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There is a cure.. how come nobody does this?

Anybody who has a high glucose level, high insulin levels and high insulin resistance, and if they are obese will be healthier if they lose weight!
It's how they get there!
It's not that easy, the brain is very difficult to persuade, to go without so called healthy foods!
Fasting is not easy, your natural instinct is to eat, with temptation only a few steps away.
I do know that some T2s should not fast and if you have a metabolic condition, it is highly unlikely to work!
Dieting will never work if you say that at the end you can eat normally, what is normal for you may be poison to me, and it probably is! Dieting has to be structured to give the dieter a chance of losing weight in a responsible fashion. Sudden dieting and fasting is not a lifestyle it is only a temporary measure
A change in education and learning how to get the best healthy for you and doing it the way that won't harm you is what is best!
Not one method, or two different types of adjustment to your diet will last and be sustainable!
In over fifteen years now, every diet, every dietary advice, every healthcare professional has said that I have to eat carbs!
I don't!
Exercise is so difficult for a lot of T2s on this forum, there are a lot of like myself of pensionable and above age, we can't do the strenuous stuff and it would be extremely stupid of them to even try!
You would be amazed how much difference gentle exercising will do if it is combined with a sensible low carb outlook. Walking will always help with blood sugar levels, swimming is really good for all over exercising.

If you don't know my story, misdiagnosed T2, nearly eighteen stone and very ill, because of my burdensome weight and high glucose levels, high insulin resistance and high insulin overshoot!
If I hadn't met my endocrinologist, I would now be dead!
I couldn't exercise properly because of the weight!
All I could do was walk!
All I ate was ultra low carb and reduced my insulin resistance, levels of glucose and insulin dropped, smaller portions, weight dropped!
Found out by default that my body doesn't like food!
So I use intermittent fasting and longer if I do!
I look after myself by continuing to walk and doing the work of two, my own and the household chores!
I am never hungry, I am never lethargic, I don't have mental problems which were prevalent when in my hypo hell era! My health is excellent!
I do what I have to do to be healthy!
I have been there, worn the t-shirt, and come out smiling!
I am not cured! It's impossible for me, as it is for many T2s, there is no cure for them even if they tried everything, and I mean everything!
Control of their blood glucose levels is the best they can achieve, to stave off the dreaded outcome of uncontrollable diabetes!
There is no magic pill, no magic cure, what there is, is a healthier future!

Fasting works for me, it might not work for most!
Weight lifting will be probably work as part of a lifestyle that is designed towards a low carb lifestyle, how I don't know!

But, the bottom line is that it is not a guarantee of curing your condition!

You do have to find your own personal lifestyle choices!

By the way, a lot of bariatric surgery patients, do suffer what they call a rebound effect on their blood glucose levels, it is a condition that has a similarity with RH!
 
[QUOTE="douglas99, post: 1370139, member: 38028"

From the comments in this thread, while rapid weight loss certainly isn't for everyone it seems, it does seem effective to aid the reversal of diabetes, and it seems those who have reversed it can indeed eat a normal diet again.[/QUOTE]

Do you eat normal?
What is normal?
Meat and two veg?
Vegan?

What's normal for you tastes awful and is poison to others!

It's not normal you need to understand, it is what is healthy for that individual!
Normal does not mean healthy!
 
Lamont D said:
Do you eat normal?
What is normal?
Meat and two veg?
Vegan?

What's normal for you tastes awful and is poison to others!

It's not normal you need to understand, it is what is healthy for that individual!
Normal does not mean healthy!
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A bit of a rant perhaps?
That's the difference, you seem to be dismissing food as 'poison', because in some way you decided you personally don't eat it.
'Normal'? well, sorry, we can eat everything on your list.
You are welcome to pick and choose, but please don't rant at me about your choice.

(As has been asked by other posters
Are you T2?)
 
Djstevesire said:
Sorry for any misinterpretation.. earlier I was told I couldn't know anytbjng about xyz because I don't have xyz.

The piece I'm writing isn't for diabetics ..
Just lazy bodybuilders like myself.. but it may have a chapter now.. who knows.. I'm learning a lot..
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Are you writing a book? A blog? Are you using this forum for book fodder?
 
phonic2k said:
I did not follow any programme, I did lots of research, and cut out junk, sugar, white flour products, etc.. and was just eating simple food like mixed veg with chicken or soya product, and made sure I did a minimum of 30 minutes of exercise per day, but looking back I did go OTT on the exercise, as some days the burn rate was well over 2000kcal. So I was burning more than I was eating. I was very determined and focused.
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Yes, I did a low fat diet, and exercise initially, then did the Newcastle diet to finish off.
 
douglas99 said:
That's why I find it very strange when posters seem to argue using reductio ad absurdum, and constantly claim
'you can't live on 800 calories forever' er, no, you don't need to, it's an 8 week diet
or 'you can't eat like you did before' er no, I ate as much as the rest of the family put together, the diet resets eating habits.

From the comments in this thread, while rapid weight loss certainly isn't for everyone it seems, it does seem effective to aid the reversal of diabetes, and it seems those who have reversed it can indeed eat a normal diet again.
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for me, eating as i did before was a reasonable amount, around 1800 cals a day, but with too many carbs. I suspect this is true of several others.
 
douglas99 said:
A bit of a rant perhaps?
That's the difference, you seem to be dismissing food as 'poison', because in some way you decided you personally don't eat it.
'Normal'? well, sorry, we can eat everything on your list.
You are welcome to pick and choose, but please don't rant at me about your choice.

(As has been asked by other posters
Are you T2?)
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Not a rant!
Just stating the obvious!
If a type of normal food has an adverse effect on your blood glucose levels and of course makes you more unhealthy, then that food is not to be eaten!
Poison is too strong a word, but it certainly made you take note.
Food can be a poison though!
It all depends on how much of a poison you ingest that will harm you! Too little and no effect, high could be fatal!
When you have food intolerance, then certain foods act like poison. It all depends!

No I don't have T2!
I am classified as non diabetic!
We have our own forum, why don't you learn about a very rare condition, that has food impacts on myself and others like myself!

But I did get misdiagnosed T2, the wife has T2, and doing well controlling it!
The FiL has it among everything else!
My brother died of a massive heart attack, he had T2 bad!
I have 9000 posts and many more rewards on this forum, never before been banned, helped many hundreds understand what diabetes does and how you can live a normal, no, scrub that, healthy longer life!

Now, that's a rant!

Best wishes @douglas99.
 
Lamont D said:
Not a rant!
Just stating the obvious!
If a type of normal food has an adverse effect on your blood glucose levels and of course makes you more unhealthy, then that food is not to be eaten!
Poison is too strong a word, but it certainly made you take note.
Food can be a poison though!
It all depends on how much of a poison you ingest that will harm you! Too little and no effect, high could be fatal!
When you have food intolerance, then certain foods act like poison. It all depends!

No I don't have T2!
I am classified as non diabetic!
We have our own forum, why don't you learn about a very rare condition, that has food impacts on myself and others like myself!

But I did get misdiagnosed T2, the wife has T2, and doing well controlling it!
The FiL has it among everything else!
My brother died of a massive heart attack, he had T2 bad!
I have 9000 posts and many more rewards on this forum, never before been banned, helped many hundreds understand what diabetes does and how you can live a normal, no, scrub that, healthy longer life!

Now, that's a rant!

Best wishes @douglas99.
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That's why it's ironic that you seem to arguing against the op, who is trying to help diabetics, with a method which gave many of us a normal, healthy longer life, were a food doesn't impact on your blood glucose.
As to post counts, would his advice be more acceptable if he repeats it 9000 times for us?
 
serenity648 said:
for me, eating as i did before was a reasonable amount, around 1800 cals a day, but with too many carbs. I suspect this is true of several others.
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It depends on how obese you were on those calories.
It took twice that many for me, but I got there eventually.
 
douglas99 said:
It depends on how obese you were on those calories.
It took twice that many for me, but I got there eventually.
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most of my weight (except a couple of stones) was due to long term medication, not food consumption. But the food I did consume was high in carbs, on the advice of my doctor......................and i have since found out that the medication I was on is know to have raised blood sugar levels as a side effect. Double whammy.

Plus I have ME so cant exercise.
 
It's not ironic nor is it correct what you are saying!

He is advocating with his first few posts that there is a cure and why aren't we using it?

He has admittedly, adjusted his position, but the thread starter is enough to annoy some of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum, who have had great success including yourself in advising how to individually tailor a low carb lifestyle, which is only a part of how they became healthier.

Please read some of the RH forum, you will see what we have to do to avoid being ill!
It may enlighten you to my stance on how best to control my condition!

Weight lifting or any form of strenuous exercise would make me ill. The reason is simple, my liver would supply me with glucose from glucogenesis to offset the rapid rate my heart would race, the excess glucose would offset and trigger an insulin response, it would also be excessive and flood my bloodstream with too much insulin.
The after effects would be horrible, and a hypo in the end!
I don't need or want to go through that again!
 
Lamont D said:
It's not ironic nor is it correct what you are saying!

He is advocating with his first few posts that there is a cure and why aren't we using it?

He has admittedly, adjusted his position, but the thread starter is enough to annoy some of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum, who have had great success including yourself in advising how to individually tailor a low carb lifestyle, which is only a part of how they became healthier.

Please read some of the RH forum, you will see what we have to do to avoid being ill!
It may enlighten you to my stance on how best to control my condition!

Weight lifting or any form of strenuous exercise would make me ill. The reason is simple, my liver would supply me with glucose from glucogenesis to offset the rapid rate my heart would race, the excess glucose would offset and trigger an insulin response, it would also be excessive and flood my bloodstream with too much insulin.
The after effects would be horrible, and a hypo in the end!
I don't need or want to go through that again!
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I think it only works for T2, I don't think he suggested you should do it if you're not?
It is posted on the type 2 forum, so it's not really applicable to other forums I would have thought?
Although I could understand your indignation if he had posted on there as a type 2, or not, and told you what could and couldn't work for us, rather than for you.
 
douglas99 said:
I think it only works for T2, I don't think he suggested you should do it if you're not?
It is posted on the type 2 forum, so it's not really applicable to other forums I would have thought?
Although I could understand your indignation if he had posted on there as a type 2, or not, and told you what could and couldn't work for us, rather than for you.
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There again you are wrong, it can and does work for other conditions but only as part of the lifestyle change.
Until you understand the hormones response to food, and that doesn't include glucose and insulin response, you cannot perceive how the body, brain, liver, kidney and pancreas as well as your brain reacts to food stimulus, what triggers blood glucose also triggers many hormones.
A lot of endocrine conditions could benefit from fasting, I k ow mine does, but others with a similar condition it won't, it's so individual!
Thyroid is a condition similar in symptoms to T2 diabetes and weight loss and maybe fasting would work but is it sustainable?
Only that person knows.
There is an awful lot to sort through, by testing and experimentation.
What food is ok and what is not dictates our future health.
I have a condition that has so many similarities to T2 and other types, as there is many more types of RH and thyroid.
You have to be really careful to dissuade and disseminate posters that are not normal!
Or diabetic!
I'm neither!
I'm weird, I have learned an awful lot about endocrinology and how my body works, I have helped my wife control her type two!
I'm not a medical professionals but I consider myself, as someone who can understand what happens when you have a food intolerance and how it affects you.
And been through all the diets and advice from medical practitioners and has done nothing to help be healthy!
Only since ultra low carbing, fasting, walking, getting my weight down, nearly five and half stone and reading as much as possible can I call myself in control.
I have no cure, there never will be and I have to, I have to be this way, so I can live long enough to see my great grandkids.
I'm healthy being healthy and healthy because of what I've discovered from being weird!
 
You have proof the Newcastle diet works for other conditions?
That is what the op started this thread about.
I would love to be wrong that it doesn't just work for type 2's!
That would be excellent to read!
 
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