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Hurkett

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I'm not happy with the reaction from my GP's surgery.
I went to the Dr as I was visiting the toilet too often at night. A blood test revealed 113 mmol/mol and another Dr called me in to inform me I was type 2 - to stop eating cakes and biscuits - and to come back in two months time for more tests. No literature at all was given .
I decided to get a metre without being told to from the pharmacy at my own expense.
I then asked for an appointment with a Diabetic nurse - during the call I mentioned that I had bought a metre which produced a startling response... "Who told you to get a metre" ? "We certainly didn't" When I told her I wanted to know what me glucose levels were - her response was "We will tell you that" followed by ""it's too complicated for you to understand the results"
So far - I have stopped eating Hobnob biscuits - pasties - scones and three weetabix every morning with a tablespoon full of sugar... The metre has been useful and I the last reading - before running out of test strips was 8.8mmol/l
Weight loss in a couple of weeks has been quite noticeable at around 6 Llb's - I feel like I'm on the right track - but the response from the surgery wasn't exactly encouraging !!!
John in Cornwall
 
I,m afraid to say, the reaction that you got from the surgery happens alot with us type 2,s.
I was also told not to get a meter. I got advice from here to buy a meter and it's my life line.
My diabetic nurse said like yours did, and said with 6 monthly then yearly blood tests will show what our levels are.
Without any information and if I had, t bought a meter, I would never know what foods would spike me.
I now I eat to my meter and it has worked. I have with the help from members here, to get my levels alot lower. At the moment I am still on diabetic meds but am hoping to get off them soon.
My belief is, is if all type 2,s are given a meter and strips on prescriptions, then we can get our levels down quicker, which in my way of thinking, is that we can get of medication quicker which would result in the nhs saving money.
 
That is disgraceful John, No one should be spoken to like that, especially by a nurse who is supposed to be a DN!!
Would you consider writing a formal complaint? Write to the Practice Manager.

Keep Strong and carry on!
 
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I'm not happy with the reaction from my GP's surgery.
I went to the Dr as I was visiting the toilet too often at night. A blood test revealed 113 mmol/mol and another Dr called me in to inform me I was type 2 - to stop eating cakes and biscuits - and to come back in two months time for more tests. No literature at all was given .
I decided to get a metre without being told to from the pharmacy at my own expense.
I then asked for an appointment with a Diabetic nurse - during the call I mentioned that I had bought a metre which produced a startling response... "Who told you to get a metre" ? "We certainly didn't" When I told her I wanted to know what me glucose levels were - her response was "We will tell you that" followed by ""it's too complicated for you to understand the results"
So far - I have stopped eating Hobnob biscuits - pasties - scones and three weetabix every morning with a tablespoon full of sugar... The metre has been useful and I the last reading - before running out of test strips was 8.8mmol/l
Weight loss in a couple of weeks has been quite noticeable at around 6 Llb's - I feel like I'm on the right track - but the response from the surgery wasn't exactly encouraging !!!
John in Cornwall

I don´t understand why they don´t want us to have our own meters, it would result in lowering expences in the Health system if all intelligent diabetic type 2´s also got control over their own blood glucose... it is really counterproductive to advice people not to have control themselves...I admit some would not be intelligent enough to create a healthy menu that is low carbs high fats but most people are not imbeciles and can actually be educated to understand what their numbers mean and what it will implicate in the longer run... and most here have been intelligent enough to educate themselves into this "complicated" topic...
how can sociaty teach very young children advanced matemathics and at the same time think that most adults are too stupid to even understand a simple glucose measurer and their own foods and nutrients... it seems very puffed up to meet ordinary people with that kind of attitude ...
 
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I'm not happy with the reaction from my GP's surgery.
I went to the Dr as I was visiting the toilet too often at night. A blood test revealed 113 mmol/mol and another Dr called me in to inform me I was type 2 - to stop eating cakes and biscuits - and to come back in two months time for more tests. No literature at all was given .
I decided to get a metre without being told to from the pharmacy at my own expense.
I then asked for an appointment with a Diabetic nurse - during the call I mentioned that I had bought a metre which produced a startling response... "Who told you to get a metre" ? "We certainly didn't" When I told her I wanted to know what me glucose levels were - her response was "We will tell you that" followed by ""it's too complicated for you to understand the results"
So far - I have stopped eating Hobnob biscuits - pasties - scones and three weetabix every morning with a tablespoon full of sugar... The metre has been useful and I the last reading - before running out of test strips was 8.8mmol/l
Weight loss in a couple of weeks has been quite noticeable at around 6 Llb's - I feel like I'm on the right track - but the response from the surgery wasn't exactly encouraging !!!
John in Cornwall

Hi John,
I know you went all through this on another forum my advice would be to let it go before it eats you up. It was suggested to you to buy a meter and possibly the code free meter as so much cheaper for you, it was also explained to you what you needed to do to change your diet and it sounds as if you are doing very well with all the advice you were given so well done in that dept :)

You are entitled to your test results so ask for a print out of them.
 
Hi John,
I know you went all through this on another forum my advice would be to let it go before it eats you up. It was suggested to you to buy a meter and possibly the code free meter as so much cheaper for you, it was also explained to you what you needed to do to change your diet and it sounds as if you are doing very well with all the advice you were given so well done in that dept :)

You are entitled to your test results so ask for a print out of them.
I'm not happy with the reaction from my GP's surgery.
I went to the Dr as I was visiting the toilet too often at night. A blood test revealed 113 mmol/mol and another Dr called me in to inform me I was type 2 - to stop eating cakes and biscuits - and to come back in two months time for more tests. No literature at all was given .
I decided to get a metre without being told to from the pharmacy at my own expense.
I then asked for an appointment with a Diabetic nurse - during the call I mentioned that I had bought a metre which produced a startling response... "Who told you to get a metre" ? "We certainly didn't" When I told her I wanted to know what me glucose levels were - her response was "We will tell you that" followed by ""it's too complicated for you to understand the results"
So far - I have stopped eating Hobnob biscuits - pasties - scones and three weetabix every morning with a tablespoon full of sugar... The metre has been useful and I the last reading - before running out of test strips was 8.8mmol/l
Weight loss in a couple of weeks has been quite noticeable at around 6 Llb's - I feel like I'm on the right track - but the response from the surgery wasn't exactly encouraging !!!
John in Cornwall

Hi John
That's a shocking way to treat any patient
During my primary diagnosis of diabetes my GP and I arranged appts at the end if his morning/evening surgeries so there was never any time limit
I own everything to him and being well controlled
It's your entitlement under the NHS

Keep going
 
I,m afraid to say, the reaction that you got from the surgery happens alot with us type 2,s.
I was also told not to get a meter. I got advice from here to buy a meter and it's my life line.
My diabetic nurse said like yours did, and said with 6 monthly then yearly blood tests will show what our levels are.
Without any information and if I had, t bought a meter, I would never know what foods would spike me.
I now I eat to my meter and it has worked. I have with the help from members here, to get my levels alot lower. At the moment I am still on diabetic meds but am hoping to get off them soon.
My belief is, is if all type 2,s are given a meter and strips on prescriptions, then we can get our levels down quicker, which in my way of thinking, is that we can get of medication quicker which would result in the nhs saving money.

Hey!!! @ally1.... and John in Cornwall... our Ally has had a shaky journey with her GP and advice, and had higher levels too...

Going lower carb is brilliant... try going more natural food instead of processed
too.

Great to hear Ally advising "eat to meter". I remember Ally first joining and the times she went through..

Glad you bought own meter.. try to keep testing and minimising the carbs...

So nicely happy to see both of you achieving more than the NHS advice generally would achieve!!
 
@Hurkett

Hello John and welcome to the forum :) You have made a good start in spite of your lack of help from your surgery. I'm glad you got yourself the testing equipment so you can see how your levels are improving. Reducing the carbs in your diet will help you to lower your levels. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. There is also a link in this page to the Low Carb Program which you could try. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
I'm not happy with the reaction from my GP's surgery.
I went to the Dr as I was visiting the toilet too often at night. A blood test revealed 113 mmol/mol and another Dr called me in to inform me I was type 2 - to stop eating cakes and biscuits - and to come back in two months time for more tests. No literature at all was given .
I decided to get a metre without being told to from the pharmacy at my own expense.
I then asked for an appointment with a Diabetic nurse - during the call I mentioned that I had bought a metre which produced a startling response... "Who told you to get a metre" ? "We certainly didn't" When I told her I wanted to know what me glucose levels were - her response was "We will tell you that" followed by ""it's too complicated for you to understand the results"
So far - I have stopped eating Hobnob biscuits - pasties - scones and three weetabix every morning with a tablespoon full of sugar... The metre has been useful and I the last reading - before running out of test strips was 8.8mmol/l
Weight loss in a couple of weeks has been quite noticeable at around 6 Llb's - I feel like I'm on the right track - but the response from the surgery wasn't exactly encouraging !!!
John in Cornwall
Hi @Hurkett welcome to the forum and well done for taking control and getting a meter. Unfortunately you seem to have received the standard response from the medical profession - I don't bother to tell my DN that I test my levels anymore as all I get is 'why?' and 'it will only make your fingers sore anyway'! If more of them took testing seriously I'm sure that there would be a lot more well controlled T2s who haven't got complications. Just a word of caution if, when you finally have your appointment, they suggest statins, which they probably will because 'all diabetics should be on statins' research first before making your decision as they can cause issues.
 
There seem to be a number of reasons put forward by GPs and DNs for not having a regular testing regime for T2, and especially not providing the kit: people not knowing how to react to the readings; people taking no notice of them and not changing their diet; people getting unduly anxious over one or two 'bad' readings'; sore fingers etc. None of these issues apply to motivated people who want to take control, and understand what is happening and do what ever they can.

In my case my long-time GP - who happens to be the one in the practice that 'specialises' in diabetes - doesn't support a regular testing regime for everyone but understands why I want to do it. Not that he'll prescribe strips etc mind. The DN is quietly in favour, although I suspect she wouldn't advocate it to anyone unprompted.
 
At least you weren't put straight on medication and have got the chance to get your levels down through diet and exercise. No advice is better than the wrong advice! At least you can then do your own research and take control yourself from the beginning. Sounds like you've made a very good start.
 
Hi. How arrogant of the surgery but not unusual. They are the ignorant ones not understanding the importance of you controlling your condition and knowing where you are. I was diagnosed T2 but am in fact Late onset T1 and had meter readings on my own meter often into the 20s and suspect I went 'Hi' before I bought the meter. Without the meter I would not have known the impact of various foods and tablets on spiking.
 
I have quite a dislike of GP's. I have encountered many over the years and so many are ignorant, seemingly just want to get you out the door as quickly as possible, and don't even bother if you have mental health problems.

I have the upmost respect for specialists, nurses and surgeons though.
 
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