There is a cure.. how come nobody does this?

[Djstevesire]

To me you seem to enjoy the weights!
This is by choice and your way of exercise.

To many diabetics they have not got that choice or could manage lifting at all, they are not lazy, just human!
To a lot, simply walking, is a great way to reduce their blood glucose levels!
They couldn't possibly use strenuous exercise to benefit them. Their body would provide too much glucose and insulin and the other hormonal surges that would raise blood glucose levels!

I couldn't possibly measure my body the way you do, it's irrelevant and nothing to boast about!
At my age just to be healthy is the biggest bonus of all.

I started with walking myself many moons ago.. i have been obese many time during my life... where I would have be out of breath tying my shoes.. lol..

But lifting weights really doesn't have anything to with discussion.. it's more about the research and fasting..

 

[douglas99]

Yes I stated many of those factors earlier.
I'm pretty sure most people on this board are well aware of all this those.
This discussion was about the research..

I'm pretty sure the people involved in the study all had different reasons for having t2d.

Did you know vitamin deficiency could also be a cause.. as well as lack of sleep and even stress.

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus

Diabetics, they're from all the known universe, beyond the known universe, parallel universes, alternative realities, but, one thing is for sure, the rest are just pale (faulty) copies of the original!

Remember Star Trek, 'Let That Be Your Last Battlefield' and 'The Alternative Factor'?
Welcome to Diabetes.co.uk!

 

[kittypoker]

I have both, but not every day

Good man, and and neither do I. I think we're kind of on the same page - LCHF is a good thing, intermittent fasting is excellent, losing weight (if overweight) is the best way to reverse/control T2. Anything else?

 

[Djstevesire]

Purely as a matter of interest, what are your body stats in terms of fat, muscle and d visceral fat, and how are you measuring them?

These are my measurements from this past Sunday and below are last week

I measure my bodyfat using both my scale that uses bioimpedence..and then I cross reference with an online calculator that uses waist to height to neck to forearm measurements..

Lastly to get my visceral fat I use calipers.. to get my subcutaneous measurement.. then subtract the amount from total bodyfat and that leaves me with my visceral fat...

The calipers put me around 22 percent bodyfat.. but the other methods put me around 30. So the difference is what's viceral.. 8%or 18 lb rough estimate...

Btw I'm at the doc and asked for glucose test was 125 and they said don worry I'm good .. unbelievable

 

[kittypoker]

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus

Diabetics, they're from all the known universe, beyond the known universe, parallel universes, alternative realities, but, one thing is for sure, the rest are just pale (faulty) copies of the original!

Remember Star Trek, 'Let That Be Your Last Battlefield' and 'The Alternative Factor'?
Welcome to Diabetes.co.uk!

The 'anti-Lazarus' factor in Star Trek is a fictional nonsense. It's a TV show.

Diabetes is a very real disease which has to be treated appropriately, often by diet and sometimes by diet plus meds. The sadness is that so many just use meds and don't adjust their diets.

I'm speaking of T2. T1 is, of course, a completely different disease.

 

[AndBreathe]

These are my measurements from this past Sunday and below are last week

I measure my bodyfat using both my scale that uses bioimpedence..and then I cross reference with an online calculator that uses waist to height to neck to forearm measurements..

Lastly to get my visceral fat I use calipers.. to get my subcutaneous measurement.. then subtract the amount from total bodyfat and that leaves me with my visceral fat...

The calipers put me around 22 percent bodyfat.. but the other methods put me around 30. So the difference is what's viceral.. 8%or 18 lb rough estimate...

Btw I'm at the doc and asked for glucose test was 125 and they said don worry I'm good .. unbelievable

Thank you for responding.

If you trust bioimedence as a reliable measure, would you not trust bioimoedence scales to calculate visceral fat, as some do?

 

[zand]

What do you think intermittent fasting is??? Seriously lol!!!
when I do intermittent fasting I only eat dinner... which is roughly 1000-1200 calories basically the same diet of you figure in the 300-400 calories burned during weight trainjng Lol...

How do you know how many calories I have per day now? The 600 cal a day was a failure for me. I only ruined my metabolism further. I would like you to follow your diet and then come back after a couple of years and tell us how easy it is. I too thought it was easy 5 or so years ago. I kept these thoughts to myself though and didn't talk about my experiences until I was sure. I found out it wasn't so easy after all. Then I joined the forum.

 

[douglas99]

The 'anti-Lazarus' factor in Star Trek is a fictional nonsense. It's a TV show.

Diabetes is a very real disease which has to be treated appropriately, often by diet and sometimes by diet plus meds. The sadness is that so many just use meds and don't adjust their diets.

Of course it's not nonsense.
It's a series based on the inter personal reactions of people, displaced to a fictional location and time.
The interpersonal relationships are valid, which is why the series have lived beyond the period they were filmed in.

That's why all the 'my diet' posts are flamed by other 'my diet is better' posts.
There can be only one way for many here.

 

[Djstevesire]

The 'anti-Lazarus' factor in Star Trek is a fictional nonsense. It's a TV show.

Diabetes is a very real disease which has to be treated appropriately, often by diet and sometimes by diet plus meds. The sadness is that so many just use meds and don't adjust their diets.

I'm speaking of T2. T1 is, of course, a completely different disease.

Thank you for saying that. too many people just rely on mess and don't do anything about it. Here is an option that is very promising ..

 

[zand]

That's why all the 'my diet' posts are flamed by other 'my diet is better' posts.
There can be only one way for many here.

And that's why some of us were upset by the OP who seems to think his way will work for everyone, and if it doesn't then they aren't doing it properly.

 

[Djstevesire]

Thank you for responding.

If you trust bioimedence as a reliable measure, would you not trust bioimoedence scales to calculate visceral fat, as some do?

Mine doesn't have that feature unfortunately.. but I wouldn't trust it as it doesn't have a way to accurately analyze it..

Also I double check the measurement against the online calculator.... "measure twice cut once"

 

[Djstevesire]

How do you know how many calories I have per day now? The 600 cal a day was a failure for me. I only ruined my metabolism further. I would like you to follow your diet and then come back after a couple of years and tell us how easy it is. I too thought it was easy 5 or so years ago. I kept these thoughts to myself though and didn't talk about my experiences until I was sure. I found out it wasn't so easy after all. Then I joined the forum.

I have done this diet before successfully several times. Earlier in the post inshowed my 1month results photos..from June 2016.. I did it for fat loss .I wasn't diabetic. Just wanted abs.. it not hard if you put your mind to it.
Also this is not a diet you stick to indefinitely.
Are you sure you read the diet and or did it? Because yo don't seem to know
Much about it.

Also Can I ask how did it wreck your metabolism?

 

[Lamont D]

The 'anti-Lazarus' factor in Star Trek is a fictional nonsense. It's a TV show.

The original series always had a serious topical theme around the fiction!
To be critical of such a franchise that has spanned over five decades and is still growing is something I dare not respond to!

Infinite diversity in infinite combinations!

 

[kittypoker]

Of course it's not nonsense.
It's a series based on the inter personal reactions of people, displaced to a fictional location and time.
The interpersonal relationships are valid, which is why the series have lived beyond the period they where filmed in.

That's why all the 'my diet' posts are flamed by other' my diet is better' posts.

Oh, hon, reality check. I utterly adore Star Trek and absolutely agree that it reflected the times, right down to being the first accepted (not the first) multi-racial kiss. I honestly can't say how important it was to me as I was growing up.

But, everything moves on. I'm trying to prevent a diagnosis and you're sorting out where your are and what best to do.

 

[Djstevesire]

And that's why some of us were upset by the OP who seems to think his way will work for everyone, and if it doesn't then they aren't doing it properly.

A few things.

I didn't invent the diet.
Innever said it was better than anyone else's diet

Everyone that actually did the diet correctly had reversed there diabettes..
Weather they went back to their old ways and got diabetes again wasn't the subject..

The fact remain all 11 subjects that completed the study where no longer diabetic.. do you have something to contradict these findings? I would love to
Here then..

 

[Mr_Pot]

Remind me @Djstevesire - Do you have diabetes or not?

 

[douglas99]

And that's why some of us were upset by the OP who seems to think his way will work for everyone, and if it doesn't then they aren't doing it properly.

Like all things in life, cultural differences are an issue.
Whether you are in the majority, or minority, it's hard to accept the advice doesn't apply.
If it applied to you, you see yourself in the majority, and it's to be encouraged.
But, I don't think you are.
I see myself as an (ex) fat bloke.
I ate my way to being diabetic.
So, if I'm in the 80%, if we can be easily fixed, all the resource can be put into the other 20%.
But fixing me won't fix you, but I can be fixed more easily, so I needed to get my head out of my a**e and fix it , (with a bit of help).
So it's not a p**sing match, it's shifting those that can be shifted, then spending the money were it's needed.
Then it gets better for everyone.

 

[AndBreathe]

Mine doesn't have that feature unfortunately.. but I wouldn't trust it as it doesn't have a way to accurately analyze it..

Also I double check the measurement against the online calculator.... "measure twice cut once"

Whilst I will agree we have no way (aside from an MRI scan) of knowing exactly how much fat or visceral fat we each have onboard, I am content it is accurate enough for me, provided I use it consistently and am reviewing my trends. To me it is irrelevant if I am 17% or 18% fat or whatever, but it is important to me if that 17% is increasing or decreasing. Similarly, with my visceral fat, which sits at 3 on a scale of 1-30.

I find it better to use one measure, with less frailty than two, where two frailty factors are in play.

We each do as we see fit.

 

[kittypoker]

The original series always had a serious topical theme around the fiction!
To be critical of such a franchise that has spanned over five decades and is still growing is something I dare not respond to!

Infinite diversity in infinite combinations!

I'm sorry, did I criticise Star Trek? I thought I made it clear I love it to the skies. It's a part of my teens.

 

[Djstevesire]

Remind me @Djstevesire - Do you have diabetes or not?

Pre Diabetes...
what's next?
your gonna say if a doctor doesn't have cancer he can't know anything about it?