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For any who still think LCHF is a fad ...

Kat100 said:
Yes very sad ..and people died of starvation and other labels , which could be today be diabetes ....but undiagnosed ....people lived in dwellings some make shift and were staving ....quality of life was so often poor ....
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We see the past with rose tinted glasses some times. I'd never go back there.
 
douglas99 said:
What's the welsh equivalent of a cornish pasty?

Around the midlands it was bread.
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If you had money to,buy bread ....my grandmother died age 40 could not afford to feed herself or her children ...little children used to stand in line for a few bones at the butchers just to try and make a water based soup ...life was so so hard ....
I don't. Believe in fad diets .....then or now , I believe in results , results which work for peoples health needs ...and we are lucky to have a variety of food to choose from ....just my thoughts ...
 
douglas99 said:
@cold ethyl

Sugary wafer fingers, in sugary jelly, with strawberries in syrup from a tin, with sugary custard, then cream on top for the sunday trifle.
An assortment of steamed stodgy puddings we built the nation on, covered in home made custard, made out of pure sugar, and custard powder.
We built Britain on spotted ****, and treacle sponge. (with custard)

And if all that failed, there was always the Cling Peaches, in syrup,or the pineapple rings, in syrup, for a super sticky desert.
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Yes , people after the war were gratful for sugar and pudding ....not healthy eating ...
 
Kat100 said:
If you had money to,buy bread ....my grandmother died age 40 could not afford to feed herself or her children ...little children used to stand in line for a few bones at the butchers just to try and make a water based soup ...life was so so hard ....
I don't. Believe in fad diets .....then or now , I believe in results , results which work for peoples health needs ...and we are lucky to have a variety of food to choose from ....just my thoughts ...
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I believe my kids are better off than I was, I'm better off than my parents, we're living longer, life is improving overall for my family.
But not for all.
The balance is cheap food for the masses, which may give you a problem in your 50's 60's, or 70's, or may not, or no food.
If we have the opportunity to choose, then indeed we should be grateful.
 
Kat100 said:
Yes , people after the war were gratful for sugar and pudding ....not healthy eating ...
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History shows sugary/sweet puddings were normal for those that could aspire to them, from anytime where food was prepared. Again, class had a great bearing on the food.
 
So can we blame aristocracy for introducing the sweet ****? Brilliant!!
 
donnellysdogs said:
So can we blame aristocracy for introducing the sweet ****? Brilliant!!
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Nah. We can blame improvements in food manufacturing, industry and easier transport. Oh, and booming world economies.
And the bright spark who discovered how to make sugar out of sugar beet.
And our primate tendencies to have a sweet tooth.
;)
 
A lot of
donnellysdogs said:
In Wales some miners walked 2 hours to get to the coalmine to then go and do a full shift with another 2 hour walk home!! I think of these people and their conditions and lives every time I light the woodburner. Having found a disused mine when living there (that even the local old welsh miners never knew about) and where it was situated... It must have been a **** hard life...

I should have asked the older miners I knew there what their diet was, didn't think about it at the time.
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these miners were also,shell.shocked after the war ....it was awful for them ...
 
Kat100 said:
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these miners were also,shell.shocked after the war ....it was awful for them ...
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Yes, absolutely.. Forgot that they came out of the mines..

History is fascinating but so sad...
 
douglas99 said:
They enjoyed it.
We aspired to it.
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So didn't the butlers and sevants dip in to the dregs/left overs afterwards of the aristocracy foods? I would have!! Then that would have started the aspirations (to serve them less and hide some food somewhere else for later!!) or to get food they has seved as treats. Treats can become norm...
Yep, blame aristocrats!!
 
donnellysdogs said:
Yes, absolutely.. Forgot that they came out of the mines..

History is fascinating but so sad...
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It's only sad if you don't accept it, learn from it, and improve on it.
You can believe humanity gets better, or worry it gets worse.
I'm in the first group.
 
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donnellysdogs said:
So didn't the butlers and sevants dip in to the dregs/left overs afterwards of the aristocracy foods? I would have!! Then that would have started the aspirations (to serve them less and hide some food somewhere else for later!!) or to get food they has seved as treats. Treats can become norm...
Yep, blame aristocrats!!
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No, accept what you are.
Back to the primates mentioned earlier.
Me, I prefer yellow bananas to green ones, and I'm not blaming the aristocracy for that.
 
There's a good advert, but you need to have just been watching my tv to have seen it, as it was on seconds ago.
Aquafresh, 'sugar is everywhere'
Aquafresh man just defended against a breakfast cereal, and a slice of white bread, so the 'sugar' message is spreading when it's selling something at least.
 
douglas99 said:
It's only ad if you don't accept it, learn from it, and improve on it.
You can believe humanity gets better, or worry it gets worse.
I'm in the first group.
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Undecided for me.... First gut reaction is that we're better.... But on other hand.. Aren't we in the main better off just financially for luxuries and material things? Anything like schooling and financial banking (unless ur a wonga client with a debt) we are worse off... Technolgy and medicines have improved but as real humanity I think there is a decline...
 
We've gone from blood thirsty emperors, autocracies, kings, feudal systems, aristocracies,rights for the common man, democracies, we're getting better generation on generation.
I can look overseas, and see countries that I would have put as compatible to our middle ages, and see them accelerating into our world now, but in decades, rather than centuries.
As a whole, humanity is getting there.
 
Do you think a proto~puff Is anything like Sugar Puffs? I wish!! After reading recipe book, got a real urge for Sugar Puffs with ice cold milk. Ahh memories lol.

Great thread

Thank you

Smartie xx
 
Ok this thread seems to have moved into completely different realms. I've been looking at various diets

There were many diets, some very low, some very high carb Some very unpleasant. Most were very low calorie .
Rollo's diet mentioned earlier apparently included 'plain blood puddings',' fat rancid old meat' and it is thought he dosed with Antimony or other substance to make the patient vomit . Of his two Officers one, Rollo said was cured of glycosuria ie he had no sugar in the urine. ( how long for we don't know)The other couldn't tolerate the diet, stopped and died 3 months later. (Bittersweet, J Feudtner)

Another low carb diet ( actually meat only ) was used by an Italian doctor Cantani. He locked his patients up so that they would stick to the diet. I haven't been able to find if he killed or cured them. Apparently in Malta it was introduced but the death rate stayed exactly the same during the period it was used (but there were actually only a handful of cases in 19th century Malta)

There was Carl Van Noorden's oatmeal diet comprising 250g of oats, made into a porridge with water with 350-300g butter,and 100g of 'vegetable albumin' for which egg white could be substituted beaten in afterwards. This was eaten for each meal; with perhaps a little coffee or sour wine to 'relieve the monotony' Gradually the 'normal' diabetic diet was reintroduced with meat, veg, more oats to furnish carbs.
The telling thing in this account though is of a lady of 50 with what is called a malignant type of diabetes that was progressing. Her weight had been reduced to 68lbs (ie under 5 stone) A Dr Herrick writing about it here in 1908 says that it didn't do much in mild cases but he thought that it helped ward of coma and increased carbohydrate tolerance in more severe cases . However it was as he said unappetising . http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=181594

How about Arthur Scott Donkin's skim milk treatment for diabetes 1871? (haven't read it but there is a whole book here )https://archive.org/details/skimmilktreatme01donkgoog
And apparently there was even a sugar feeding diet, a potato diet and a vegetable cure diet (haven't found details of them).

This discusses all the various diets briefly http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/760941_3


Here is a source of many other old books about diabetes , some of them medical treatises but there are several other diabetes cookery books from the 1920s and 30s
One book I also noted is by R Lawrence (founder of Diabetes UK , a doctor and a T1 diabetic) The Diabetic Life was the standard 'manual' for both patients and doctors in the UK from the mid 1920s to as late as the 1950s) . .
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=Diabetes -- Periodicals&c=x
 
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