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Why are you all so convinced carbs are the problem?

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I am a T1 diabetic and i will never be cured of these disease but i have made great strides in my control over my time with T1 (23yrs). I am however really puzzled by your hatred of carbs. I know from my own experience that when i ate a standard diet my insulin to carb ratio was about 7/8c to 1unit. When i went plant based about 6yrs ago (for ethical reasons) my insulin sensitivity shot up to about 15/20c to 1unit. Over recent weeks i have adopted a plant based whole food diet and my sensitivity is now near 40c to 1 and rising all the time!

I am now convinced, on the back of some pretty compelling evidence that fat is the real culprit in diabetes so why target carbs? I am eating about 600 carbs a day, all plant based and mostly whole foods and i need to take less units than ever!

So, what has led you to the belief low carb is a solution to diabetes? As far as i know T2 is a condition of lack of sensitivity to insulin so why would making you more resistant to insulin be a positive?

I just want to see you T2s out there healthier and happier and i think you might just have it the wrong way around, discuss.
 
If I eat any carbs, just a small slice of bread, a small portion of porridge, small serving potatoes, my BG goes sky high. If I eat a carb free meal that is high in fat my BG hardly moves.
What would you gather from that? ;)
 
You are eating 600g of carbs a day?

As a T2 the reason I eat less than 50g of carbs is day is because I am insulin resistant as you rightly say. The less carbs I eat, the less insulin my body produces, so I lose weight more easily.
 
Mmm I was vegetarian for a few years at that time I wasn't diabetic but I was much younger and certainly I was insulin resistant and had the belly to prove it. And I ate vegtables, not just bread and cheese. Having said that, I think a plant based diet is not contrary to a low carb diet. I eat fats, but I dont stuff myself with it. And avocado, nuts, olive oil, are all fats... Wheat is the worst of all the offenders for me.
 
If I eat a lot of carbs, my BG is high. By experiment the only way to keep my BG down is to cut back on the carbs!
By increasing fats in my diet, the only side effect is I feel less hungry!
 
Yes I agree - wheat is the worst offender for me too.
 
@Klang180 I notice you started a similar thread a year ago. As I said back then as a T2 not on medication the only thing I can do to reduce my BG's is reduce carbs. Why not target carbs if it works?
 
Even with a T1 like me... Lower carbs for me certainly means less error for bolus's and less insulin. Not only thst when I do have more csrbs for one off occasions I have to give increased basal rates otherwise my ratios between basal and bolus go out of sync.

If your bolus has changed so much have your basals increased too.

I don't think you can dispute that higher carbs for type 2's isn't goodfor all.

Even us T1's have differencesin qtys that we give ourselves of insulin. One size does not fit all...
 
600 carbs a day?? How on earth do you manage that?
 
Zand you are right i did make a post a year ago about the same thing. The thing is you say it works but you are all sacrificing your long term health for the sake of lower HBA1C and body weight. The amount of fat you guys are eating will put you at a much higher risk of CVD, stroke and some cancers too. Yes of course your BGs shoot up when you have a little carb now because you are so insulin resistant as a result of LCHF diet that you cannot take any carbs at all but that is a choice.

If you don't eat fibre, phytonutrients and other micro-nutrients you will not have a healthy life and study after study has proven that diabetes can be reversed with a whole food plant based diet. I am just really concerned for you all, it is scary what you are doing to yourselves!
 
When I eat carbs, they turn into simple sugars which are released into my blood sugar. If my cells do not use the energy then it is taken to my major organs and stored as fat around them.
http://www.dietdoctor.com/science
 
Klang180 said:
I am a T1 diabetic and i will never be cured of these disease but i have made great strides in my control over my time with T1 (23yrs). I am however really puzzled by your hatred of carbs. I know from my own experience that when i ate a standard diet my insulin to carb ratio was about 7/8c to 1unit. When i went plant based about 6yrs ago (for ethical reasons) my insulin sensitivity shot up to about 15/20c to 1unit. Over recent weeks i have adopted a plant based whole food diet and my sensitivity is now near 40c to 1 and rising all the time!

I am now convinced, on the back of some pretty compelling evidence that fat is the real culprit in diabetes so why target carbs? I am eating about 600 carbs a day, all plant based and mostly whole foods and i need to take less units than ever!

So, what has led you to the belief low carb is a solution to diabetes? As far as i know T2 is a condition of lack of sensitivity to insulin so why would making you more resistant to insulin be a positive?

I just want to see you T2s out there healthier and happier and i think you might just have it the wrong way around, discuss.
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Oh sweetie :D We don't have a hatred of carbs...... can't imagine what gave you that idea o_O
We do generally have a dislike of manufactured foods, containing rubbish.
A few of which are fats, like palm oil, which clog up the beta cells.
High sugar drinks and carb laden junk food, which turn to fat, then clog up the liver.
All made by big business who have no care for the damage they're doing to people's health......
Whose only concern is making money.
And, do you know what...... we don't even hate those people, pity them and their greed yes, but never hate :D
 
I had twin carbs once but I was young and carefree then ..... and petrol was dead cheap.
 
Klang180 said:
I am a T1 diabetic and i will never be cured of these disease but i have made great strides in my control over my time with T1 (23yrs). I am however really puzzled by your hatred of carbs. I know from my own experience that when i ate a standard diet my insulin to carb ratio was about 7/8c to 1unit. When i went plant based about 6yrs ago (for ethical reasons) my insulin sensitivity shot up to about 15/20c to 1unit. Over recent weeks i have adopted a plant based whole food diet and my sensitivity is now near 40c to 1 and rising all the time!

I am now convinced, on the back of some pretty compelling evidence that fat is the real culprit in diabetes so why target carbs? I am eating about 600 carbs a day, all plant based and mostly whole foods and i need to take less units than ever!

So, what has led you to the belief low carb is a solution to diabetes? As far as i know T2 is a condition of lack of sensitivity to insulin so why would making you more resistant to insulin be a positive?

I just want to see you T2s out there healthier and happier and i think you might just have it the wrong way around, discuss.
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thnx 4 the concern,,,,i read this site and tried lo carb and me sugars went from 30 to 5 or 6 so ill stay with lo carb
 
Klang180 said:
Zand you are right i did make a post a year ago about the same thing. The thing is you say it works but you are all sacrificing your long term health for the sake of lower HBA1C and body weight. The amount of fat you guys are eating will put you at a much higher risk of CVD, stroke and some cancers too. Yes of course your BGs shoot up when you have a little carb now because you are so insulin resistant as a result of LCHF diet that you cannot take any carbs at all but that is a choice.

If you don't eat fibre, phytonutrients and other micro-nutrients you will not have a healthy life and study after study has proven that diabetes can be reversed with a whole food plant based diet. I am just really concerned for you all, it is scary what you are doing to yourselves!
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As a lower carber for 90% + of my 50+years and no complications and remaining a size 8 / 10.. Well I believe that I am a ling term 30+ T1 of how well lower carbing does work....

I think you have forgotten that medicine, diets etc are all in their infancy... Science hasn't got all the answers and certainly we are all individuals.

None of us live forever, some people have had chronic problems from actually being obese and those problems have reduced or disappeared from them reducing carbs and possibly raising their fats.

We are all still guinea pigs...
 
Carbs are poison to me and so is sugar, glucose, glucagon.

The effect they have on me is worse. I spike very quickly, I flush insulin and go hypo after about 4 hours.

I do very, very low carb, I am in control, I do not spike. I do not hypo. I am well! I have lost weight and fitter than I have been for some long time.

I can't understand why you would want to poison your body with carbs, because in the end I will be fitter and healthier than you will be in 5 - 10 years time.
 
Klang180 said:
Zand you are right i did make a post a year ago about the same thing. The thing is you say it works but you are all sacrificing your long term health for the sake of lower HBA1C and body weight. The amount of fat you guys are eating will put you at a much higher risk of CVD, stroke and some cancers too. Yes of course your BGs shoot up when you have a little carb now because you are so insulin resistant as a result of LCHF diet that you cannot take any carbs at all but that is a choice.

If you don't eat fibre, phytonutrients and other micro-nutrients you will not have a healthy life and study after study has proven that diabetes can be reversed with a whole food plant based diet. I am just really concerned for you all, it is scary what you are doing to yourselves!
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Who says I don't eat fibre? My carbs consist of vegetables - fibre. Don't worry about what I'm doing to myself. I'm rather worried about you and your 600g carbs a day.

How do you know how much fat I am eating?
 
Dibbles1 said:
Oh sweetie :D We don't have a hatred of carbs...... can't imagine what gave you that idea o_O
We do generally have a dislike of manufactured foods, containing rubbish.
A few of which are fats, like palm oil, which clog up the beta cells.
High sugar drinks and carb laden junk food, which turn to fat, then clog up the liver.
All made by big business who have no care for the damage they're doing to people's health......
Whose only concern is making money.
And, do you know what...... we don't even hate those people, pity them and their greed yes, but never hate :D
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Exactly...
 
I am really not attacking you in any way i promise and i am not playing the blame game. I believe we are all put in an environment of super stimuli foods that have promoted many of the health problems we have today.

I really want to help and i really think high fat is not the solution and want to know where you all gleaned this information from? Both the 7th day adventist study and the EPIC study both showed that the more animal products you ate (and thus more saturated fat) the higher the prevelence of T2 diabetes. If you look at Dr Barnard's work, Dr McDougal, Dr Ornish, Dr Furhman and many others they are proving with their patients that they can reverse T2 diabetes. I don't have that luxury but i don't understand why you won't give it a shot? Surely anything is better than diabetes and pills the rest of your lives!

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/lifestyle-medicine-is-the-standard-of-care-for-prediabetes/
 
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