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Newcastle Diet - to follow it and do shakes and veg, or deviate?

I like your style too!

I must confess that the only way I would ever contemplate a very low calorie anything, it would be real, fresh, mainly raw, organic fruit and veg, plus meat fish or eggs plus supplementation and coconut oil.

Just cant believe the shakes can be better than that.

I guess it would be simply green smoothies and grilled meat, but I could drink about 2 litres of smoothie and still eat the protein, so I would never be hungry.

Having said that, I've promised my poor body (veteran of more diets that you can imagine), that I will never inflict another weight loss diet on it. :)
 
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Brunneria said:
I like your style too!

I must confess that the only way I would ever contemplate a very low calorie anything, it would be real, fresh, mainly raw, organic fruit and veg, plus meat fish or eggs plus supplementation.

Just cant believe the shakes can be better than that.

I guess it would be simply green smoothies and grilled meat, but I could drink about 2 litres go smoothie and still eat the protein, so I would never be hungry.

Having said that, I've promised my poor body (veteran of more diets that you can imagine), that I will never inflict another weight loss diet on it. :)
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I hear you Brunneria! (And I have enjoyed reading your posts very much.) Re weight loss/health intervention diets - this is my first! Ditto counting calories. (I was pretty happy being what I called 'pleasantly plump'. **** that blood glucose and insulin system going bung!) (No offence intended to my liver and pancreas ;).) Your version of a VLCD sounds like it would be yummy and nutritious indeed. And absolutely re the shakes for satiety and quality of nutrition (as in not!). I couldn't do it either. Especially for two months! But yeah - I do understand wanting to replicate the 'classic Newcastle', I guess we could call it.

Isn't counting calories and checking nutrition-values/food groups one of the biggest bores there is? The only thing I like about it is I get to contemplate what I am eating just a little bit longer thereby holding off the inevitable hunger a bit longer too!:inpain: :).
 
I also used plain food, and my main meal was an M&S healthy ready meal which was sooooo much nicer than a shake! Same results as the Newcastle diet!
 
Funny I never did the Newcastle diet per se more a low carb diet. I had 2 roasted potatoes on Sunday ( Super bowl Sunday over here) but other than that, that was the first time we've had any real amounts of starches in a long time. One has to change one's lifestyle. Last night we had roast pork with cauliflower / cheese sauce. I eat oats for breakfast with blueberries & usually salads for lunch.

In fact I just got back from a 15 mile bike ride and I had a toasted brown wheat sandwich with turkey, tomatoes and cheese. I'm off out to do another 15 miles of riding in 1/2 an hour to really give myself a workout today.

Weight this morning down 48lbs from worst level. Still taking metformin but hoping to get off it soon..
 
AndBreathe said:
Aloe - Although Professor Taylor wouldn't give you personal advice on what you should do, he is extremely personable and communicative. If you email him, if you have any specific questions, I'm sure he'll respond. For various reasons a number of us have been in contact with the man.

Do you have his email address, please? Thanks.
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Arab Horse said:
Many thanks, I have just found it. I will email him tomorrow as I would love to reverse my diabetes but not sure if it would be OK to have such a low calorie intake as I have no fat to lose; really need to add some! I now need size 6 jeans, does that make me a "supermodel"" - I wish. Sadly it just makes me thin.
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he may be reluctant to consult over the internet for individual medical advice. even with obese people it doesn't work for about 30%

in my opinion from his lecture....you may need to have a scan/blood tests to see if you are fat on the inside and skinny on the outside..if you don't have a fatty liver and pancreas, I think the ND won't do anything. the purpose is to remove excess gut fat.
 
jack412 said:
he may be reluctant to consult over the internet for individual medical advice. even with obese people it doesn't work for about 30%

in my opinion from his lecture....you may need to have a scan/blood tests to see if you are fat on the inside and skinny on the outside..if you don't have a fatty liver and pancreas, I think the ND won't do anything. the purpose is to remove excess gut fat.
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Absolutely.

Why subject yourself to an unnecessary period of 'starvation' (with the potential long term impact of muscle loss, metabolism slow down and possibly switching on your 'thrifty gene') if you don't have conclusive proof that you have a fatty liver?
 
Brunneria said:
Absolutely.

Why subject yourself to an unnecessary period of 'starvation' (with the potential long term impact of muscle loss, metabolism slow down and possibly switching on your 'thrifty gene') if you don't have conclusive proof that you have a fatty liver?
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you left out gallstones and frequent gallbladder removal..it's not something you enter on a whim..other than the knife, it is almost equivalent to bariatric surgery and the prior and ongoing treatment and management. it is trying to duplicate it as it's possible to do so.
 
jack412 said:
you left out gallstones and frequent gallbladder removal..it's not something you enter on a whim..other than the knife, it is almost equivalent to bariatric surgery and the prior and ongoing treatment and management. it is trying to duplicate it as it's possible to do so.
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I have already had my gall bladder removed. As for sorting out what's next, I'm struggling to control myself and want to cave...am using today to focus on the next three week goal and then I'll take it from there. Not sure if I'll do a Newcastle Diet approach or some other food diet. Does the Low Carb High Fat diet include cheese? Maybe today I'll look at getting a blood sugar meter. I think I'm torn between how to both reduce blood sugar while also sorting out cholesterol, and my personal preferences (ie. protein diet but with fatty cheese, or eating steak, and not portioning)...at present it all seems a bit daft. Quite a bit daft.

I'm frustrated. But still in the game. Talking to people about it. Trying to sort out what to do next.

MM.
 
memememeiii said:
I have already had my gall bladder removed. As for sorting out what's next, I'm struggling to control myself and want to cave...am using today to focus on the next three week goal and then I'll take it from there. Not sure if I'll do a Newcastle Diet approach or some other food diet. Does the Low Carb High Fat diet include cheese? Maybe today I'll look at getting a blood sugar meter. I think I'm torn between how to both reduce blood sugar while also sorting out cholesterol, and my personal preferences (ie. protein diet but with fatty cheese, or eating steak, and not portioning)...at present it all seems a bit daft. Quite a bit daft.

I'm frustrated. But still in the game. Talking to people about it. Trying to sort out what to do next.

MM.
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I was referencing arab horse in my post being a size 6 and probably not suitable.
I think for some people the ND is brilliant, the benefit of a plan that can be dispensed from a dr surgery that is easy to follow, significant weight loss and better BG with the hope of reversal. for a lot of people it is going to turn their life around.

I would encourage you to continue with the ND and over the next 3 weeks work out a diet that you are able to live with for the rest of your life. for me that's LCHF, no other diet makes sense to me that will keep my BG down and be sustainable over the long term.
 
Jack412 "you left out gallstones and frequent gallbladder removal"

Well, at my first appointment with the diabetic nurse when she was looking at my history on the computer she said "I see you you have had your gall bladder removed, when was that as there is no date here?" Well, that was a surprise as I haven't, wonder who has and it went in my notes!!!

I was more thinking of doing the ND for 3 - 4 weeks rather than the whole stretch to see if it made a difference as I obviously don't want to lose much weight but my BMR will be low anyway so the 800 calories won't be so low for me as it would be for someone two or three times my weight.

Any comments/suggestions etc welcome as I really would like to try and be able to tolerate a few carbs occasionally.
 
Arab Horse said:
Jack412 "you left out gallstones and frequent gallbladder removal"

Well, at my first appointment with the diabetic nurse when she was looking at my history on the computer she said "I see you you have had your gall bladder removed, when was that as there is no date here?" Well, that was a surprise as I haven't, wonder who has and it went in my notes!!!

I was more thinking of doing the ND for 3 - 4 weeks rather than the whole stretch to see if it made a difference as I obviously don't want to lose much weight but my BMR will be low anyway so the 800 calories won't be so low for me as it would be for someone two or three times my weight.

Any comments/suggestions etc welcome as I really would like to try and be able to tolerate a few carbs occasionally.
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Reading your posts, my instinct is you're going to do it anyway. I doubt Professor Taylor will give you any personal advice. Why would he, to a stranger he has never met, nor read their medical history. In his shoes, I wouldn't. When I wrote to him, I was careful to position my questions on an impersonal basis. My query to him focused on lipid results.

If you're going to do it, then plan and crack on, but, as suggested, maybe manage your own expectations, bearing in mind how much fat you are likely to still be carrying. If you can persuade your medics to do a liver scan that would be a bonus, but instinct tells me that might not be on the NHS, as they're unlikely to really see the need (to spend their budget). An ultrasound scan wouldn't cost the earth, with an MRI being a bit more. I'd look it up, but our internet is very slow this morning. Spire Hospitals have quite a comprehensive tariff of charges for self-pay patients; that might give you the odd clue.
 
Arab Horse said:
Jack412 "you left out gallstones and frequent gallbladder removal"

Well, at my first appointment with the diabetic nurse when she was looking at my history on the computer she said "I see you you have had your gall bladder removed, when was that as there is no date here?" Well, that was a surprise as I haven't, wonder who has and it went in my notes!!!

I was more thinking of doing the ND for 3 - 4 weeks rather than the whole stretch to see if it made a difference as I obviously don't want to lose much weight but my BMR will be low anyway so the 800 calories won't be so low for me as it would be for someone two or three times my weight.

Any comments/suggestions etc welcome as I really would like to try and be able to tolerate a few carbs occasionally.
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@Arab Horse

You may find reading this about Richard Doughty helpful

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-diabetes-diet-cure

JM
 
And breathe "Reading your posts, my instinct is you're going to do it anyway. "

Living-by-the-beach said:
@Arab Horse

You may find reading this about Richard Doughty helpful

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-diabetes-diet-cure

JM
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Thanks for that, Living-by-the-sea. You have just more or less made up my mind for me. I will make an appointment with my diabetic nurse so she knows what I am doing and discuss it with her. If a few weeks of semi starvation can reverse my diabetes then it is well worth the effort. As I don't have any body fat to lose I think my organ fat should go fairly quickly especially as I do eat a lot (or did).

I am going to the Elvis exhibition at the O2 next week and then have a couple of other things on so will aim to start late next week or the following week. If anyone is interested to see how I get on I will start a thread to let you know how I am progressing and how awful (or otherwise) it is. I am not looking forward to it as I will still have a lot of physical work to do with the horses and I am guessing I may feel week and tired but, wow, if it reversed my diabetes, what a result.
 
Arab Horse said:
And breathe "Reading your posts, my instinct is you're going to do it anyway. "


Thanks for that, Living-by-the-sea. You have just more or less made up my mind for me. I will make an appointment with my diabetic nurse so she knows what I am doing and discuss it with her. If a few weeks of semi starvation can reverse my diabetes then it is well worth the effort. As I don't have any body fat to lose I think my organ fat should go fairly quickly especially as I do eat a lot (or did).

I am going to the Elvis exhibition at the O2 next week and then have a couple of other things on so will aim to start late next week or the following week. If anyone is interested to see how I get on I will start a thread to let you know how I am progressing and how awful (or otherwise) it is. I am not looking forward to it as I will still have a lot of physical work to do with the horses and I am guessing I may feel week and tired but, wow, if it reversed my diabetes, what a result.
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@Arab Horse FWIW, yesterday I cycled 15 miles and went and lifted weights last night. I had wicked neuropathy in my feet. I had oats for breakfast, salad for lunch and chilli con carne for dinner and yesterday evening my neuropathy was spiteful . I read of someone that went on a water only diet for 4 days then ND there after to clear the problem. I have actually lost 46lbs from worst levels & now have a BMI of 25.1. I am confident that I am close to cleaning my liver and pancreas but I clearly more work to do. I may well be joining you in your efforts
 
Living-by-the-beach said:
@Arab Horse FWIW, yesterday I cycled 15 miles and went and lifted weights last night. I had wicked neuropathy in my feet. I had oats for breakfast, salad for lunch and chilli con carne for dinner and yesterday evening my neuropathy was spiteful . I read of someone that went on a water only diet for 4 days then ND there after to clear the problem. I have actually lost 46lbs from worst levels & now have a BMI of 25.1. I am confident that I am close to cleaning my liver and pancreas but I clearly more work to do. I may well be joining you in your efforts
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Apologies for getting your "name" wrong, was thinking I would like to live next to the sea! Gosh, you are fit; I am sure you will do well; do join me, we could keep each other going if the going got tough.

I am going to see my diabetic nurse next Tuesday (earliest appointment I could get although I did say it wasn't urgent) as I thought I should let them know what I was up to. I went and saw her when I took myslf off Januvia (Sitiglyptin) so that she knew and I could cancel my repeat prescription for it. I can't start anyway until the end of next week as I have several thing crammed in next week, it will leave me relatively free after that to concentrate on the diet.
 
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