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Blood Sugar in High 20's and GP not helping, please advise

I'm sorry but my ******** sensors are going off, you mention concern for your weight a few times yet say you only eat porrage and a meal at 5pm, unless these meals are massive I don't see how you can be overweight
 
I don't think it's quite that simple ...... Seen people who eat like a horse and cannot gain weight. Reverse applies as well for any number of reasons.

Just hope she's OK .... she came across to me as genuine.
 
Thank you all for your concern, it's much appreciated.

I called the out of hours GP last week, it was a GP from my own practise. They said nothing other than to follow the GP's advice and double my tablet. I feel I am not getting any help at all. This has put me off going to the hospital, along with the fact I am so frightened of hospitals due to medical negligence. It's a long story and one I do not wish to go into on these forums.

My BG has gone down to the late teens, not ideal I know, but it's going in the right direction. My husband has gone to another surgery to ask about changing GP's, though we are not in their postcode I hope they will accept us all.

I have had a horrible weekend, hence the radio silence and apologise to you all for not posting. I did not feel I could.

I have started reducing my carbs but am stuck, if I'm honest. I have read lots but still not sure how I am going to change my meals and snacks without problems. My whole diet consists of carbs and, if I am hones, I am frightened of being hungery and eating the wrong things. I am alone, apart from my children, from 5.15pm to 1pm the following day, and I don't have a great deal of willpower. That said, I have now stopped smoking for 10 months and 24 days so I can do it, it's just so daunting.

I have found it helpful, being part of a forum and the support it gives. I hope to continue posting (though one of the above posts is not useful) and being an active member. I can't remember when I was diagnosed with type 2, though it was some years ago. I haven't taken it seriously before but this has been a wake up call, I have been so frightened. So am determined to sort it out now, lose the weight, eat properly and excercise. I just don't know how.

Sincere apologies for worrying you xx
 
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scottie1 said:
Thank you all for your concern, it's much appreciated.

I called the out of hours GP last week, it was a GP from my own practise. They said nothing other than to follow the GP's advice and double my tablet. I feel I am not getting any help at all. This has put me off going to the hospital, along with the fact I am so frightened of hospitals due to medical negligence. It's a long story and one I do not wish to go into on these forums.

My BG has gone down to the late teens, not ideal I know, but it's going in the right direction. My husband has gone to another surgery to ask about changing GP's, though we are not in their postcode I hope they will accept us all.

I have had a horrible weekend, hence the radio silence and apologise to you all for not posting. I did not feel I could.

I have started reducing my carbs but am stuck, if I'm honest. I have read lots but still not sure how I am going to change my meals and snacks without problems. My whole diet consists of carbs and, if I am hones, I am frightened of being hungery and eating the wrong things. I am alone, apart from my children, from 5.15pm to 1pm the following day, and I don't have a great deal of willpower. That said, I have now stopped smoking for 10 months and 24 days so I can do it, it's just so daunting.

I have found it helpful, being part of a forum and the support it gives. I hope to continue posting (though one of the above posts is not useful) and being an active member. I can't remember when I was diagnosed with type 2, though it was some years ago. I haven't taken it seriously before but this has been a wake up call, I have been so frightened. So am determined to sort it out now, lose the weight, eat properly and excercise. I just don't know why.

Sincere apologies for worrying you xx
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Hi scottie, so glad your ok::)) we are all in this together here, and by our sharing and caring for one another ...we are never alone! You have the willpower , and all you need is a lchf regime that suits you ::)) please keep posting ,your heading the right way and i think you know its the way to go,
 
britincali said:
I'm sorry but my ******** sensors are going off, you mention concern for your weight a few times yet say you only eat porrage and a meal at 5pm, unless these meals are massive I don't see how you can be overweight
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I am 18 stone 8 - height 5'4" - I eat ( or was eating) corned beef and onion sandwiches for tea with white bread and crisps.
Two sachets of Quaker Oats porrige for lunch/breakfast.

Previously, I have eaten bars of chocolate and crips. My lifestyle, over a large period of time, is the cause of my weightt. I do not excercise at all, I am a couch potatoe if you like, though why I have to explain myself to you I don't know. I came here looking for help, not to be judged and certainly not to be called a liar. I have no reason to lie, if anything, if lying, I would say my weight was less wouldn't I?

I hope this realigns your sensors.
 
scottie1 said:
Thank you all for your concern, it's much appreciated.

I called the out of hours GP last week, it was a GP from my own practise. They said nothing other than to follow the GP's advice and double my tablet. I feel I am not getting any help at all. This has put me off going to the hospital, along with the fact I am so frightened of hospitals due to medical negligence. It's a long story and one I do not wish to go into on these forums.

My BG has gone down to the late teens, not ideal I know, but it's going in the right direction. My husband has gone to another surgery to ask about changing GP's, though we are not in their postcode I hope they will accept us all.

I have had a horrible weekend, hence the radio silence and apologise to you all for not posting. I did not feel I could.

I have started reducing my carbs but am stuck, if I'm honest. I have read lots but still not sure how I am going to change my meals and snacks without problems. My whole diet consists of carbs and, if I am hones, I am frightened of being hungery and eating the wrong things. I am alone, apart from my children, from 5.15pm to 1pm the following day, and I don't have a great deal of willpower. That said, I have now stopped smoking for 10 months and 24 days so I can do it, it's just so daunting.

I have found it helpful, being part of a forum and the support it gives. I hope to continue posting (though one of the above posts is not useful) and being an active member. I can't remember when I was diagnosed with type 2, though it was some years ago. I haven't taken it seriously before but this has been a wake up call, I have been so frightened. So am determined to sort it out now, lose the weight, eat properly and excercise. I just don't know why.

Sincere apologies for worrying you xx
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Glad to see you back Scottie. :):):)
If you have stopped the smoking that shows you DO have WILLPOWER, well done!
I have been trying the low carb and high fat for a couple of week, and I am NOT hungry.
Remember it's one day at a time, start with small steps.

Walking is good, how about a stroll round the block, doesn't have to be far.
Stop the white bread. If you can't stop potatoes, start by cutting down.
One day at a time scottie
Do keep in touch, we have been so worried about you.
Good luck;):)
 
Feel so guilty for being silent, thank you all so very much.

Yes, Clive, I know it's the way to go but it's so scary - changing my whole way of life but I can do it.

Thank you Jack, for those links will have a read later when I have got the children sorted.

Milly, thank you for your kind words. I have now cut out the white bread but not sure how to cut out brown bread. Also, the potatoes - I am determined to cook more (my husband usually does the cooking) but am strugglying to find meals that do not have potatoes in for the whole family? More reading I think. Also, having a walk around the block seems ideal to start with, thank you.
 
scottie1 said:
Feel so guilty for being silent, thank you all so very much.

Yes, Clive, I know it's the way to go but it's so scary - changing my whole way of life but I can do it.

Thank you Jack, for those links will have a read later when I have got the children sorted.

Milly, thank you for your kind words. I have now cut out the white bread but not sure how to cut out brown bread. Also, the potatoes - I am determined to cook more (my husband usually does the cooking) but am strugglying to find meals that do not have potatoes in for the whole family? More reading I think. Also, having a walk around the block seems ideal to start with, thank you.
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Scottie... Just so pleased your ok , make any changes slow but sure and you will do very well, when i started lchf i was 16st7 lbs that was last sept' im now 13st1 lb and it was a revelation , i wondered what i ought to eat but now im lost for choice ! Sausages eggs and mushrooms for breakfast ! Lunch sardines on german rye bread coffee with 2 tablespoons of single cream yum , dinner curried lamb and grated cauliflower( great rice substitute) supper almond "bread " with peanut butter washed down with hot chocolate and single cream..........have i given you a clue ::))
 
Your surgery sounds pretty rubbish to be honest. Given the usual NHS advice to keep eating carbs and upping the meds, you'd think they'd at least be being proactive in that area.
If you have given up smoking, you have the willpower to change this too. I know it is daunting but you weren't born eating such rubbish so you don't have to continue with it. My son has food issues as he is autistic and he's always refusing to try stuff because he doesn't like it. How do any of us know what we like as a baby ? We just try stuff. So you need to just try new foods as a family . If you are type 2 it would make sense to lower the carb intake of your children as there's a genetic component to the illness and having largely given up on the bread , pasta , spuds etc I've found they were the biggest culprits in my weight gain and insulin resistance. So no one has to have spuds with their dinner- if we have a roast we have roast swede now and I may do one potato halved for hubby. Try choosing meals that you can opt out of the carb component - so a big bowl of spag Bol sauce is lovely on shredded lettuce with cheese on top. It is scary but surely not as scary as the effects of high sugars.
 
scottie1 said:
Feel so guilty for being silent, thank you all so very much.

Yes, Clive, I know it's the way to go but it's so scary - changing my whole way of life but I can do it.

Thank you Jack, for those links will have a read later when I have got the children sorted.

Milly, thank you for your kind words. I have now cut out the white bread but not sure how to cut out brown bread. Also, the potatoes - I am determined to cook more (my husband usually does the cooking) but am strugglying to find meals that do not have potatoes in for the whole family? More reading I think. Also, having a walk around the block seems ideal to start with, thank you.
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cook the starch separately..do a stew and then starch in another pot..mix them when you dish up..don't put starch on your plate and add a dob of butter
 
Glad to hear you are feeling better, and as others have said, if you have given up smoking you can give up (or cut down) carbs.

I haven't been as drastic in cutting the carbs as some, but as long as I am careful and keep an eye on my meter I can control my BS. Small steps was my choice, others prefer to go cold turkey and stop the carbs almost entirely, the choice is yours, you know your life style best. I still eat white bread, it doesn't effect me any more than brown as long I am careful on the portion size. Small things can make a difference, thin sliced loaves if you can get them, steer clear of thick or toasting loaves and bread rolls. Pack the filling in deeper, an extra slice of ham, chicken or cheese, or even all three, as well as some salad, and suddenly you end up with a Scooby snack with hardly any bread involved.

If you really want crisps then buy small packs and eat them seperately to your meal, but always check your blood glucose before you start a pack. I find that if I see my BS is still fairly high from my previous meal then it helps convince me to leave the snack in the cupboard.

I am still a chocoholic but buy Green & Blacks 85% now, its 30 pieces in a 100g bar and strong enough that 1 piece is a good chocolate hit, just make sure you only take a single piece not the whole bar, chopping it up in advance can help.

These are just a few ideas that might help, or you might be one that is better just emptying the cupboards of anything with carbs in, only you know, I can only say what worked for me.

I hope you get yourself sorted with out having to resort to hospital as it obviously has bad associations for you.
 
How often should I take my bloods? Never been given advice about this so testing all day,

Thank you Ruth, I'm trying to work out some meal planning, I will have to start next week as shopping done for this week.. But at least if I know what I'm going to eat I can buy accordingly. I can do without crisps. Are wraps better than bread? Or those sandwich thins?

Also, is there a minimum amount of carbs I should eat?
 
scottie1 said:
I am 18 stone 8 - height 5'4" - I eat ( or was eating) corned beef and onion sandwiches for tea with white bread and crisps.
Two sachets of Quaker Oats porrige for lunch/breakfast.

Previously, I have eaten bars of chocolate and crips. My lifestyle, over a large period of time, is the cause of my weightt. I do not excercise at all, I am a couch potatoe if you like, though why I have to explain myself to you I don't know. I came here looking for help, not to be judged and certainly not to be called a liar. I have no reason to lie, if anything, if lying, I would say my weight was less wouldn't I?

I hope this realigns your sensors.
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I wouldn't want to presume I know anyone's thought, but many people who have weight issues honestly have absolutely no idea why. Indeed, they don't recognise what they eat. I watched a tv programme some weeks ago now, by accident, which documented an overweight family who said they didn't over eat, snack or drink sugary drinks. Only when they saw secret cameras of themselves devouring mega bags of crisps washed down with coke and late night takeaways did they recognise that snacking as food. It was all incredibly bizarre, but their body language of surprise looked real enough to me, and I'm usually pretty good on body language.

We all have wake up call when we get here. What matters is how we answer it. Changing your family's eating patterns could help you all out in the long run. I know you say you carry some weight; do any of the others?

As Jack says, there is a period of adjustment that can be uncomfortable, but it's worth it to see the lower bloods and feel the looser clothes. Stick with it.
 
You should test your blood on waking up ( fasting test) then before meals and two hours after. Ideally the rise after food should be no more than 2mmol/l but we don't always hit that. Some folk will test at 1hr too after food to see what effect it is having. I'm tagging @daisy1 so she'll post the welcome guidelines for newbies on here as that has lots of info you'll find useful on testing.
Wraps are usually pretty big and carb heavy though you can but low carb ones online. Try something like Hovis seed sensation or Burgen soya and linseed - these are lower in carbs and filling. Tbh most of us can't manage two slices of even this sort of bread so you aren't going to be eating sandwiches as you know it. An open sandwich with lots of salad and cheese or tuna mayo is much better. Personally I found it easier to go cold turkey as give me carbs and I want more. I have struggled to lose weight all my life and still can't believe I'm losing weight without the tears. Do give it a try. You've nothing to lose and everything to gain. X
 
AndBreathe said:
I wouldn't want to presume I know anyone's thought, but many people who have weight issues honestly have absolutely no idea why. Indeed, they don't recognise what they eat. I watched a tv programme some weeks ago now, by accident, which documented an overweight family who said they didn't over eat, snack or drink sugary drinks. Only when they saw secret cameras of themselves devouring mega bags of crisps washed down with coke and late night takeaways did they recognise that snacking as food. It was all incredibly bizarre, but their body language of surprise looked real enough to me, and I'm usually pretty good on body language.

We all have wake up call when we get here. What matters is how we answer it. Changing your family's eating patterns could help you all out in the long run. I know you say you carry some weight; do any of the others?

As Jack says, there is a period of adjustment that can be uncomfortable, but it's worth it to see the lower bloods and feel the looser clothes. Stick with it.
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Yes, my 15 year-old is overweight. So that needs addressing rather soon. He does eat a lot of chocolate and crisps though, and like me he does not excercise. He buys the chocolate and crisps from his own money, we do not buy them for him.
 
Scottie, It looks like we are all bombarding you doesn't it. :singing:
We are just thinking of you and trying to be helpful.
Walk / strolling.
I am type 2, a little asthmatics, arthritic. Fell on some black ice the other week ( silly sue ) so knees still sore.
Have left the best bit to the last, I am just over 12 stone ( working hard on that )but now for it:
Drum roll please!!!!! I am 64.

Get to the point Milly. As long as is not ice out Sandy our 11 year old dog and I go for a stroll every day. So could you. Go for a short stroll when children are out, then come home and pamper yourself with a nice bubble bath. Your be amazed how good you feel after. :)
 
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Hello Scottie. Welcome back! You have had some good advice from members above and here is some more which we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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