Are we talking diets or religion? ( or maybe its all about fear?)

[Seriously]

I reckon you're here to wind people up.
There's no fear.
Shopping today took my wife 7 hours and a hundred and twenty miles.
I have other serious health issues and need tablets in the car should I have gone with her.
You think that's fear or common sense?
The medicine for my diabetes is mostly food.
So there's food in the car.
I suspect you're a troll.

Ok, this is a normal greeting for newbies?
I guess if I don't understand, you somehow go in for abuse to make you feel big and clever because you have been here for a while, and know all the answers?
Reported
Asked for my account to be deleted.
I will certainly not be recommending this site to anyone I talk to at the local diabetes surgeries and courses.

 

[Simon84]

@Seriously

You have a lot of reading to do ....

He/She Seriously does for sure!

 

[CherryAA]

Hi @Seriously . First off I'm a T1 and I have tried LCHF and it DOES'NT work..........for me.
No study, no report and all the posts of positive outcomes will not convince me it's an option for me.
There's far more to life than just food. My opinion before you all start responding.
As a newbie you need to try different things and find what makes you happy, as healthy as you feel comfortable with and what is do able. Obviously LCHF works for some, but this forum is only the tip of the tip of a very big diabetes iceberg. For every LCHF poster there are many more happy healthy diabetics who have never heard of LCHF or this forum .
Please don't feel pressurised by this forum, we are here to offer suggestions and help each other. No one is an expert on here, we only have opinions.
I would prefer you to stay and in time to come be in a position to post how you have dealt with your diabetes. Positive or negative it will ultimately help others in the future.
P.S. Welcome

That's what is really confusing me.
You say I can only control my glucose levels by your diet?
"boiled eggs, hard cheese, avocado, pork scratching dry cured Italian meats, coffee with cream , nuts, seeds. Celery with a nut butter"
So the other diets on here don't control BG?
How do they work then?
Although I do see most other posts that start on other diets do normally get told to go LC, so don't they work then?

have you received the @daisy1 welcome note ?

That explains the general guidance the website give to all people with diabetes - which is in general terms about controlling the overall level of carboyhydrates in your diet. There is then a Low Carb programe that people are advised to look at where something like240,000 people have learned to take more control of their blood sugars through it.

That covers probably 90% of all diets discussed on here related to T2 diabetes- just that they may be more or less severe in the level of carb restriction from "moderate carbs" to low carbs to LCHF, to ketogenic .

People then try to implement these in a variety of ways from paleo to vegan - but using their own choices of foods to suit personal taste.

Separately there are people trying very low calorie diets, which by their nature will also be "Low carb" in total because there are so few grams of anything, but carbs may form a higher proportion of the total restricted amounts.

There are then a few people attempting to do it the other way round

This is a very high carb low fat diet . The theory being that there may be something at the opposite end of the spectrum that works . Its clear that carbs and fat together don't work, that lots of fat and little carb does work, not quite so clear yet that lots of carbs and little fat works , though we are all interested to see the progress of those that do.

What is abundantly clear in ALL of these diets is that the key to good health is reducing reaaince on processed foods, especially those with sugar in them and increasing real foods.

its totally your choice which path best suits you. !

 

[Mr_Pot]

You say I can only control my glucose levels by your diet?
"boiled eggs, hard cheese, avocado, pork scratching dry cured Italian meats, coffee with cream , nuts, seeds. Celery with a nut butter"

Those were @CherryAA 's suggestions for snacks not her complete diet!

 

[Mike d]

I will certainly not be recommending this site to anyone I talk to at the local diabetes surgeries and courses.

You'll find you're outnumbered by the thousands who recommend and refer new diabetics to this site

 

[CherryAA]

Those were @CherryAA 's suggestions for snacks not her complete diet!

ha ha yeah true In fact I'm on a personal mantra of NO snacks no matter what at present. I did have a day when I couldn't leave a very large jar of pork scratchings alone. Funnily enough eating one or two is rather nice, eating 122 a tad nauseous !

 

[Seriously]

Obviously not a friendly site, it is a shame I did decide to post, and it does seem the usual zealots I've seen while lurking are now coming out to defend their religion.
But it is an apt thread
I have asked the administration to remove my account when I reported the post, the abusive post has even been liked, so I will ask @Administrator to ensure my account is closed and removed.

 

[JTL]

That's what is really confusing me.
You say I can only control my glucose levels by your diet?
"boiled eggs, hard cheese, avocado, pork scratching dry cured Italian meats, coffee with cream , nuts, seeds. Celery with a nut butter"
So the other diets on here don't control BG?
How do they work then?
Although I do see most other posts that start on other diets do normally get told to go LC, so don't they work then?

You find a diet that works for you.
Why are you finding this so difficult?
Or am I right and you're here to wind people up?

 

[JTL]

Obviously not a friendly site, it is a shame I did decide to post, and it does seem the usual zealots I've seen while lurking are now coming out to defend their religion.
But it is an apt thread
I have asked the administration to remove my account when I reported the post, the abusive post has even been liked, so I will ask @Administrator to ensure my account is closed and removed.

Just stop posting it's dead easy.

 

[kokhongw]

So the other diets on here don't control BG?
How do they work then?
Although I do see most other posts that start on other diets do normally get told to go LC, so don't they work then?

Yes they do...you will find many discussion about very low calorie diet ... Newcastle diet by Dr Roy Taylor...it is not low carb

But what I don't see over the past 2 years here is many post of successful normalization of HbA1c in the http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/success-stories-and-testimonials.43/ for those who follow the overwhelmingly recommended NHS eat well method. Perhaps they don't visit this site often enough to share their success...

 

[DCUKMod]

Obviously not a friendly site, it is a shame I did decide to post, and it does seem the usual zealots I've seen while lurking are now coming out to defend their religion.
But it is an apt thread
I have asked the administration to remove my account when I reported the post, the abusive post has even been liked, so I will ask @Administrator to ensure my account is closed and removed.

I can do that for you @Seriously .

 

[therower]

@CherryAA .
Have I received the daisy1 welcome note? No I haven't.
But I have lived with T1 diabetes for 27 yrs . I am far fitter and healthier than almost all my age. I'm also extremely happy with life. My T1 is my companion and is the only medical condition I have.
I have over the years tried various approaches to how I keep my self in a good and happy place with my diabetes. Medication, diet and exercise.
Solely on the diet. Yes I've tried LCHF and fasting on more than one occasion. I do not do LCHF or fasting because it doesn't deliver what I want, it fails to give me a level of control and satisfaction I need in life.
There is more to life than food and diet. Of all the posts I see regarding LCHF I fail to recall anyone ask or consider what the lifestyle is of the person being offered advice. Just the assumption that it " works for me so it's got to work for you".
I have experience at this life with diabetes, far more than some, not as much as others.
If LCHF works for you, fine.
LCHF doesn't work for me and no one or no amount of studies and posts will change that.
I know I'm in the minority but that's good for me.

 

[CherryAA]

@CherryAA .
Have I received the daisy1 welcome note? No I haven't.
But I have lived with T1 diabetes for 27 yrs . I am far fitter and healthier than almost all my age. I'm also extremely happy with life. My T1 is my companion and is the only medical condition I have.
I have over the years tried various approaches to how I keep my self in a good and happy place with my diabetes. Medication, diet and exercise.
Solely on the diet. Yes I've tried LCHF and fasting on more than one occasion. I do not do LCHF or fasting because it doesn't deliver what I want, it fails to give me a level of control and satisfaction I need in life.
There is more to life than food and diet. Of all the posts I see regarding LCHF I fail to recall anyone ask or consider what the lifestyle is of the person being offered advice. Just the assumption that it " works for me so it's got to work for you".
I have experience at this life with diabetes, far more than some, not as much as others.
If LCHF works for you, fine.
LCHF doesn't work for me and no one or no amount of studies and posts will change that.
I know I'm in the minority but that's good for me.

My convo was replying to @Seriously who is a newcomer and it wasn't referencing LCHF, which is merely one of the options around looking at his overall carb intake as per the @daisy1 advice . I don't quite understand why you think it was aimed at you. have I inadvertently referenced you somewhere? if so I apologise.

I don't have any issues with anyone adopting anything and currently my one meal a day regime has easily been double the amount of carbs I was eating on a more standard LCHF regime . So I'm not sure why you are assuming I'm an LCHF above all else person . I'm a "no refined foods, no omega 6 seed oils eat once per day person", currently where that takes me in terms of definitions of others is upto them.

I am interested though in what you do eat - is that effectively the Eatwell plate ? Have you made any adjustments to your diet compared to your non diabetic colleagues? If it works for you it may well work for others so I would be interested to hear more details and if those would be relevant to T2 diabetes.

 

[Deleted member 308541]

Have I received the daisy1 welcome note? No I haven't.

So! I am not alone in not receiving @daisy1 "info pack" when I first joined over a year ago.

I have read it though, when it has been posted for others. I also printed out parts of it that I considered useful.

 

[BrianTheElder]

@CherryAA .
Have I received the daisy1 welcome note? No I haven't.
But I have lived with T1 diabetes for 27 yrs . I am far fitter and healthier than almost all my age. I'm also extremely happy with life. My T1 is my companion and is the only medical condition I have.
I have over the years tried various approaches to how I keep my self in a good and happy place with my diabetes. Medication, diet and exercise.
Solely on the diet. Yes I've tried LCHF and fasting on more than one occasion. I do not do LCHF or fasting because it doesn't deliver what I want, it fails to give me a level of control and satisfaction I need in life.
There is more to life than food and diet. Of all the posts I see regarding LCHF I fail to recall anyone ask or consider what the lifestyle is of the person being offered advice. Just the assumption that it " works for me so it's got to work for you".
I have experience at this life with diabetes, far more than some, not as much as others.
If LCHF works for you, fine.
LCHF doesn't work for me and no one or no amount of studies and posts will change that.
I know I'm in the minority but that's good for me.

I read a lot of posts from T1s because my brother and stepson are both T1 and I want to understand what they have to put up with. It has been a real eye-opener for me. I would not presume, however, to give a T1 any sort of advice, certainly not on diet.
But things get confusing sometimes with LCHF. The majority of diabetics are T2 and the LCHF diet can be very effective for them - that is why there are so many enthusiasts. For a T1, it is obviously completely different and there are many factors to take into account, so LCHF is often not appropriate. I think it would be good if we could try to understand each other and be supportive.

 

[woodywhippet61]

That's what is really confusing me.
You say I can only control my glucose levels by your diet?
"boiled eggs, hard cheese, avocado, pork scratching dry cured Italian meats, coffee with cream , nuts, seeds. Celery with a nut butter"
So the other diets on here don't control BG?
How do they work then?
Although I do see most other posts that start on other diets do normally get told to go LC, so don't they work then?

IMO it's best to get a meter and test for yourself the affect that the foods that you eat have on your BG. Then you will see for yourself. Everyone is different. I test immediately before I eat, 1 hour and 2 hours after.

 

[serenity648]

Would it be possible for the post by @daisy1 and the meter post by @AM1874 to be automatically whooshed to newbies?

I have no problem with people posting about their personal experiences.

I have a problem with people posting ultra low carb advice in answer to someone who is here for the first time or first week or so, before they have found their feet and taken on board the excellent advice from @daisy1 and from @AM1874 about self testing. This info should be given time to sink in before anything else, in my view.


I feel confident that, if avoiding all carbs was needed, @daisy1 would say so in her initial post.

 

[serenity648]

I also think we should hold back with our differing experiences until we have stablished what sort of diabetes someone has, whether they have any other medical conditions they have to take into account etc etc. That takes time.

For me, for example, being told exercise is essential before i even had chance to talk about my ME was discouraging. Or being told to give up all wheat, rice, potatoes etc if I am serious about reducing my blood sugars, without the advice being tailored to my digestive issues, was also disheartening. To learn, almost from ones first post, that one cant do what is 'required' made a scary situation worse. Especially as it wasnt accurate.

If I had had chance to get into the swing of lowering carbs, identifying what carbs actually are, and self testing first i would have been able to avoid the extra anxiety and tension that was, in my case, unnecessary. Self testing would have shown me the questions to ask.

So I suppose what I am trying to say is that we should back off initially, see the lie of the land, encourage a newbie to start with the small steps, before anything else.

 

[woodywhippet61]

I read a lot of posts from T1s because my brother and stepson are both T1 and I want to understand what they have to put up with. It has been a real eye-opener for me. I would not presume, however, to give a T1 any sort of advice, certainly not on diet.
But things get confusing sometimes with LCHF. The majority of diabetics are T2 and the LCHF diet can be very effective for them - that is why there are so many enthusiasts. For a T1, it is obviously completely different and there are many factors to take into account, so LCHF is often not appropriate. I think it would be good if we could try to understand each other and be supportive.

I have a close friend (of 30 years) who is T1 and despite my being there and helping her when she has had hypo's I could never understand what it's like for her. I certainly wouldn't dream of offering diet advice to her. She on the other hand has been very helpful and supportive to me. She is also the reason why I have a 'fear' of having hypos and it's why I have tried diet and exercise in the hope that I can delay taking meds.

 

[therower]

@CherryAA . Post #103 appears to have a direct reply to myself and seriously.
The Eatwell Plate is a good one. I personally do not feel it's as bad as is often portrayed. I think people often fail to actually eat it. They get the proportions wrong but assume that because the ingredients are on the plate that is all that matters. It's very easy to consume 2 or 3 times the amount of food we actually need. That can be anything, be it carbs ,fats, protein.
My own diet which suits me consists around 180/200 g daily. I appreciate this is not overly excessive compared to many non diabetics and I have based my intake on giving me results that suit me.
I eat processed food, I eat fruit , vegetables ( below and above ground ) , fresh meat, complex carbs. I try not to eat more than I need just a sensible diet.
Ultimately our conditions are very different. I have tried the diets often suggested on the forum in my years. My biggest concern for newcomers, especially is that these diets especially so soon after diagnosis can be harder to achieve than actually coming to terms with the condition first. Diagnosis is difficult, then throw in a new dietary regime and for some this could doom them to failure. There are many options open but sadly I all to often see the same one.