Statin side effects all in the mind !

[Squire Fulwood]

If I was reporting false side effects then I did it four times on four different statins over a period of two years or so. My DN does not give up easily. Now, even she admits I can't tolerate them.

 

[Indy51]

One ploy to avoid statins is to say that you're not interested in treating risk factors with long-term drugs, but if they want to order a coronary artery calcium score (or some other expensive test) to prove that you have CVD, then you'll consider it. With all the budget constraints going on, I doubt if they'll go along with it

 

[connie104]

If I was reporting false side effects then I did it four times on four different statins over a period of two years or so. My DN does not give up easily. Now, even she admits I can't tolerate them.

Exactly the same for me . Tried 3 different ones all the same problems so now have intolerant of statins on my medical records.

 

[hankjam]

Exactly the same for me . Tried 3 different ones all the same problems so now have intolerant of statins on my medical records.

and me too... three statins, each in turn trashed my liver stats and off I came... they want to try a 4th but not going to go there...

 

[librarising]

At least yesterday's media story gave me a chuckle, listening to LBC in the car. Always, always 'follow the money,' especially when it comes to medical trials.
My aim is always to know as much, if not more, than my GP. If anyone is on a statin, or has a loved one on a statin, try to read at least one of the books speaking out against them, such as The Great Cholesterol Con by Malcolm Kendrick. Perhaps read some articles on Spacedoc.com (= astronaut medic, who's life was blighted by statins). Perhaps watch some videos on YouTube.
My latest 'hero' is Dr Aseem Malhotra. This video is 4 1/2 minutes long

As he says,we all deserve to make an informed decision about this. Don't trust your GP to do all the informing.
Get on the case
Geoff

 

[walnut_face]

For me they will never be in the mind, nor in my stomach. But staying firmly in the pharmacy
IMHO there is an elephant in the room, in that ongoing payments are made to GP businesses for each patient on statins. No ifs, not buts for me - money corrupts

 

[Squire Fulwood]

The Express doesn't give much info on the background of the trial but via the Hindustan Times there is this info ...

"The trial was funded by Pfizer, which markets atorvastatin under the trade name Lipitor."

Nice pedigree but I suppose better than being tested in Oxford with the results locked up and being reported in the Daily Mail.

The last time something like this ended up in the news had also been reported by The Lancet.

 

[borderter]

Why with so much controvercy over this does no one ever do an independant trial with zero input from anyone who stands to make a profit
Opening Hours

 

[zand]

OK this is the way I see it. Just me, my own thoughts and logic, no studies (I don't trust them anyway). So cholesterol is naturally produced by the body, because it needs it. We need more as we get older, so we produce more. If we artificially lower it then we haven't got enough cholesterol for our needs and therefore inflammation etc increases and we get muscle pains. It might be true that statins don't cause muscle pains directly, it's probably the cholesterol being too low for our own personal needs that causes the pains.

I will happily remain statin free

 

[Nicksu]

One ploy to avoid statins is to say that you're not interested in treating risk factors with long-term drugs, but if they want to order a coronary artery calcium score (or some other expensive test) to prove that you have CVD, then you'll consider it. With all the budget constraints going on, I doubt if they'll go along with it

I'll have to remember that one next week if they try to nag me at the diabetic clinic to take them! With the NHS budget being as it is, see how quickly they will back off!

 

[Nicksu]

OK this is the way I see it. Just me, my own thoughts and logic, no studies (I don't trust them anyway). So cholesterol is naturally produced by the body, because it needs it. We need more as we get older, so we produce more. If we artificially lower it then we haven't got enough cholesterol for our needs and therefore inflammation etc increases and we get muscle pains. It might be true that statins don't cause muscle pains directly, it's probably the cholesterol being too low for our own personal needs that causes the pains.

I will happily remain statin free

That's my opinion - the body makes it for a good reason - to repair damage - usually caused by chronic inflammation - it can't do the job its supposed to if it ain't there!

 

[Squire Fulwood]

Here is the last Lancet/Telegraph scare. He (the prof.) is getting monotonous.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ts-should-take-statins-new-research-suggests/

 

[smw99]

A study in the Lancet has concluded that patients suffer side effects from statins due to a 'nocebo' effect. They experience them because they expect them.

They are calling for the side effects NOT to be listed due to this.

The study compared a dosage of 10mg of Atorvastatin vs a placebo where the rate of muscle aches and pains reported was the same for both arms of the trial.

My first thought was that 10mg of Atorvastatin was only a very small dosage.

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...-side-effects-life-saving-statins-cholesterol

The Express doesn't give much info on the background of the trial but via the Hindustan Times there is this info ...

"The trial was funded by Pfizer, which markets atorvastatin under the trade name Lipitor."

It also says at the end of the article that the statins dose was much lower than the one regularly prescribed now so makes the conclusions unrelaible ie 10mg might have no effect but 40 mg might. Worth reading though.

 

[Bluetit1802]

Having scrutinised my on-line medical records it is obvious that at each review the nurse has a tick list of everything she is supposed to have covered, and just goes through it and ticks the appropriate boxes on the computer software. . One of them is about statins. The boxes are probably "accepted" "declined" "dose and brand ... " She is obliged to discuss, even if she knows what the answer will be. All mine say "declined" but she always mentions them, if somewhat briefly without any nagging these days. The diet one is also interesting. She knows my diet is LCHF but there is no box for it so instead she ticks the high fibre box!!!

 

[zand]

She knows my diet is LCHF but there is no box for it so instead she ticks the high fibre box!!!

lol if they all do that then next we will be hearing how great all-bran is for diabetic control.

 

[Nicksu]

What I want to know is - do these folks who write these reports take statins themselves! Might be interesting to know!

 

[librarising]

One voice worth listening to in the anti-statin debate is that of Research Scientist Stephanie Seneff. She has an intense interest in the biology of the body, and wouldn't even give statins to those with Familial Hylercholesterolemia.
She points out that heart disease may be on the down, but heart failure is on the up. Statins are bad news for muscles, and your most important muscle ? Your heart.

All her YouTube videos are interesting, but be prepared to get lost in superior medical terminology from time to time.
Geoff

 

[zand]

Statins are bad news for muscles, and your most important muscle ? Your heart.

At last, I find a doctor saying what I have said on this forum for years!

 

[Mr_Pot]

I'll have to remember that one next week if they try to nag me at the diabetic clinic to take them! With the NHS budget being as it is, see how quickly they will back off!

You don't need a "ploy" just say you don't want to take them. The doctor is supposed to offer them, if he can tick a box marked "declined" he has done his job. My doctor just said " ok fair enough".

 

[librarising]

At last, I find a doctor saying what I have said on this forum for years!

I may have conflated comments from a number of her videos, so don't blame me if she doesn't exactly say that in the video I posted. I was browsing a few, this morning IMD.
Geoff