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news...__we_ll_grow_our_business_in_Germany_instead/
Sad

 

[tim2000s]

http://m.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news...__we_ll_grow_our_business_in_Germany_instead/
Sad

It was always going to happen. Those in mobile jobs would be the least affected. Those in the less mobile jobs and the services industry for the workers will be. Unfortunately, it appears that it was a lot of those in the less mobile jobs and service industry that voted out.

 

[ickihun]

I'm going to miss LUSH. Who were struggling in England anyway before EU fallout. Ha ha Just an excuse for bad management and the minimum wage increase upset.
Convenient!

 

[tim2000s]

I'm going to miss LUSH. Who were struggling in England anyway before EU fallout. Ha ha Just an excuse for bad management and the minimum wage increase upset.
Convenient!

Whilst they might have been "struggling" they'd been reducing UK losses and had shown profit growth overall of about 25%. That's a good Return in a UK business that has expanded across the EU. Not sure the second half of your statement is entirely valid.


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[Diabetic_Aspie]

Whatever the fallout we have to leave now! The public has spoken and there is no way on earth we can stay. If we try to remain now then the other EU countries will make it difficult for us.



You are so right...and that's because Remain was the only sensible vote.

Hey ho, I'm going to do what folks on another related thread have said....look after me and mine, my family, we'll be fine.

CHARMING! Said like a true Leave voter. Who cares about the world - or even just the neighbours?! Smart people look after their own interests, right? All this stupid **** like love thy neighbour.... just turn our back on the world, close our eyes, lalalalalalalala.....wow, that felt good! As long as keep my eyes shut and my mouth busy...

 

[tim2000s]

Interesting article in the FT this morning and on Radio 4. The immediate impact of the massive drop in Sterling is that many of those who were denigrated by the Leave campaign are either leaving for jobs back in the EU or not coming over. Farmers have reported a significant drop in the migratory European workforce and also many leaving.

Why is this important? Well the sustainability of the UK farming sector has been dependent on the migratory workforce for years, and almost no-one who picks fruit and veg has been British. With a lower value pound, it is not economically sensible for them to travel and stay here to pick the fruit and veg.

So who does it now? Well there are clearly jobs available, so it must be all those who voted leave to take their jobs back from the EU immigrants. Except that the farms are not getting applications from any Brits. In reality, it potentially means that we lose parts of crops that can't be picked.

Farmers this morning were discussing the plans they had made to deal with this on R4. Instead of farming in the UK, there's a fair proportion that are moving out to continental Europe where they can get more land and easier access to labour. Equipment is mobile and so are techniques.

So much for "Support the UK by buying British produce". There aren't enough people to pick it. What a lovely irony that presents...

 

[Diabetic_Aspie]

Interesting article in the FT this morning and on Radio 4. The immediate impact of the massive drop in Sterling is that many of those who were denigrated by the Leave campaign are either leaving for jobs back in the EU or not coming over. Farmers have reported a significant drop in the migratory European workforce and also many leaving.

Why is this important? Well the sustainability of the UK farming sector has been dependent on the migratory workforce for years, and almost no-one who picks fruit and veg has been British. With a lower value pound, it is not economically sensible for them to travel and stay here to pick the fruit and veg.

So who does it now? Well there are clearly jobs available, so it must be all those who voted leave to take their jobs back from the EU immigrants. Except that the farms are not getting applications from any Brits. In reality, it potentially means that we lose parts of crops that can't be picked.

Farmers this morning were discussing the plans they had made to deal with this on R4. Instead of farming in the UK, there's a fair proportion that are moving out to continental Europe where they can get more land and easier access to labour. Equipment is mobile and so are techniques.

So much for "Support the UK by buying British produce". There aren't enough people to pick it. What a lovely irony that presents...

agreed. I just don't understand why does Cameron dig his heels in, ruling out the possibility of the 2nd referendum.

 

[Diabetic_Aspie]

I live in Wales and our town has had very little if anything at all from European funding, no jobs have been created since the closure of the areas coalmines so in my opinion being part of Europe does nothing for my town.

I have not seen anyone with Type 1 diabetes on a dialysis machine, either. And never met anyone working in dialysis department in my city, despite being a doctor in the NHS.

Still, I'm pretty sure they are not lying to us when they say my city has one of the best dialysis unit in the UK, or that renal failure and it's complications are the leading cause of death in DM.

 

[tim2000s]

agreed. I just don't understand why does Cameron dig his heels in, ruling out the possibility of the 2nd referendum.

Well, it's also demonstrated a much simpler way to resolve most of t he Leave campaigns biggest concerns. You can control immigration by devaluing the pound and crashing the economy. Who needs to leave the EU, when the value of what you earn isn't worth the trek? Immigration halted in one fell swoop.

 

[Prem51]

Holidays to Europe likely to rise in price as sterling falls:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/p...ore-than-200-as-sterling-slides-a3290251.html
I don't go on holiday in Europe, or in the summer as the weather is ok in UK, well relatively anyway. I prefer to take a holiday in the winter when it's cold and dark here. That means a longhaul trip for some sunshine. I've already booked and paid for flights and accommodation, so I hope they won't be increased, but will get less on falling exchange rate for spending money.

 

[Diabetic_Aspie]

I said to my friends in 2002. Our country is heading for civil war.
2 different opinions. Here we are.
Our country is divided.
Thankyou politicians for your imput.
Democracy should hold back a civil war.
Only if it is just.

I knew it was going to be close and didnt expect normally none voters to vote. They made the difference.
Democracy entitles all to vote not just politically interested ones.
When the common man votes then change is needed.
We all decide the UKs future not just the strong. Every voice is important.
Arrogance causes mistakes.

Ahem. Yes, "Democracy entitles all to vote". The problem with people these days is that we have too many"entitlements" and not enough "duties and responsibilities".

The ability to cast your vote in a democratic process is a civil right, civil duty and a great civil responsibility. It is NOT a bloody ENTITLEMENT!!!

IMO, only those who contribute to the smooth running of the society (be it through managing a big bank or volunteering in a homeless shelter) should have the privilege of voting. Not those who watch reruns of Jeremy Kyle show for days on end, taking breaks only to get high and to attempt to recreate perfect conditions for Jeremy's style paternity scenario.

Otherwise we end up in a situation like they had up on Oxfordshire recently; a young girl of 18 with THREE kids under the age of four complaining that the Council was mean and uncaring towards her and her young children, because she is ENTITLED to a flat next to her Mom's house, within Oxford.

 

[tim2000s]

@Diabetic_Aspie as I posted elsewhere, "As a voting citizen you have a responsibility, but many of us seem to want to shirk that. "

 

[KevinPotts]

Whilst they might have been "struggling" they'd been reducing UK losses and had shown profit growth overall of about 25%. That's a good Return in a UK business that has expanded across the EU. Not sure the second half of your statement is entirely valid.


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For an expanding European business and even a listed biz a Return On Capital Employed or Return On Net Assets (ROCE/RONA, both essentially the same) of around 20% would be usually deemed acceptable by shareholders.

It seems they've been turning it around


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[ickihun]

For an expanding European business and even a listed biz a Return On Capital Employed or Return On Net Assets (ROCE/RONA, both essentially the same) of around 20% would be usually deemed acceptable by shareholders.

It seems they've been turning it around


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I'm delighted. Every company should get a chance to change things around to make a profit. Even Cameron.

 

[RuthW]

Farmers this morning were discussing the plans they had made to deal with this on R4. Instead of farming in the UK, there's a fair proportion that are moving out to continental Europe where they can get more land and easier access to labour. Equipment is mobile and so are techniques.

So much for "Support the UK by buying British produce". There aren't enough people to pick it. What a lovely irony that presents...

No irony in that. Apparently, farmers' profit margins are too low to pay a living wage to British workers but not so low that they can't pack up and move to another country?

They're either lying or bluffing (oh wait, bluffing is lying).

I was a remain voter but I understand why people voted leave. Until all the self-righteous 'remainers' get to grips with the GOOD reasons people voted to leave, there will be no political progress. The fact is that foreign workers can come over, live six to a room, work and save and in three or four years go home with enough for a house and car. Because of the (previous) exchange rate. There is nowhere in the world where UNSKILLED Brits can do the same. So what was happening was that one working class was being used to stuff another. That was one reason a large group of people voted leave.

The other was the bank bail out, the tax avoidance by huge multinationals, and the Panama papers. Older people, another pro-leave group, are sick of seeing rich people fiddle the system. Yes, they themselves benefit from the banking elite's activities through pension schemes, etc, but they still feel outraged by massive bonuses (with no moral justification at all), the extraordinary tax avoidance of Google, Apple, Starbucks, etc and companies like BHS (the guy's WIFE walked off with 650 million, while BHS sucked £700 million out of the U.K. through the tax credits paid to their workers).

Plus on the 'racism' charge, minorities in the UK got shafted by both sides. My son (who is black) found he could no longer get the jobs he used to get (in coffee shops, etc). He said, 'Mum, if it's between me and a pretty little blonde Polish girl, she gets it every time.'

These are some of the factors I saw operating.

I think people just wouldn't wait any more. The vote meant: 'It's not working for us. We can't fix it, so we're going to break it.'

It's sad. It's drastic. But it just MIGHT have a good outcome of the right people really put their backs into it. And if the self-designated 'smart' people can just stop, just really STOP despising the working class in Britain.


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[zand]

CHARMING! Said like a true Leave voter. Who cares about the world - or even just the neighbours?! Smart people look after their own interests, right? All this stupid **** like love thy neighbour.... just turn our back on the world, close our eyes, lalalalalalalala.....wow, that felt good! As long as keep my eyes shut and my mouth busy...

????? I and my family are remain voters. The point I was trying to make was that some on this thread have said we should look after UK first and not worry about our neighbours. I was simply taking that to its logical conclusion that in that case we should only worry about our own families here in the UK. So what if someone 2 doors down needs a friend? What an ugly world we live in if that's what being British means.

I was moved to tears on a short trip to France recently. There was a Syrian family begging. They differed from other beggars in that the wife and children were standing, protected behind the father, who simply, quietly, held out a hand. They weren't using their children to harass people as I have seen others do. They could have been me and my family. And my own country doesn't want immigrants here.....that's what made me cry.

 

[KevinPotts]

????? I and my family are remain voters. The point I was trying to make was that some on this thread have said we should look after UK first and not worry about our neighbours. I was simply taking that to its logical conclusion that in that case we should only worry about our own families here in the UK. So what if someone 2 doors down needs a friend? What an ugly world we live in if that's what being British means.

I was moved to tears on a short trip to France recently. There was a Syrian family begging. They differed from other beggars in that the wife and children were standing, protected behind the father, who simply, quietly, held out a hand. They weren't using their children to harass people as I have seen others do. They could have been me and my family. And my own country doesn't want immigrants here.....that's what made me cry.

A very very sad story


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