I do understand, Michita. That's why my post said, "for me". If, for you, it isn't feeling beaten but a workable way of dealing with it, that's admirable.
All I'm saying is that while low carbing works for you, there's lots of us who get by quite happily without low carbing but are frequently explicitly or implicitly mocked by low carbers for doing so.
I know that you are a moderate person who is willing to see another person's point of view but there are people in the low carb camp who demand toleration of their views and at the same time completely refuse to tolerate the views of others.
Well, of course low carb is not an accepted way of managing T2 either, though the number of enlightened GPs and DNs is growing, to judge by reports on this Forum. The Type One Grit Facebook group recently hit the headlines getting terrific results for T1 children on low carb. Dr Ian Lake (T1) seems to be an indefatigable missionary for low carb, giving everything from lengthy addresses to brief interviews on the subject. Highly recommended! We're getting there.T1s on low carb have a small voice I just want to see lowcarbing as an accepted way of managing T1 which is not at the moment and it's really frustrating
Who, where, what?All I'm saying is that while low carbing works for you, there's lots of us who get by quite happily without low carbing but are frequently explicitly or implicitly mocked by low carbers for doing so.
I really don't think anyone is mocking t1s managing without low carbing.
T1s on low carb have a small voice
But not to T1s low carbing.This entire site is devoted to low carbing
The only person I have seen quote that Noakes tweet on here is you.. twice.Tim Noakes in the twitter link above plainly was. Comments like his appear regularly in lchf forums, and, indeed, on this forum.
You must be kidding. This entire site is devoted to low carbing, so that statement is nonsense. References to low carbing appear everywhere. I've had people pm'ing me saying they are reluctant to post because they feel they'll be shouted down for daring to eat a steakbake.
Many experienced T1s with decades worth of experience in the real world have drifted away because they simply can't be ar**d with the constant "do Bernstein or you'll die" nonsense.
Get back to me in a couple of decades (I've done three) and tell me how you're getting on after that length of time with a diet which involves ruling out an entire food group.
Who, where, what?
I'm sorry Scott but you have said this multiple times but I have never seen it happen on this forum.
Ok I don't frequent the T1 threads often but I do read quite a few.. and I've never seen this "frequent mocking " that you describe. Can you actually link to the thread where it happened?
Thank you, however the article 'proposes' benefit but does not prove it.Quotation from the article:
" People who have type 1 diabetes are at risk of dangerously low blood glucose levels. During the honeymoon period, the body responds better to insulin and blood glucose regulation is easier. To extend this period is only beneficial to the patient. Dr. Parth Narendran of the University of Birmingham and lead study author stated, “We propose that exercise prolongs honeymoon through a combination of improving how the body responds to insulin and preserving the function of insulin-producing cells in the pancreas. This could have important benefits for people with type 1 diabetes, including improved blood glucose control, [fewer] episodes of [hypoglycemia] and a reduced risk of diabetes-related complications.” "
From my own experience and not as professional opinion or advice: Low carb diet is a choice not an obligation. In the honeymoon period one has to weigh the risks of hypos vs hypers and then there is the fact that some will be teenagers who will be needing extra nutrients as they go through growth spurts and some who are newly pregnant. What diet or diets are best for these persons is still be researched. There is likely to be no one right answer, just a list of preferences with advantages and disadvantages put up to justify one approach vs another.So if that is the case wouldn't low carbing be the best route for those people? Or does the pancreas just throw out insulin even when someone has eaten no carbs at all? Honest questions, not looking for an argument.
From my own experience and not as professional opinion or advice:So if that is the case wouldn't low carbing be the best route for those people? Or does the pancreas just throw out insulin even when someone has eaten no carbs at all? Honest questions, not looking for an argument.
Yes, when something works for one person there can be a belief that it should work for all, which is a pipe dream. As others have said, one cannot extrapolate something that works for one person or a number from people with one form of diabetes and various age groups to another form and set of circumstances.I do understand, Michita. That's why my post said, "for me". If, for you, it isn't feeling beaten but a workable way of dealing with it, that's admirable.
All I'm saying is that while low carbing works for you, there's lots of us who get by quite happily without low carbing but are frequently explicitly or implicitly mocked by low carbers for doing so.
I know that you are a moderate person who is willing to see another person's point of view but there are people in the low carb camp who demand toleration of their views and at the same time completely refuse to tolerate the views of others.
As for low carb, well if you like it, it helps you then fab.
But some of us don't low carb and like cake and that too is also fab.
One person on one thread doesn't really add up to "frequent mocking". The one poster was just disagreeing with what you and Azure were saying. There wasn't any mocking at all at least not the way I read it.Some of the criticism is quite subtle, but still cutting. I've not bothered bookmarking anything because I'm too busy eating cake, but here's a starter for ten points:
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/why-dose-diet-matter.122563/page-2
Post #21: "The advice in this thread is, I believe, poor".
And then post #39 which is full of bold font, a sure sign of a weak argument which usn-t prepared to tolerate any other view.
Followed closely by post #40 which is worth quoting in full to emphasise its gross overstatement and exaggeration and apparent failure to understand some simplr basuc rules of T1 management:
"Eating a lot of carbs then taking a lot of insulin to cover it is like putting your foot on the gas and the breaks at the same time and trying to steer your car safely. No, it's dangerous and reckless."
I could go on, but my phone's about to run out of battery.
One person on one thread doesn't really add up to "frequent mocking". The one poster was just disagreeing with what you and Azure were saying. There wasn't any mocking at all at least not the way I read it.
Finding out the truth is often a challenge!! Best of Luck!!Yawn, BB, there's many others.
I'm just starting my first proper 2 week holiday I've had this year, so I really can't be bothered with this thread anymore.
What's way more interesting at this point in time is that one of the barmaids who has finished her shift in the bar I'm currently in has sidled up to me to complain that I wasn't in earlier to see her doing her country and western song stuff a few hours ago, and then spun it out to tell me all about how she was married to the bloke behind the bar (who is currently giving me the evil eye) but he ran off with a model who is, according to her, flashing her t*ts in Italy.
There's obviously a bit of tension going on between the pair of them, so I'm going to hang around for a while to see how it pans out - DAFNE and Bernstein don't teach a T1 how to deal with this sort of stuff!