COVID 2019 Comorbidity with Diabetes

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Jamie H said:
My aplogies I did think I had edited this when I saw you mention particular nuances that were quite relevant to you and would naturally make you anxious. My aplogies it didn't edit correctly and if I came across as insensitive. Even my general point about age isn't meant to be flippant.. I have elderly parents that I worry a lot about and the impact it would have on them if they got it. Nevermind my own associated risk even as a younger well controlled diabetic!
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no worries!

I am just delighted that we (everyone!) seems to be (very slowly) moving out of the COVID ‘Dark Ages’ and people are starting to get a handle on some of the specifics.
 
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jjraak said:
Cheers for posting.

Read through a bit and regards impaired lung efficiency.. Perhaps true, yet anecdotally my asthma has improved tremendously, as have many others since going LCHF..

hopefully if covid does befall us here, as expected, that MAY God willing give those of us on LCHF perhaps a small benefit .

Nice about it being sars2... Did not know that.
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I've read that lying chest down in bed instead of the usual chest up often helps those with lung problems, due to a different part of the lungs being used the most.

Also, I'd expect paint stores to be a possible place to get masks.

If you decide that cloth masks are adequate, rather than the medical grade, I've found information on the internet about how to make those.
 
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Very little has been said about the particular risks of Coronavirus to PWD.
We often read that the risk of death with Coronavirus is "only" 2%, with critical illness about 10%
But then we read that most of those suffering serious effects have pre-existing conditions.
80% have a pre-existing condition.

In effect, if you have a pre-existing condition then the risk of death is increased to around 10%; risk of critical illness increased to around 40% if you "catch" Coronavirus. The medical term for these increases in morbidity (death rates) is comorbidity.

Medical papers have been written on the prime condition which creates concern and we can read them by searching for Coronavirus Comorbid. Trouble is that COVID 2019 is too new for particular research papers to have been written - however we get a fairly accurate picture by looking at two "older", more researched Coronaviruses, SARS and MERS. These are very similar to COVID, indeed many medical professionals objected to the name COVID, saying that it should be called SARS2 as they are so similar.

We can find out just what those pre-existing conditions are - and which is the prime concern.

It is Diabetes - both T1 & T2

http://grantome.com/grant/NIH/F32-A..._fnGoJI-mnOb_gcQ0k6JbZtaPojB2JYc5NUCo-w67PZH4
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6824443/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6357155/
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/factsheet-health-professionals-coronaviruses
https://asprtracie.hhs.gov/technical-resources/44/coronavirus-sars-mers-2019-ncov/27
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my last HbA1c was 8.5, hopefully I will not get covid, but if I did would I recover or would I have more serious consequences, or could it prove fatal for me
 
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jane1950 said:
my last HbA1c was 8.5, hopefully I will not get covid, but if I did would I recover or would I have more serious consequences, or could it prove fatal for me
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You'd most likely recover with few if any ill effects like 44.8 million others have.

You are at slightly higher risk due to an elevated HbA1c so it might be best to try to bring that down by following an ultra low carb diet. The improved metabolic health that this would bring would also be a major benefit.

Of course there is always a risk that you could get serious consequences or indeed die.. but that risk is there every day anyway.
 
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The risks have considerably reduced for this second wave. It would seem that hospitals are better prepared and staff more experienced. We still see reports of staff struggling with treatment of D but it seems training and experience does improve and the greater number of PWD hospitalised may have some benefits in the longer term. While the numbers suffering from Covid have increased to more than the first wave, numbers of deaths are much lower. This is just personal views and experience. It would be interesting to see some professional evaluation of this.
 
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bulkbiker said:
You'd most likely recover with few if any ill effects like 44.8 million others have.

You are at slightly higher risk due to an elevated HbA1c so it might be best to try to bring that down by following an ultra low carb diet. The improved metabolic health that this would bring would also be a major benefit.

Of course there is always a risk that you could get serious consequences or indeed die.. but that risk is there every day anyway.
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difficult doing an ultra low carb diet, being type 1, as do need certain carbs, to stop me going hypo
 
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bulkbiker said:
Surely though hypos are for the most part the fault of excess exogenous insulin rather than lack of carbs?

https://type1keto.com/

have a read of Dr Lake who is T1 and eats very low carb.
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Using insulin is like good comedy..

...Timing.

Even on a low carb diet, the working profile of exgenous insulin can sometimes throw a curve ball. That's putting aside levels of insulin sensitivity, where the site chosen for the injection was, activity & wot not. That's not discounting the action of the basal too..
To be fair, the lower amounts of insulin used means I use less carbs to treat the hypo. (Just a nudge up.)

I've actually gone low fasting & during intense activity whilst my basal should be tailing off. Having said that. My BGs have also held in a mid 4 "flight pattern" too..

Hypos are a bit like waking to find someone has broken into your property.. Always assume they may do you harm. & act accordingly.. ;)
 
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Just chatted to my neighbour over the garden fence this morning and he and 4 of his 5 household have contracted Covid 19 and are isolating until next week. He and his wife have been hit the worse with it.
I have been self isolating since Friday because I received an alert Thursday night to inform me I have been in contact with someone who has Covid 19. I have only been to work, school escort and I went to Morrison's masked up on the Tuesday.
It's creeping ever nearer.............:wideyed:
 
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Robinredbreast said:
Just chatted to my neighbour over the garden fence this morning and he and 4 of his 5 household have contracted Covid 19 and are isolating until next week. He and his wife have been hit the worse with it.
I have been self isolating since Friday because I received an alert Thursday night to inform me I have been in contact with someone who has Covid 19. I have only been to work, school escort and I went to Morrison's masked up on the Tuesday.
It's creeping ever nearer.............:wideyed:
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Are any of them actually ill?
Or is it simply another testing error?
 
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Robinredbreast said:
All have been tested.
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Like your festive emoji! If anyone's going to catch it then it will be in their household.
Post match it will be interesting to see how many of those 'pinged' by test n trace were actually ill or caused illness?
Seasonally and regardless of human behaviours we're going to see more upper respiratory viruses going into January so you're right...I think we will be back on the naughty step in January.
 
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This study is the second one I have seen recently that establishes the possibility of a genetic susceptibility to having a severe reaction to Covid thus requiring ICU treatment.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3

One problem I see reported is that patients seem to get through the first stage of virulent Covid, but then their immune system seems to go into meltdown and attack its host. This seems to be indicated in this paper too. I have not been convinced the virus itself causes death, except possibly by inducing blood clots. Most Covid deaths seem to be recorded as pneumonia or respiratory failure.
https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/5/e189

PS pulmonary infiltrates is the lungs filling with fluid as a result of pneumonia or TB.
 
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