Insulin In The Uk

[Alison54321]

Q. How many trade deals will we have on 1st April 2019?
A. 0

Ofgs, you aren't going to start refighting the referendum here are you.

We are moving into a transition period, in case you've forgotten. Leaving with no deal would mean we use WTO trading rules, which work just fine, but include some tariffs. In fact we trade with a lot of the rest of the world under WTO rules.

A Canada +++ deal is a sensible option, problem is May have gone rogue, with a barmy plan about chequers, that the EU are in the process of rejecting.

Leave won the referendum. Where do you think we would end as a democracy, if we didn't implement the results of elections.

 

[Guzzler]

Good god!!! the only circumstances under which one country can refuse to supply medicines to another, is when international sanctions are in place.

There would probably have to be a UN resolution before EU countries could stop supplying the UK with insulin.

This shows why when non British people say things like 'You all should have done your research before you voted' is a lack of understanding or knowledge of what was going on before the referendum and what is still going on now that we are fast approaching due dates. There has been speculation on both sides when in reality the lack of clarity and the unprecedented position we find ourselves in plus the present Government's wishy washy approach means that panic and concern and stress abound.

 

[kev-w]

What I want to know is how many medications have a very short shelf life?

My Tresiba pens expire in 2020, but you're right as there'll be plenty of meds with a shorter lifespan.

Parallel imports - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/jun/29/pharmaceuticals https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=c51816da-5ff8-4111-9ba8-89638d4baf0b http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/03/20/parallel-trade-in-medicinal-drugs-is-putting-the-welfare-of-eu-patients-at-risk

My interest in these came about when I received a pack of Lantus with English stickers on top of the box printed in Polish that didn't work and had the same lot numbers as a box with Spanish writing on with English stickers on that also appeared not to work, my 3rd script in 5 days produced a box of Lantus printed in English from a different chemist that worked.

A written complaint to Sanofi was answered telling me it was the GlucoRX needles that were the problem

 

[Guzzler]

We should prepare for disruption to supply chains, especially just in time. It's only prudent

On a purely personal level, if I was insulin dependant I would be stockpiling but that is my nature. As it stands I am concerned about pain meds but cannot see a way to stockpile medicines that are only available to me on prescription. This is one thought that immediately struck me when I heard of a woman stocking up on insulin.

 

[Scott-C]

None of the insulin manufacturers would run the reputational risk of not selling insulin to the UK - no CEO is seriously going to say we're not going to sell to those leavers when he/she knows full well it will kill people - imagine what it would do to Novo's share price?!

But there's a possible risk from new, untested supply chains - what happens on day 0 when a jumped up starched collar customs officer is faced with whether or not to sign in a truck full of insulin?

"Nah, sorry, mate, can't let you through, head office hasn't given us any protocols for this insulin stuff yet, just park up for a couple of days, mate, yeah?"

Oh, well, Eva Saxl made her own during a war, so maybe get onto ebay and pick up a copy of Beckman's Internal Medicine, which has a paper setting out how to make it.

Now, where did I put that ammonium sulphate, I'm sure I bought some at Tesco....

 

[dbr10]

Ofgs, you aren't going to start refighting the referendum here are you.

We are moving into a transition period, in case you've forgotten. Leaving with no deal would mean we use WTO trading rules, which work just fine, but include some tariffs. In fact we trade with a lot of the rest of the world under WTO rules.

A Canada +++ deal is a sensible option, problem is May have gone rogue, with a barmy plan about chequers, that the EU are in the process of rejecting.

Leave won the referendum. Where do you think we would end as a democracy, if we didn't implement the results of elections.

No I'm not. What I said was fact. What you said was just supposition. It takes years to negotiate trade deals. Why did we spend two years negioting within the Govt to put forward a policy which we know will be rejected. It's just lunacy. The referendum is now officially a crime scene.

 

[dbr10]

The only reason leaving on WTO terms would be a problem would be if we weren't properly prepared. Theresa May has to take responsibility for any lack of preparedness.

Also her dead in the water chequers plan, funnily enough, makes no deal more likely, not less likely.

There, now you know.

 

[Alison54321]

No I'm not. What I said was fact. What you said was just supposition. It takes years to negotiate trade deals. Why did we spend two years negioting within the Govt to put forward a policy which we know will be rejected. It's just lunacy. The referendum is now officially a crime scene.

Trade deals are a method of bypassing the rather attractive most favoured nation aspect of WTO rules. Which, in my view, means that poorer countries lose out, because they don't have the same negotiating power.

But FTAs do not give "permission to trade" they just have an effect on patterns of trade.

It'll be very exciting when the UK regains it's seat at the WTO, as a full member. There are much bigger and more interesting things going on, than obsessing about frictionless trade, whether it is or not is another issue, with the EU.

 

[dbr10]

That's right @Guzzler there


Trade deals are a method of bypassing the rather attractive most favoured nation aspect of WTO rules. Which, in my view, means that poorer countries lose out, because they don't have the same negotiating power.

But FTAs do not give "permission to trade" they just have an effect on patterns of trade.

It'll be very exciting when the UK regains it's seat at the WTO, as a full member. There are much bigger and more interesting things going on, than obsessing about frictionless trade, whether it is or not is another issue, with the EU.

But one of 160 countries in the WTO, any one of which can block us. NZ raising concerns about meat production already.

 

[dbr10]

We are all apparently going to get super gonorrhoea too!! Of course that would be more of an issue, because there would be no regular supply chain for the medicine, and the increase in demand might take a while to be sorted out.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...ergonorrhoea-health-chief-warns-a3898186.html

It's quite disturbing that so many people in politics, and running quangos are so prone to hysteria, I wonder if it's the public schools, or something going wrong at Oxbridge. We clearly need wider recruitment policies.

We actually need to make sensible plans for different possible outcomes, since we can't know what they are.

 

[dbr10]

Exactly, I suppose insulin would be pretty unique in that stockpiling can only go so far. I am clinging to the thought that no European country (who are still our allies, after all) would refuse to trade vital medicines with us. Who would benefit from such actions? This whole process has been a mess since day one.

It's not a question of withholding supplies. It's about guaranteeing supplies chains.

 

[dbr10]

Good god!!! the only circumstances under which one country can refuse to supply medicines to another, is when international sanctions are in place.

There would probably have to be a UN resolution before EU countries could stop supplying the UK with insulin.

It's not about that. It's about logistics, and would supplies be disrupted. We need to take sensible precautions to make sure they are not.

 

[dbr10]

Trade deals are a method of bypassing the rather attractive most favoured nation aspect of WTO rules. Which, in my view, means that poorer countries lose out, because they don't have the same negotiating power.

But FTAs do not give "permission to trade" they just have an effect on patterns of trade.

It'll be very exciting when the UK regains it's seat at the WTO, as a full member. There are much bigger and more interesting things going on, than obsessing about frictionless trade, whether it is or not is another issue, with the EU.

Not sure I was obsessing with frictionless trade, but it's that just cheaper and easier?

 

[Guzzler]

It's not a question of withholding supplies. It's about guaranteeing supplies chains.

Pretty sure that Big Pharma wants to sell us their wares. And that they are powerful enough to get around any supply and demand problems.

 

[dbr10]

Pretty sure that Big Pharma wants to sell us their wares. And that they are powerful enough to get around any supply and demand problems.

At what price?

 

[Alison54321]

But one of 160 countries in the WTO, any one of which can block us. NZ raising concerns about meat production already.

Block us in what way? I've heard silly nonsense about another country could block our membership, but this isn't true, there is no right of veto, and we are already in the process of setting up our WTO services and goods schedules as independent member.

Obviously trade deals have to be negotiated inline with WTO rules, but that is the case within the EU. The EU is a very slow FTA negotiator, because they represent so many countries with so many different interests.

 

[Guzzler]

At what price?

This is a valid point. We do need to be sure that contingencies are in place but (and it is a big but) this relies on strong negotiators who I fear are thin on the ground atm.

 

[Scott-C]

The endo, Partha Kar, who has been quite active on the libre campaigning front, tweeted about this yesterday, saying he'll have a look into it. He clearly knows his way about the politics of diabetes/NHS, so maybe worthwhile keeping an eye on future tweets from him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/parthaskar/status/1023148229486170112

 

[dbr10]

This is a valid point. We do need to be sure that contingencies are in place but (and it is a big but) this relies on strong negotiators who I fear are thin on the ground atm.

True.

 

[Robinredbreast]

The endo, Partha Kar, who has been quite active on the libre campaigning front, tweeted about this yesterday, saying he'll have a look into it. He clearly knows his way about the politics of diabetes/NHS, so maybe worthwhile keeping an eye on future tweets from him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/parthaskar/status/1023148229486170112

i am now on Twitter and reading his 'tweets'.