There is a cure.. how come nobody does this?

[bulkbiker]

Most serious natural bodybuilders look regular with clothes on.. far from muscle bound. And they overeat on purpose.

I'm happy for you and your succes.

"Yes I have done intermittent fasting on and off for about 3 years"
Intermittent and a full 7 day fast are a bit different... so you have never done a 7 day fast?

"Especially if you become fat adapted. (Keto)"
Yes it is far easier if you are following a ketogenic diet.. However the study you cited was not by any means a ketogenic diet.

You don't believe the "myth" that severe calorie restriction can mess up your metabolism.. well I do so we'll have to agree to differ on that.
Do you really loose lean body mass doing cardio? How?

So as I said before, you have never tried this diet but are advocating it for everyone with Type 2. We don't even think you have Type 2.

I have tried my diet and blog about my fasting and also note my stats for all to see.

Now before you get all riled up please can you consider some of your opening posts on this thread. Read them through with an open mind and maybe you will see why some of us got a bit narked when someone with no Type 2 diagnosis comes and tells people who have had this condition and are coping with it for a number of years that all they have to do is what you say and they will be cured.

Thanks for reading. I'm off... day 6 of my 7 day fast to finish...

 

[daisyduck]

You don't believe the "myth" that severe calorie restriction can mess up your metabolism.. well I do so we'll have to agree to differ on that.

Totally agree with you @bulkbiker
It certainly does mess up your metabolism. I've dieted for over 40 years on very low calorie and very low fat diets.. The shake replacements, the cabbage diet. I've tried them all.
I'm officially diagnosed with metabolic syndrome and believe me that makes it ten times harder to lose weight now.
However LCHF is the only diet where I can maintain my weight comfortably. First 6 months I lost 2 stones. I've managed to keep that off for 2 years but can't make a dent in the last 2 stones yet.. but I'm not giving up !

 

[Djstevesire]

For the Newcastle Diet to work, you need to have the condition to cure in the first place. The OP does not have diabetes so cannot claim to have used the ND to cure it.

I agree with your other sentence

Ok try to follow me on this.


Why do I have to be diabetic to believe something works? That makes absolutely no sense.. do you think the doctors that treat you and the people who do the research are all diabetic? What kind of thought process is that. Just wondering casue a few people said it.


I also Never claimed anything. I came across this research during my reasearch on fasting and starvation diets. For a totally different purpose..

I'm putting together my findings and creating a program for lazy or busy people to get in shape as easy and fast as possible.

I was recently found to be prediabetic..
And I wanted to know why isn't this in the mainstream and why it isn't being used. And where better to ask that question?

The research is based on bariatric patients that had thier diabetes reverse basically overnight.

I haven't gotten a good answer to why it wasn't being used.

We have people in this thread that have used it with success

Yet it seems the majority that haven't done it and are extremely opposed to even the thought of it working. Which makes NO sense to personally.

So to quote you.. since I don't have diabetes ... I can't read research and ask why others aren't applying it?

Did you ever think that I'm seriously considering it..

However I would do it differently..
With fasting.. I'm thinking of doing an alternate day fast and keep calories at 1500 on feed days.. the calories work out to be the same.. but I'll have the added benefit of autophagy..

Now you know my story.

 

[hooha]

Nope, we can.

I believe it is reversible. I go along with Prof Taylor's teaching. I REVERSED mine IN SPITE of DISCOURAGEMENT and OBSTRUCTION by my GP. Now , carefully trying different foods and small portions it seems I can eat anything. Gone are the days when I would gobble a whole large bar of chocolate washed down with several beers and a full bottle of wine ...at least. Now I dine with decorum . Thank God for the internet and the Newcastl diet....

 

[Djstevesire]

Totally agree with you @bulkbiker
It certainly does mess up your metabolism. I've dieted for over 40 years on very low calorie and very low fat diets.. The shake replacements, the cabbage diet. I've tried them all.
I'm officially diagnosed with metabolic syndrome and believe me that makes it ten times harder to lose weight now.
However LCHF is the only diet where I can maintain my weight comfortably. First 6 months I lost 2 stones. I've managed to keep that off for 2 years but can't make a dent in the last 2 stones yet.. but I'm not giving up !

Good for you.. I'm glad you found something that works.. have you tried fasting? And do you exercise?

The body stores fat for emergency famine situations.. I'm looking for the easiest way to get the body to utilize it.

Also if your on medications they may be preventing your Weight loss.

Also drinking literally TONS of water

 

[Djstevesire]

"Yes I have done intermittent fasting on and off for about 3 years"
Intermittent and a full 7 day fast are a bit different... so you have never done a 7 day fast?

"Especially if you become fat adapted. (Keto)"
Yes it is far easier if you are following a ketogenic diet.. However the study you cited was not by any means a ketogenic diet.

You don't believe the "myth" that severe calorie restriction can mess up your metabolism.. well I do so we'll have to agree to differ on that.
Do you really loose lean body mass doing cardio? How?

So as I said before, you have never tried this diet but are advocating it for everyone with Type 2. We don't even think you have Type 2.

I have tried my diet and blog about my fasting and also note my stats for all to see.

Now before you get all riled up please can you consider some of your opening posts on this thread. Read them through with an open mind and maybe you will see why some of us got a bit narked when someone with no Type 2 diagnosis comes and tells people who have had this condition and are coping with it for a number of years that all they have to do is what you say and they will be cured.

Thanks for reading. I'm off... day 6 of my 7 day fast to finish...

I never went a full 7 days..
I went 3 days tops..
from my research and self experimentation. 3 days is when I start to burn muscle..

I also have done the Newcastle diet..
But I did it differently... I ate about 1500 calories .. then I did 20 minutes sprints /lifted weights for an hour . Then taibo..
Which would burn at least half of that. Leaving me at 700 calories..

I dropped 5 lbs a week. Mind you I wasn't even overweight when I did this.. I just wanted my six pack abs..and it did work..

 

[hooha]

Well well I have tried the 16/8 model for 3-4 month But more extended fastings I haven't tried But I'll keep loosing weight another 15 kg to go and try to get a BMI of about 18-20. Maybe when getting closer to that goal I can do an 8 weeks fasting . Now I excercise so much that I need to eat much more than 1000 calories a day in average to keep on having the motivation and energy to the very hard muscle work , I want to get much stronger and also build more muscle mass and in average I do use about 4500-5000 calories just on excercising a week , so my true level in average is about 1600 calories a day at the moment and loosing about 1kg a week .... But there will be a time where I am close to not having more obvious fat to loose and Then 8 weeks of starvation maybe could do the miracle as internal fat would be used too then .

I have tried Real starving for 6-7 month years ago and must say it is nothing I long for in any way to experience again But worth a try anyway if it is only 8-10 weeks

HI you are barking up the wrong tree. The Newcastle diet, done the way I did it, with natural foods and not with food sachets, was fantastically easy. OK one of my very negative friends said ' It sounds like a lot of work ' [ as he sat there with his wife tending to his ulcerated feet , which look like they may need amputating if he goes on the same way - once he has bits cut off he will know what hard work is really like ] and it IS HARD WORK if you mean counting calories and reading the labels on packets, and then looking up data about Calorie values on the web is hard work. It's only for a few weeks. Instead of looking at TV soaps you can look at food values etc. But when I got going with LOW CALORIE , high FAT and lots of veg. I found I was in effect doing a low carb diet. With few carbs - I felt very little hunger. It is NOT 8 weeks of starvation.
Good luck.

 

[Freema]

HI you are barking up the wrong tree. The Newcastle diet, done the way I did it, with natural foods and not with food sachets, was fantastically easy. OK one of my very negative friends said ' It sounds like a lot of work ' [ as he sat there with his wife tending to his ulcerated feet , which look like they may need amputating if he goes on the same way - once he has bits cut off he will know what hard work is really like ] and it IS HARD WORK if you mean counting calories and reading the labels on packets, and then looking up data about Calorie values on the web is hard work. It's only for a few weeks. Instead of looking at TV soaps you can look at food values etc. But when I got going with LOW CALORIE , high FAT and lots of veg. I found I was in effect doing a low carb diet. With few carbs - I felt very little hunger. It is NOT 8 weeks of starvation.
Good luck.

I´ll keep that in mind... in maybe 4 month from now... then I´ll be close to my goal in weight matters.. and then 8 weeks doing the final cure.... or maybe 10 if nessesary

 

[hooha]

HI Douglas -
What is an OP please ? You mention it in your post '' There does appear to be some difference in how the body reacts to the differing methodology.The op touched on this earlier....''

The subjects in the Newcastle study seemed to have lost 15.3 kg on average, and while no starting weight seems to have been given, it's been alleged they were chosen as they were obese, and examples of patients who would have been referred for bariatric surgery, so possibly not that high a percentage weight loss individually.
The further suggestion based on the study was that type patients to lose 15 to 20% of body weight, with hopefully the same result.
Personally, I lost around that, both in weight and percentage initially, slowly, with no marked reversal. Still a definite improvement though.
Losing quickly on the Newcastle diet did have the desired effect.

The further, larger, ongoing study shall be interesting when the results are known.

 

[Avocado Sevenfold]

Ok try to follow me on this.


Why do I have to be diabetic to believe something works? That makes absolutely no sense.. do you think the doctors that treat you and the people who do the research are all diabetic? What kind of thought process is that. Just wondering casue a few people said it.


I also Never claimed anything. I came across this research during my reasearch on fasting and starvation diets. For a totally different purpose..

I'm putting together my findings and creating a program for lazy or busy people to get in shape as easy and fast as possible.

I was recently found to be prediabetic..
And I wanted to know why isn't this in the mainstream and why it isn't being used. And where better to ask that question?

The research is based on bariatric patients that had thier diabetes reverse basically overnight.

I haven't gotten a good answer to why it wasn't being used.

We have people in this thread that have used it with success

Yet it seems the majority that haven't done it and are extremely opposed to even the thought of it working. Which makes NO sense to personally.

So to quote you.. since I don't have diabetes ... I can't read research and ask why others aren't applying it?

Did you ever think that I'm seriously considering it..

However I would do it differently..
With fasting.. I'm thinking of doing an alternate day fast and keep calories at 1500 on feed days.. the calories work out to be the same.. but I'll have the added benefit of autophagy..

Now you know my story.

Ok try to follow me on this

I was addressing Pink Orchid who appeared to be under the impression that something had "worked for you". I was pointing out that you cannot cure yourself of a condition that you don't have.

"I'm putting together my findings and creating a program for lazy or busy people to get in shape as easy and fast as possible."

Good for you. I am sure we will all be very grateful.

 

[bulkbiker]

HI Douglas -
What is an OP please ? You mention it in your post '' There does appear to be some difference in how the body reacts to the differing methodology.The op touched on this earlier....''

Original poster...

 

[Djstevesire]

Totally agree with you @bulkbiker
It certainly does mess up your metabolism. I've dieted for over 40 years on very low calorie and very low fat diets.. The shake replacements, the cabbage diet. I've tried them all.
I'm officially diagnosed with metabolic syndrome and believe me that makes it ten times harder to lose weight now.
However LCHF is the only diet where I can maintain my weight comfortably. First 6 months I lost 2 stones. I've managed to keep that off for 2 years but can't make a dent in the last 2 stones yet.. but I'm not giving up !

That's great that you found soemthing that works for you.. and am in NO way saying anytbjng.. I'm just asking a question.

Do you really think it was the dieting that gave you metabolic syndrome?

As apposed to being overweight? And possibly overeating carbs..coupled
with lack of exercise?

Im just quoting the casue of metabolic syndrome.. I don't see any mention of crash dieting here

The site states
"Your risk for heart disease, diabetes, and stroke increases with the number of metabolic risk factors you have. The risk of having metabolic syndrome is closely linked to overweight and obesity and a lack of physical activity."


https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/ms

 

[hooha]

I like the idea. Also what was starting and ending weight

HI - I started with 75 kg and a BMI just up from 25 , and in 7 weeks got my FBS down to normal levels, and my BMI was 22. I lost 12-13 KG and ended up a bit scrawny and lean at 61-63 kg but no diabetes. Did not use shakes. I bought the things directly from Australia at tremendous expense but then found I was happily doing my 600 - 800 Calories a day on large omelettes and plates of veg. with good oils like olive and coconut and butter added. Great . I was surprised how easy it was, the weight flying off. The waist shrinking daily. Not to waste my money I now use the shakes on my fasting days.

 

[Djstevesire]

Ok try to follow me on this

I was addressing Pink Orchid who appeared to be under the impression that something had "worked for you". I was pointing out that you cannot cure yourself of a condition that you don't have.

"I'm putting together my findings and creating a program for lazy or busy people to get in shape as easy and fast as possible."

Good for you. I am sure we will all be very grateful.

Sorry for any misinterpretation.. earlier I was told I couldn't know anytbjng about xyz because I don't have xyz.

The piece I'm writing isn't for diabetics ..
Just lazy bodybuilders like myself.. but it may have a chapter now.. who knows.. I'm learning a lot..

 

[hooha]

I never went a full 7 days..
I went 3 days tops..
from my research and self experimentation. 3 days is when I start to burn muscle..

I also have done the Newcastle diet..
But I did it differently... I ate about 1500 calories .. then I did 20 minutes sprints /lifted weights for an hour . Then taibo..
Which would burn at least half of that. Leaving me at 700 calories..

I dropped 5 lbs a week. Mind you I wasn't even overweight when I did this.. I just wanted my six pack abs..and it did work..

As I understand it you are not supposed to do excessive exercise while on the reducing diet. Gentle exercise , walking yes. I did fast walking. Really could feel myself 'weak' and lacking physical ' power '. But on reaching target weight I have started to eat more and work out more strenously - hight intensity cardio and regular gym with weights.

 

[Djstevesire]

As I understand it you are not supposed to do excessive exercise while on the reducing diet. Gentle exercise , walking yes. I did fast walking. Really could feel myself 'weak' and lacking physical ' power '. But on reaching target weight I have started to eat more and work out more strenously - hight intensity cardio and regular gym with weights.

Yes that is the general concesus..
At the time when I did it though I was in superb physical shape..

What I'm considering is the weight lifting held off until you began to eat regularly again.. that way any weight gain is thrown into building lean mass instead of fat... it will also make your muscles very sensitive to glucose..

Just throwing ideas around. Thinking out loud.

I can imagine a person not used to exercise in a starvation diet wouldn't fare well with heavy weight lifting..

I do know for a fact CARDIO is counter productive.. an abriviated eight bearing workout would do a person much better as it promotes lean body mass retention.

.

 

[douglas99]

HI - I started with 75 kg and a BMI just up from 25 , and in 7 weeks got my FBS down to normal levels, and my BMI was 22. I lost 12-13 KG and ended up a bit scrawny and lean at 61-63 kg but no diabetes. Did not use shakes. I bought the things directly from Australia at tremendous expense but then found I was happily doing my 600 - 800 Calories a day on large omelettes and plates of veg. with good oils like olive and coconut and butter added. Great . I was surprised how easy it was, the weight flying off. The waist shrinking daily. Not to waste my money I now use the shakes on my fasting days.

It is interesting that you seem to be yet another that lost weight quickly, and seems to have reversed your type 2.

 

[douglas99]

Overeating is bad for anyone, but for some reason I lived in madness.
Yes, I used to overeat on everything, slice of chrismas cake, no not me, eat the whole cake...not what a normal person would do, and not something I want to repeat, my eyes are opened and I enjoy my high level of fitness and new look

Eveyone is different, and rapid weight loss will may not work for everyone, as some are already below a BMI of 25 when diagnosed. I guess it's the reason behind the onset of diabetes that will determine if will work or not.

That's why I find it very strange when posters seem to argue using reductio ad absurdum, and constantly claim
'you can't live on 800 calories forever' er, no, you don't need to, it's an 8 week diet
or 'you can't eat like you did before' er no, I ate as much as the rest of the family put together, the diet resets eating habits.

From the comments in this thread, while rapid weight loss certainly isn't for everyone it seems, it does seem effective to aid the reversal of diabetes, and it seems those who have reversed it can indeed eat a normal diet again.

 

[hankjam]

I also have done the Newcastle diet..
But I did it differently... I ate about 1500 calories .. then I did 20 minutes sprints /lifted weights for an hour . Then taibo..
Which would burn at least half of that. Leaving me at 700 calories..

This is what I don't get about Diets.
Folk bandy terms about, NC is a popular one.... and they say... "I did it my way". From what I have read, not exhaustive, 1500 calories is not close to the original work... and so again we're not discussing like with like... just going off at another tangent.

 

[britishpub]

1500 calories is not close to the original work

Maybe he's managed to bend space and time, and can fit two days into what the rest of us call one.

We must try harder.