Low carb, keto for children

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@bulkbiker quotes from article:

The ketogenic diet used by medical hospital teams might be higher in unhealthy fats (just look at the state of regular hospital food these days). Many hospitals will have their own formulas for keto foods, such as a blend of oils, shakes, or other pre-made foods with butter, heavy cream, and vegetable oils that are easier for kids. Parents might want to closely monitor the quality of ketogenic foods being used.

Children are pickier and it might be more of a struggle to get them to eat the right foods for a ketogenic diet.

There’s a fine line between making healthy choices for your kids and being so restrictive that a healthy relationship to food develops later in life.

That's not a criticism of ketogenic diets but the way that they are applied in hospitals.. So nothing that a well formulated ketogenic diet would include.

As for kids being picky.. who makes the food the kids or....?
 
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The first step is clearly to remove as much sugar as possible from a child's diet, then remove empty carbs like lots of bread. A full keto diet may not be needed.

There was an article in a new paper this week about a child with epilepsy getting a lot better due to eating a few avocados each day. It did not say anything about what else the child was eating.
 
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This is not my understanding of keto? Isn't keto very low carbs ie less than 30gm per day? Surely growing, developing chicldren should have a range of foods and by restricting them to 30g of carb then they are severely restricting food stuffs? Breast milk contains 7g carbs per 100ml. So that's a lot more than 30g carbs per day

What foodstuffs will be restricted though?
 

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@bulkbiker I think we need to agree to disagree over this. If my children choose a keto diet and lifestyle now they are old enough to make their own choices then I won't stop them. But whilst they were too young to understand and make informed decisions then I believe I gave them a healthy balanced diet, and they had no food hangups and enjoyed a normal social life, eating out with friends, and not being the odd one out in school etc.
 
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The first step is clearly to remove as much sugar as possible from a child's diet, then remove empty carbs like lots of bread. A full keto diet may not be needed.

There was an article in a new paper this week about a child with epilepsy getting a lot better due to eating a few avocados each day. It did not say anything about what else the child was eating.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/30/girl-epilepsy-close-cure-eating-3000-avocados-7272544/
I guess it was that one..
 

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@bulkbiker I think we need to agree to disagree over this. If my children choose a keto diet and lifestyle now they are old enough to make their own choices then I won't stop them. But whilst they were too young to understand and make informed decisions then I believe I gave them a healthy balanced diet, and they had no food hangups and enjoyed a normal social life, eating out with friends, and not being the odd one out in school etc.
Fine but if your child had had a serous medical condition that would have been helped by a certain way of eating wouldn't you have wanted to try it? Societal norms be damned. That is mainly what we are talking about here...
 

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Remember.
'Give me a child until he is 7......'
Just making sugar and "empty carbs" the exception not the norm before a child is at an age to decide for themselves is likely to change what they eat for life.
 
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Fine but if your child had had a serous medical condition that would have been helped by a certain way of eating wouldn't you have wanted to try it? Societal norms be damned. That is mainly what we are talking about here...
Ok, if that is what we are talking about here and it was my child, then I would want medical professionals involved and not strangers on an internet forum!
 

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@ringi I do not believe that giving a child more than 30gm carbs a day necessitates giving them sugar or empty carbs.
 

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The current so called normal eating has almost half a billion diabetics and God knows how many more on the road to diabetes and obesity etc.

Our most precious human beings, children, are exposed to great tasting poisons before they can even talk or walk, this is social madness in my view. Being pushed on children, cereals with circa 70 g of carbs per 100 g, bread, potatoes, rice, 2 100 calorie snacks a day is the latest - this is not normal once the impact is known - I agree on choice, but a child's choice is proxies.
 

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@IanD - For some reason I recall you being a member of The Public Health Collaboration?

At the 2016 Conference in Birmingham, there were a decent number of HCPs there; specialist nurses and Dietiticians, dealing with paediatric epilepsy patients. They were very enthusiastic about it.

I seem to recall their enthusiasm about Joanne McCormack's presentation relating to LC for children.
 

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Ok, if that is what we are talking about here and it was my child, then I would want medical professionals involved and not strangers on an internet forum!

If only you could get access to medical professionals in the UK (on the NHS) that believed in anything other then lots of drugs and were willing to accept that eating fat is not always harmful.....
 

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If only you could get access to medical professionals in the UK (on the NHS) that believed in anything other then lots of drugs and were willing to accept that eating fat is not always harmful.....
If a child is epileptic and not responding well to drugs then I'm pretty sure they would get a referral to GOSH, and access to medical professionals and proper medical treatment
 

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But should diet not be used BEFORE drugs or at least at the same time, not waiting to see if the child does not respond to the drugs.