I find it equally annoying and amusing that you come onto this forum to tell us what to do and you haven't even done it yourself yet! You are only just now cutting out the occasional candy bar and high cal drinks? I cut out calorific drinks 30 years ago.
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There is a cure.. how come nobody does this?
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douglas99
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This is an interesting discussion so far.
It shows the juxtaposition of two entirely different lifestyles, that seem to culminate to the same result.
And the different viewpoints of the completely opposing participants.
Those, normally male, who don't take any care, don't diet, eat rubbish, and become overweight through that route, and seem to be able to reverse that condition with low calorie, and no concept of starvation mode, as it simply doesn't exist for them.
And the opposite, normally female, who have dieted, calorie counted, not eaten rubbish, and hit starvation mode very quickly.
Then no doubt, I'll be hit by the exceptions to this as well.
It shows the juxtaposition of two entirely different lifestyles, that seem to culminate to the same result.
And the different viewpoints of the completely opposing participants.
Those, normally male, who don't take any care, don't diet, eat rubbish, and become overweight through that route, and seem to be able to reverse that condition with low calorie, and no concept of starvation mode, as it simply doesn't exist for them.
And the opposite, normally female, who have dieted, calorie counted, not eaten rubbish, and hit starvation mode very quickly.
Then no doubt, I'll be hit by the exceptions to this as well.
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Don't let this person annoy you, he believes his photo shows a slim, trim sexy guy, in his dreams maybe.......
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BMI is perhaps more useful based on the average person, as it was devised back in the mid 1800's. I like you are categorised as overweight on this scale, and I almost have a six pack, as I have bmi as below:
My body fat according to my Withings scale is 11.6% (my Fitbit scale says 13.2%). In order to get into the "normal" category, I don't think it is possible for me to ever get into the "normal" range on BMI, as when I train harder with weights my weight goes up obviously and when I occasionally drop into the late 85 kg my body fat % goes up. Long winded way of saying I am in agreement with you that bmi doesn't work for all (I can't imagine loosing circa 6 kg) and that body fat % is a better representation, but bmi at least gets people thinking and can be worked out free.
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Don't let this person annoy you, he believes his photo shows a slim, trim sexy guy, in his dreams maybe.......
What is there to get annoyed about?
I just happened to catch myself early...
And I'm not slim and trim by any means... I just happens to lift wirghts which makes me appear musclar at a higher bodyfat level.. I'm currently 28 percent bodyfat down from 31 percent 10 days ago..
Hopefully I'll get down to 12 percent by summer time lol at trim...I'm 223 at 5'9"
I get a six pack abs around 180. Which is still considered overweight by bmi.
Thanks for the compliment though...
Don't hate me casue I'm beautiful lol...
What do you think intermittent fasting is??? Seriously lol!!!
when I do intermittent fasting I only eat dinner... which is roughly 1000-1200 calories basically the same diet of you figure in the 300-400 calories burned during weight trainjng Lol...
And if you didn't read... I Don't normally drink calories.... I haven't drank calories for years as well..
I just was layed up with an injury and went ballistic with junk food for 2 months ..
my regular diet is protein and vegetables...
I'm kinda in shock that I gained that weight si fast and became prediabetic
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As I tell all my weight lifting buddies you can have a 42 inch waist if you have a 52 inch chest and 18 inch arms lol
Lamont D
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Hi, just butting in here!
Do you know about hyperinsulinaemia?
Genetics cause obesity and diabetes?
All metabolic conditions including T2 are caused by an imbalance in hormones?
Excess insulin in obesity causes diabetes?
Endocrinology is not just for diabetics?
Low fat foods are full of sugar?
If you control your diet by calorie counting, the choice of diet is critical because it won't make a whole lot of difference if they are the foods you cannot tolerate!
What works for you, won't work for me!
We have to individually tailor our diet/lifestyle to our tastes, background and affordability, probably more!
Butting out now!
Do you know about hyperinsulinaemia?
Genetics cause obesity and diabetes?
All metabolic conditions including T2 are caused by an imbalance in hormones?
Excess insulin in obesity causes diabetes?
Endocrinology is not just for diabetics?
Low fat foods are full of sugar?
If you control your diet by calorie counting, the choice of diet is critical because it won't make a whole lot of difference if they are the foods you cannot tolerate!
What works for you, won't work for me!
We have to individually tailor our diet/lifestyle to our tastes, background and affordability, probably more!
Butting out now!
kittypoker
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Speaking as a formerly morbidly obese female with recent, rather spectacular, weight loss due to LCHF, sedentary and borderline T2, I'd like to point out this from the research abstract:
Normalisation of both beta cell function and hepatic insulin sensitivity in type 2 diabetes was achieved by dietary energy restriction alone. This was associated with decreased pancreatic and liver triacylglycerol stores. The abnormalities underlying type 2 diabetes are reversible by reducing dietary energy intake.
So, reduce the chub and you'll reverse the T2. It seems very simple to me. IF your T2 is caused by poor eating habits and obesity, you can get it under control by changing bad habits. Of course, it's not that simple as metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance are at play, and not all T2's are overweight, never mind obese. But I completely believe those members who can now eat more carbs and still maintain good blood sugar control and normal weight. They've found the right balance.
Normalisation of both beta cell function and hepatic insulin sensitivity in type 2 diabetes was achieved by dietary energy restriction alone. This was associated with decreased pancreatic and liver triacylglycerol stores. The abnormalities underlying type 2 diabetes are reversible by reducing dietary energy intake.
So, reduce the chub and you'll reverse the T2. It seems very simple to me. IF your T2 is caused by poor eating habits and obesity, you can get it under control by changing bad habits. Of course, it's not that simple as metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance are at play, and not all T2's are overweight, never mind obese. But I completely believe those members who can now eat more carbs and still maintain good blood sugar control and normal weight. They've found the right balance.
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Yea I don't get it eaither lol.. if I was the correct bmi I would be a stick figure..
Check your vitamin levels..and like is said before you may just happen to store fat on your liver and pancreas.. it's a possibility.. I was just reading a story a bout those eally slom guy.. had the same issue and he got super skinny and it went away...
The trick is to lift weights as you increase your calories so it all goes into muscle..
That's what works for me at least
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True but what they are saying is it simply reduction in calories.. regardless of makeup.. I personally think it would be better to eat mostly protien with veggies.
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To me you seem to enjoy the weights!
This is by choice and your way of exercise.
To many diabetics they have not got that choice or could manage lifting at all, they are not lazy, just human!
To a lot, simply walking, is a great way to reduce their blood glucose levels!
They couldn't possibly use strenuous exercise to benefit them. Their body would provide too much glucose and insulin and the other hormonal surges that would raise blood glucose levels!
I couldn't possibly measure my body the way you do, it's irrelevant and nothing to boast about!
At my age just to be healthy is the biggest bonus of all.
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Agreed .. but also the research on fasting shows that it improves insulin sensitivity..
I understand some people are totally messed up hormonally those are the outliers... but the majority (those who pig out on junk and aren't active) can totally reverse with this method...
Or even fasting for that matter..
A lot of people don't realize the hormonal cascade that happens with fasting.. including but not limited to
Improved insulin sensitivities
Weight loss
Improved calorie partitioning
Skyrocket in growth hormone production
Muscle soaring effects and so forth
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Some 'fast' on more calories a day than that.
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I've just started watching, I will watch the rest later!
The gut brain trigger with the bug relationship to my insulin response with the imbalance of my beta cells, is why I'm not able to eat many foods!
I believe!
Only ultra low carb is be beneficial.
And, of course not eating!
Or fasting as it is called!
The gut brain trigger with the bug relationship to my insulin response with the imbalance of my beta cells, is why I'm not able to eat many foods!
I believe!
Only ultra low carb is be beneficial.
And, of course not eating!
Or fasting as it is called!
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kittypoker
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I'm not sure of the relevance. I'm one of those people who didn't 'pig out', ate what my mates did but got fat while they stayed slim. Metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance, not my fault. In the end, I gave up, my fault so I'm doing something about it.
There is a psychological aspect which is too often ignored. Why me? Why are my brothers and friends as skinny as rakes while I'm, to put it kindly, chubby?
Well, now I know. We've been given rubbish dietary advice for 50 years and we all fell for it. I actually enjoy an occasional 24 or 48 hour fast - good heavens, I have waist and ribs!
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Ironically, even the posters that advocate intermittent fasting as the be all and end all of diabetes control, seem to be against you now.
I doubt you'll get a chance of a fair hearing.
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Yes I stated many of those factors earlier.
I'm pretty sure most people on this board are well aware of all this those.
This discussion was about the research..
I'm pretty sure the people involved in the study all had different reasons for having t2d.
Did you know vitamin deficiency could also be a cause.. as well as lack of sleep and even stress.
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Research is often skewed by politics!
And lobbyists!
The important feature for all endocrine conditions is the symptoms are variable and no two diabetics especially T2 are the same!
The diversity of symptoms and the diversity of root causes and the diversity of each of those symptoms has to be individual!
The false misconceptions of one size fits all, is where research fails!
Education and being made aware of how other diabetics have got control and the diversity of treatment is usually not considered.
Your treatment is my poison but our symptoms are similar!
Symptoms are only the by product of the imbalances in our bodies response and reaction to what we put in!
We are what we eat!
In essence, the modern-day version of how we feed ourselves is detrimental and not 'healthy' to a large portion of the population!
Apparently, nearly a third of adult Americans have obesity issues and are prone to metabolic conditions!
Of which T2 diabetes is the most prevalent!
