Are we talking diets or religion? ( or maybe its all about fear?)

[kokhongw]

Newly diagnosed T2D have this small window of opportunity to return to normal glucose levels and maintain it rather easily. This is unfortunately not widely known or supported...except on a small number of low carb sites and forums.

 

[Kristin251]

My hubby ( not diabetic) gains weight with too much fat and loses with some carbs. On the other hand, I can eat as much fat as I want ( works out to moderate fat) but I don't even need to eat the carbs, just looking at them makes me gain. We could never feel well on each other's diets. So I say give it a go!!!

Your meter will tell you and so will your body as you pointed out. I imagine there will be some fiddling around with how many carbs as well as the type.

I very much believe getting the right proportions of the right macros is key for EACH individual. If we get that right, and the body is fired up on all cylinders then other markers should fall into place

 

[JTL]

Some people set about their diet religiously is that a problem for others?
If it is I'd suggest concentrating on your own needs and ideas before condemning anyone elses approach.
This site even comes replete with miracles though small they may be in the others eyes.

 

[JTL]

In the title of this thread it says .....or maybe it's all about fear?
Well being diagnosed with have a very very serious disease can be frightening.
Fear is a perfectly acceptable emotion under the circumstances.
You have a disease that might take your toes your legs your eyes.
You may well die many years before you should do .... is this frightening for some people?
It certainly frightened me when I was first told and then started reading up on it.

 

[Seriously]

The sites way too heavy for me so far.
Everyone seems terrified, not just fearful.
Maybe I can find something useful, but it does seem to be the onus is always follow the religion with the fear of god if you don't.
I'll see if I find anything that helps, but it hasn't much changed since the last post.

 

[JTL]

The sites way too heavy for me so far.
Everyone seems terrified, not just fearful.
Maybe I can find something useful, but it does seem to be the onus is always follow the religion with the fear of god if you don't.
I'll see if I find anything that helps, but it hasn't much changed since the last post.

I don't see anything like what you're seeing!

 

[Seriously]

I don't see anything like what you're seeing!

I guess you're not a newbie.
I swear I even saw one post that said someone went out with boiled eggs, in case they couldn't get food, and their BG rose to over 6 or 7 or something, and they suffered major consequences.
And an absolute fear of eating a carb and having cravings that they couldn't control after?
Others utterly terrified of BG rising something like 2 points?
Try being a newbie seeing 7 as a target to get down to, and if dedicated long termers on here can't control themselves day to day what chance have I?
Control the diabetes, but its than live in complete fear every day of BG rising, and never going out anywhere unless I pack enough food in case I need to eat anywhere.
How do I even go in a restaurant and start unpacking eggs?

Even here
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/eating-low-carb-while-at-a-client-on-business.127504/

Advice is to lie about it, like the cure is worse than being diabetic.

 

[CherryAA]

I guess you're not a newbie.
I swear I even saw one post that said someone went out with boiled eggs, in case they couldn't get food, and their BG rose to over 6 or 7 or something, and they suffered major consequences.
And an absolute fear of eating a carb and having cravings that they couldn't control after?
Others utterly terrified of BG rising something like 2 points?
Try being a newbie seeing 7 as a target to get down to, and if dedicated long termers on here can't control themselves day to day what chance have I?

I remember being a newbie too. It was about 15 months ago. I had blood sugars around 18 and practically everything the old timers said - about being disappointed if their number went up to 6 , about more than 2 increase being a problem seemed that they occupied a different planet from me.

At the time I decided I can take this two ways - either throw up my hands in horror that I will never be able to do what is being suggested , or go with the flow, accept that these people seemed to know what they were talking about, there was no absolute reason why my own body would behave any differently from theirs and do my best to try and sort out my own health before it was too late .

A year later I'm now one of those annoying people commenting on the minutae of small levels of control. I am just like everyone else utterly fallible and some days it doesn't work, most days it does and I feel fitter than I have done for years.
You will too, no one should expect this to easy, it isn't , but it is doable, and the food IS lovely just different.

Good luck and welcome !

 

[bulkbiker]

I guess you're not a newbie.
I swear I even saw one post that said someone went out with boiled eggs, in case they couldn't get food, and their BG rose to over 6 or 7 or something, and they suffered major consequences.
And an absolute fear of eating a carb and having cravings that they couldn't control after?
Others utterly terrified of BG rising something like 2 points?
Try being a newbie seeing 7 as a target to get down to, and if dedicated long termers on here can't control themselves day to day what chance have I?
Control the diabetes, but its than live in complete fear every day of BG rising, and never going out anywhere unless I pack enough food in case I need to eat anywhere.
How do I even go in a restaurant and start unpacking eggs?

Even here
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/eating-low-carb-while-at-a-client-on-business.127504/

Advice is to lie about it, like the cure is worse than being diabetic.

Yep we've all been there.. oddly enough at one point we were all newbies.. most of us given bad advice by our doctors and have gone through a process of self education to get to where we are today. So yes we take our health fairly seriously. It's really up to you whether you want to or not. Levels of carb control vary between us.. personally if there's nothing I can eat somewhere then I simply don't eat .. others take low carb food with them just in case. Once you have figured out the significant effects that carbs can have on your blood glucose by getting a meter and testing then you'll maybe see why a lot of us try to avoid them. We try and help newbies by explaining what we have done so you can maybe give it a go. As always it's your diabetes .. no-one else's so up to you how to deal with it.

 

[Seriously]

I remember being a newbie too. It was about 15 months ago. I had blood sugars around 18 and practically everything the old timers said - about being disappointed if their number went up to 6 , about more than 2 increase being a problem seemed that they occupied a different planet from me.

At the time I decided I can take this two ways - either throw up my hands in horror that I will never be able to do what is being suggested , or go with the flow, accept that these people seemed to know what they were talking about, there was no absolute reason why my own body would behave any differently from theirs and do my best to try and sort out my own health before it was too late .

A year later I'm now one of those annoying people commenting on the minutae of small levels of control. I am just like everyone else utterly fallible and some days it doesn't work, most days it does and I feel fitter than I have done for years.
You will too, no one should expect this to easy, it isn't , but it is doable, and the food IS lovely just different.

Good luck and welcome !

Why do you suggest lieing about low carbing?
Can't we admit we do it?

 

[CherryAA]

Why do you suggest lieing about low carbing?
Can't we admit we do it?

I'm a bit lost. I didn't suggest lieing about it ? Low carbing makes eminent sense, for everyone on the planet not just diabetics - my reasoning being that it forces everyone along a path of more real foods and less processed foods.

.I should that to the rooftops to all my friends ( when discussing diet - hopefully not the rest of the time )

I don't think it matters as to how its defined- LCHF, ketogenic, low carb . paleo, vegetarian, vegan - etc - the one thing all of these diets have to offer is that unless fat is deliberately restricted they will be naturally higher in fats and lower in carbs than processed foods simply because that is what real food is -whichever real food you choose to do it with.

 

[JTL]

Seriously If you've been diagnosed then you have a very very serious disease.
Take it lightly if you want to.
Ignore it if you want to.
Your body your disease.
Mie isn't going to kill me because I listened to all the crazy people on here and then became as crazy as them!
My car has snacks in it.
Sweets for uplift of sugars should I need it.
Posk scratchings to keep me going should the traffic hit a dead stop for five hours and there's no way out.
I alwasy fill up a bottle with water just in case.
Often a flask of coffee.
I live in North Wales and everywhere I need to go is a long way compared with living in a city.
60 70 80 mile round trips are common on a daily basis.
The A55 coastal express often shuts down because of accidents.
I want to be as comfortable as possible in those situations.
I'm no longer like the rest of the people in the traffic jam as I have a deadly disease that is affected by food and water intake.
All these precautions are just a part of my daily life now so I don't really think about them.
I'm on auto pilot as it weere.
No not frightened not worrying just learned to live with the disease that brings on many changes.
You'd be the diabetic in the traffic jam that was panicking not me.

 

[Seriously]

I'm a bit lost. I didn't suggest lieing about it ? Low carbing makes eminent sense, for everyone on the planet not just diabetics - my reasoning being that it forces everyone along a path of more real foods and less processed foods.

.I should that to the rooftops to all my friends ( when discussing diet - hopefully not the rest of the time )

I don't think it matters as to how its defined- LCHF, ketogenic, low carb . paleo, vegetarian, vegan - etc - the one thing all of these diets have to offer is that unless fat is deliberately restricted they will be naturally higher in fats and lower in carbs than processed foods simply because that is what real food is -whichever real food you choose to do it with.

In your other thread, like not eating carbs is worse than being diabetic?

I have happily picked out all the good bits and left the bread on the plate - its easy to just mutter " gluten intolerance " if anyone comments

 

[Seriously]

Seriously If you've been diagnosed then you have a very very serious disease.
Take it lightly if you want to.
Ignore it if you want to.
Your body your disease.
Mie isn't going to kill me because I listened to all the crazy people on here and then became as crazy as them!
My car has snacks in it.
Sweets for uplift of sugars should I need it.
Posk scratchings to keep me going should the traffic hit a dead stop for five hours and there's no way out.
I alwasy fill up a bottle with water just in case.
Often a flask of coffee.
I live in North Wales and everywhere I need to go is a long way compared with living in a city.
60 70 80 mile round trips are common on a daily basis.
The A55 coastal express often shuts down because of accidents.
I want to be as comfortable as possible in those situations.
I'm no longer like the rest of the people in the traffic jam as I have a deadly disease that is affected by food and water intake.
All these precautions are just a part of my daily life now so I don't really think about them.
I'm on auto pilot as it weere.
No not frightened not worrying just learned to live with the disease that brings on many changes.
You'd be the diabetic in the traffic jam that was panicking not me.

Exactly the title of the thread, religion with fear.

Does every single member on here do that, or do others cope in ways that aren't as good for diabetics as yours are?
Do they all panic in traffic jams, or can they cope without fear?
Genuine question to others, if there are other ways?
Is the second best method still good enough, if somehow I forget to pack before every trip?
Or do I need to snack on pork scratchings all the time, as I see it is a very popular snack.

 

[CherryAA]

In your other thread, like not eating carbs is worse than being diabetic?

ah right now I get you.

I personally say - "I'm diabetic " without any hiding anything .
If I'm feeling particularly in need of " helping" someone else I may say " I don't eat carbs" ( or more particularly I would reference process foods )and explain to them here is why if asked. ( with or without letting on I'm diabetic )

However I also get that for many people that is personal information they do not necessarily for example want to share with their co-workers. it's not a question of what's worse , just that in today's age of intolerances all over the place - then its easy to simply say something totally generic that explains what you are doing without ever going near personal matters. That's all.

At this stage in my life I'm actually quite proud I am t2 diabetic it has forced me to understand many things I should still have understood if non diabetic.

 

[therower]

Hi @Seriously . First off I'm a T1 and I have tried LCHF and it DOES'NT work..........for me.
No study, no report and all the posts of positive outcomes will not convince me it's an option for me.
There's far more to life than just food. My opinion before you all start responding.
As a newbie you need to try different things and find what makes you happy, as healthy as you feel comfortable with and what is do able. Obviously LCHF works for some, but this forum is only the tip of the tip of a very big diabetes iceberg. For every LCHF poster there are many more happy healthy diabetics who have never heard of LCHF or this forum .
Please don't feel pressurised by this forum, we are here to offer suggestions and help each other. No one is an expert on here, we only have opinions.
I would prefer you to stay and in time to come be in a position to post how you have dealt with your diabetes. Positive or negative it will ultimately help others in the future.
P.S. Welcome

 

[CherryAA]

Exactly the title of the thread, religion with fear.

Does every single member on here do that, or do others cope in ways that aren't as good for diabetics as yours are?
Do they all panic in traffic jams, or can they cope without fear?
Genuine question to others, if there are other ways?
Is the second best method still good enough, if somehow I forget to pack before every trip?
Or do I need to snack on pork scratchings all the time, as I see it is a very popular snack.

I cope with zero fear, I don't worry about any of these things, and I don't need to because I don't need to take insulin. I am very fortunate in that Many posters here do need to take insulin and that changes many things about how you can live your life. For someone newly diagnosed with diabetes you have a great opportunity to get in control of it early without needing insulin. Changing your diet gives you the best chance of doing that.
Ultimately you don't " need" to snack on anything- if you do decide to snack and you wish to control your glucose levels then you will need to find new snacks in place of sugary ones or biscuits - there are tons of things around that work
boiled eggs, hard cheese, avocado, pork scratching dry cured Italian meats, coffee with cream , nuts, seeds. Celery with a nut butter, pate and all manner of baked good made with for example almond flours. You are really only limited by your imagination once you know what kind of foods you are looking for !

 

[Mr_Pot]

Seriously If you've been diagnosed then you have a very very serious disease.
Take it lightly if you want to.
Ignore it if you want to.
Your body your disease.

Well that's certainly lightened things up and reassured @Seriously !
I don't carry anything with me for emergencies, if necessary I just go without or wait till later. If planned I might take a suitable packed lunch but non-diabetics do that. I find low-carb is getting better understood if only because people are using it for weight loss. I wouldn't lie about it but I don't need to explain to people, I just eat what I can and leave the rest.

 

[JTL]

Exactly the title of the thread, religion with fear.

Does every single member on here do that, or do others cope in ways that aren't as good for diabetics as yours are?
Do they all panic in traffic jams, or can they cope without fear?
Genuine question to others, if there are other ways?
Is the second best method still good enough, if somehow I forget to pack before every trip?
Or do I need to snack on pork scratchings all the time, as I see it is a very popular snack.

I reckon you're here to wind people up.
There's no fear.
Shopping today took my wife 7 hours and a hundred and twenty miles.
I have other serious health issues and need tablets in the car should I have gone with her.
You think that's fear or common sense?
The medicine for my diabetes is mostly food.
So there's food in the car.
I suspect you're a troll.

 

[Seriously]

I cope with zero fear, I don't worry about any of these things, and I don't need to because I don't need to take insulin. I am very fortunate in that Many posters here do need to take insulin and that changes many things about how you can live your life. For someone newly diagnosed with diabetes you have a great opportunity to get in control of it early without needing insulin. Changing your diet gives you the best chance of doing that.
Ultimately you don't " need" to snack on anything- if you do decide to snack and you wish to control your glucose levels then you will need to find new snacks in place of sugary ones or biscuits - there are tons of things around that work
boiled eggs, hard cheese, avocado, pork scratching dry cured Italian meats, coffee with cream , nuts, seeds. Celery with a nut butter, pate and all manner of baked good made with for example almond flours. You are really only limited by your imagination once you know what kind of foods you are looking for !

That's what is really confusing me.
You say I can only control my glucose levels by your diet?
"boiled eggs, hard cheese, avocado, pork scratching dry cured Italian meats, coffee with cream , nuts, seeds. Celery with a nut butter"
So the other diets on here don't control BG?
How do they work then?
Although I do see most other posts that start on other diets do normally get told to go LC, so don't they work then?